Sara Morrison v BFF Thread 3

[SexRealistic]

For background please read here:

https://genderblog.net/sara-morrison-v-belfast-film-festival/

Also Dr in this from 2002 (p138).

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7c4a1e40f0b62dffde11a2/PublicBodies2002.pdf

I'm not sure I agree with that.

She is misrepresenting her qualifications. She self styles as a Professor with no education past 16 years old. She is called Professor by those seated before her. It is a well know term that has meaning.

She knew she wasn't a Professor while sitting in front of a big laiminated sign with Professor on it. Not former visiting professor circa 2004 or Professor emeritus. PROFESSOR.

She is supposed to act with integrity. It is misrepresentation.

How the Panel can say their behaviour is above reproach in this matter is a question that needs answering.

Key thing for me in all this
is that we had ALL assumed that Tribunal Lay members were properly vetted and trained
as they have rather a large impact on people's lives

(see Forstater's original case)

Now we KNOW that Lay members
may not be who they say they are
and
may actually have undeclared connections to cases on which they sit
(trans inclusive Union policies for example)

SO
What happens next ?

Can you link me to that document? I'd love to double check it.

😮😮😮😮

OK so....

According to this document, the Trade Union Side of the Whitley compiled and proposed a survey on the draft Trans policy and took it to the group who helped tweak it and then they all agreed to send it out. M.Mckeown is listed as in this role and having attended boards and meetings.

At this meeting they also proposed to push for gender neutral.kangiage at every opportunity (paraphrasing).

I suspect that anyone who was ever on the losing side of a ruling by a tribunal that included Boyd will want to bring the system into disrepute and will gladly see her charged in order to do that. It really is a stinking foetid mess. How long before it starts being reported on outside of MN?

It might just be because I’m on my phone rather than on my computer but I tried searching for previous judgements by the panel and EJ with separately or collectively. The first time I entered Sturgeon’s name a sex discrimination case came up that had been dismissed. The second time I searched under her name I got ‘no records found’

Which is either human error (me) or something well dodge.

anyway, if anyone has the time here is the link:

https://oitfet.employmenttribunalsni.co.uk/DecisionSearch.aspx

Does anyone else keep reading UU as Unseen University?

I'm glad that people disagree with me about Boyd possibly getting away with using Professor in a Tribunal setting.
Perhaps there might be some repercussions after all. Fingers crossed.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=nipsa.org.uk/publications/AR2016.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiwtY-f5_aQAxXMT0EAHdC3GNM4ChAWegQIOhAB&usg=AOvVaw35zUyRJDHGMybRaADHjrfS

It was somehwere upthread.
I'm struggling with posting links so for insurance in text:
h t t ps
archive.niassembly.gov.uk/researchandlibrary/deposited_papers/2011/dp829.pdf

archive.niassembly.gov.uk/researchandlibrary/deposited_papers/2011/dp829.pdf

@SexRealistic

In 2018 M Mckeown attended in/on the Executive Committee meetings and they again supported the NIPSA return to the Trans Policy draft and :

Gender Neutral Toilet Facilities: The
Committee considered the terms of Motion
No 83, which was remitted at the 2018 Annual
Delegate Conference, which called for the intro-
duction of gender-neutral toilet facilities in all
Government buildings. In furtherance of the
aims of the motion work had commenced on
examining guidance produced by GenderJam,
Sail, Youthnet and other areas of best practice
with a view to producing a paper for considera-
tion by the General Council.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=nipsa.org.uk/publications/AR2018.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiz-bL76PaQAxV1XUEAHXwKNXo4MhAWegQIMhAB&usg=AOvVaw2JP0IUAXngnuI7m_kBwDLC

So in 2010, according to the Belfast Telegraph article quoted upthread, 'Debbie Boyd' explained that when I was 16 I left school. Back then you left school and went to work for Ulster Carpet Mills, which was what I did. There was no need for university.
I thought I would like jobs doing administration in the civil service or working in the post office but they bored me.

She continues that after marrying at 19 and living/working in Amsterdam and Singapore, she and husband Trevor came back to NI.

She got a receptionist job with Cleanaway and I was with the company for 10 years. [Thanks to what she says were her ideas for how to restructure the business] we went from having zero exports to 95% of the business being exports; from a £400k turnover to one of £20m. However, the company wasn't mine. I wasn't part of the Murphy family and they didn't have the same vision as I did.
I left my job in 1992 but worked for Cleanway as a consultant for four years and then moved on to other consultancy work.

That takes us to roughly 1996. At some point she and Trevor set up Re3: since 2006 we've been developing an autoclave treatment for industrial waste that is incredibly effective

If it's indeed the same person who appears in 2002 as 'Dr Deborah Boyd' on a government document as Chair of the Waste Management Advisory Board, she was certainly being extremely modest about her achievements and abilities in that Belfast Telegraph article <checks notes> eight years later….

Can it really be the same person? My jaw is genuinely hanging here. Great work finding that 2002 document, @ReadingTeaLeaves

BINGO

where can I donate money to or can I PM you to send flowers 💐

Yes I’ve been across the AR 16/17/18

McKeown is there and voting.

As users have said you can be in a Union and be fair and impartial.

It’s a question of whether he is biased - ie he is actively campaigning/ proposing / drafting unlawful policy (with the NIPSA endorsed policy is)

Yes that’s the summary.

And she was sitting on the panel of a place where we seek justice.

I want to be judged by someone with integrity. And I want that for Sara.

I would have thought £500 a day is going to have a serious impact on who you can recruit.

If you are a business owner, then either your business can spare you for the days you are doing the tribunal, or £500 pays better than you can make from your own business.

When I looked at doing tribunals I didn't apply because frankly it was a pay cut from what I can make doing my real job.

So you are going to end up with the Professor Boyds of this world who are prestige hunters, and not making enough out of their networking businesses.

There is a big difference between introducing yourself as professor in the pub and using it in places where it gives you claims to authority and expertise.

Misrepresentation if you use it in a context where a professor's opinion might carry extra weight - IIRC she used it to give evidence to Parliament so presenting herself as an academic expert who has conducted research on the subject of sufficient quality to earn a doctorate, be published in specialist publications and be awarded a professorship.

Using it to hear legal cases appears also to be misrepresentation as it gives her more authority than Deborah with 8 O-levels and X years in industry.

Yeah that website is very clunky and keeps bringing up random different results / freezing.

I'm going through docs. Haven't come across the Prof yet...

I can’t be 100% certain it is the same [Dr] Deborah Boyd Chairing the Waste Management Advisory Board in 2002. But it’s a wild coincidence if not (and I am sure any other Deborah Boyd’s in this sector would have been identified on these threads by now if that were the case).

But setting yourself up as something you're not and giving the impression you have earned something you haven't is not on.

so relevant, in so many ways

£500 a day works out at £100,000 per year (on the basis of 200 working days)

Which is more than 80% of the population earn.

If you're browing decisions, most of them won't even have a panel. The cases that get withdrawn or settled before hearing still need an EJ to sign off that the case is closed. Notoriously lawyers will message on Friday afternoon to say that the hearing next Monday isn't happening, and then whichever EJ is in the building on Monday will get a whole rake of these decisions to sign off.

For panel members to appear, you'll need a case that went to hearing, and even then it's not going to mention the panel members beyond the initial blurb. Most of the decision will be along the lines of "Mr X testified that Ms Y did Z example of misconduct, but the panel found this evidence unconvincing".

Agree, but we're talking about a woman who has been very successful, involved in multiple companies and earned the first company that employed her in admin 20 million.