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Hayden v Heath (LegalGengar) 21st November

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IDareSay · 11/11/2025 09:30

The applications in Hayden v Heath will be heard at 10:30 on 21 November. Anyone wishing to support LegalGengar can observe using the Court Video Platform and the instructions are on the attached notice. Please ensure that your camera and mic are off. Tap on the notice to open.

https://x.com/CharlesTerf/status/1987897057038983309?s=20

Many women here will be aware of Hayden and his legal cases.

Charles Terf 🦖💜🤍💚🏴‍☠️ (@CharlesTerf) on X

The applications in Hayden v Heath will be heard at 10:30 on 21 November. Anyone wishing to support @LegalGengar can observe using the Court Video Platform and the instructions are on the attached notice. Please ensure that your camera and mic are off...

https://x.com/CharlesTerf/status/1987897057038983309?s=20

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miuri · 11/11/2025 09:40

another one? What are they using the court system for now?

Peregrina · 11/11/2025 10:49

What is this case about?

ThreeWordHarpy · 11/11/2025 11:00

Peregrina · 11/11/2025 10:49

What is this case about?

Legalgengar is a “citizen journalist” who has written quite a bit about Stephanie Hayden. Hayden is a transwoman who is extremely litigious, and has in the past taken MN to court to force HQ to reveal the identity of a registered user.

More I will not say due to the noted litigiousness but a perusal of legalgengar’s X should give more.

IDareSay · 12/11/2025 18:26

https://x.com/legalgengar/status/1988633208267661798?s=46&t=tGndANTCcSFoV6PaqNg6qA

“An update on this: the High Court have agreed that the hearing will be held remotely. However, it will be now be held on Microsoft Teams.

Once we have the link, my legal team and I will share it with those who wish to attend. The usual warning will apply about recording it, etc.”

Legal Gengar 🏳️‍🌈🎗️ (@LegalGengar) on X

An update on this: the High Court have agreed that the hearing will be held remotely. However, it will be now be held on Microsoft Teams. Once we have the link, my legal team and I will share it with those who wish to attend. The usual warning will ap...

https://x.com/legalgengar/status/1988633208267661798?s=46&t=tGndANTCcSFoV6PaqNg6qA

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Llamasarellovely · 12/11/2025 18:48

Ooh he's instructed Simon Myerson, who is a very good silk.
<rubs hands>

IDareSay · 21/11/2025 08:28

Live this morning Hayden v Heath at 10:30.

There is a teams link on the X account of LegalGengar's solicitor CharlesTerf (put an @ in front for their Twix handles). He says "As far as I am aware you simply need to join but I suggest you do so at least 5 mins in advance of the hearing."

I'm copying it here but not sure if it will work so go to X for the link if not:

https://teams.microsoft.com/dl/launcher/launcher.html?url=%2F_%23%2Fl%2Fmeetup-join%2F19%3Ameeting_Y2QwY2Y5ZjYtZDk2ZC00NmE3LWI5ODctOThmZTJmZGVlYjkz%40thread.v2%2F0%3Fcontext%3D%257b%2522Tid%2522%253a%2522723e4557-2f17-43ed-9e71-f1beb253e546%2522%252c%2522Oid%2522%253a%25229e0a47a0-a987-44f8-b51c-d3ddb7440f5d%2522%257d%26anon%3Dtrue&type=meetup-join&deeplinkId=7f2d35cc-35f2-48b8-a9e1-b706b915a256&directDl=true&msLaunch=true&enableMobilePage=true&suppressPrompt=true

You can view in a browser or use the app. Don't forget to turn off your camera and mute your microphone!

Join conversation

https://teams.microsoft.com/dl/launcher/launcher.html?deeplinkId=7f2d35cc-35f2-48b8-a9e1-b706b915a256&directDl=true&enableMobilePage=true&msLaunch=true&suppressPrompt=true&type=meetup-join&url=%2F_%23%2Fl%2Fmeetup-join%2F19%3Ameeting_Y2QwY2Y5ZjYtZDk2ZC00NmE3LWI5ODctOThmZTJmZGVlYjkz%40thread.v2%2F0%3Fcontext%3D%257b%2522Tid%2522%253a%2522723e4557-2f17-43ed-9e71-f1beb253e546%2522%252c%2522Oid%2522%253a%25229e0a47a0-a987-44f8-b51c-d3ddb7440f5d%2522%257d%26anon%3Dtrue

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PoshCoffee · 21/11/2025 10:32

I’m struggling to make the Teams link work. Anyone managed to get in?

ProfessorEmeritaVeraAtkins · 21/11/2025 10:43

I'm waiting to be let in.

dick27 · 21/11/2025 10:49

I'm in but no sound?

ProfessorEmeritaVeraAtkins · 21/11/2025 10:50

I give up

IDareSay · 21/11/2025 11:08

I know some people have managed to get in, sadly I have not. Hope we will get a full update in due course.

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Spiracles · 21/11/2025 11:12

I'm not watching, just wanted to say Good Luck to LegalGengar!!

#🍀

IDareSay · 21/11/2025 14:31

"I was substantively successful at the High Court today. The applications against me were withdrawn in full, and rightly so because they were doomed to fail. The High Court found that the claims against me were defective in all three areas (defamation, harassment, and GDPR) and must be substantially amended to fix the defects. If the defects are not fixed, I reserve the right to revive my application again and get the claims against me struck out (so the claims come to an end). The next hearing will be on 16 March 2026 and legal costs have been reserved until then. I anticipate being successful in obtaining my legal costs to date."

"I am sorry that some people couldn’t get in or were kicked out. There was a very high level of public interest in the case and I believe at one point there were over 50 observers."

https://x.com/LegalGengar/status/1991868796684915079?s=20

Legal Gengar 🏳️‍🌈🎗️ (@LegalGengar) on X

I was substantively successful at the High Court today. The applications against me were withdrawn in full, and rightly so because they were doomed to fail. The High Court found that the claims against me were defective in all three areas (defamation,...

https://x.com/LegalGengar/status/1991868796684915079?s=20

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Spiracles · 21/11/2025 15:36

Great news!! (I think?)

MyrtleLion · 21/11/2025 15:41

This

From @CF_Farrow Caroline Farrow

THREAD: Hayden v Heath — Hearing Summary (21 Nov 2025)

1/
Just finished listening to the Hayden v Heath hearing before Master Sullivan in the High Court’s Media & Communications List.
Here’s what actually happened

2/The headline: the claim was found defective across all three causes of action. The judge accepted that defamation, harassment and GDPR are all improperly pleaded and must be rewritten.

3/
Defamation:
The judge held Hayden has NOT complied with the practice directions. You can’t annex whole articles and say “the full nine yards” are defamatory. You must identify the specific words complained of. That hasn’t been done.

4/
The Master accepted the Defendant’s point: Hayden must now highlight the exact passages within each article + set out the meanings he says they convey. Without this, a defendant cannot plead a defence. So defamation must be rewritten.

5/
Harassment:
The Master said the current pleading does not meet the legal threshold of conduct that is “serious, unacceptable and oppressive.” As drafted, it simply isn't harassment in law. This was the harshest finding.

6/
Hayden wants to rely on “harassment by proxy” via KiwiFarms. The judge said: if that’s his case, he must plead the actual course of conduct, the specific posts relied on, and how the Defendant supposedly encouraged others. None of that is pleaded.

7/
GDPR:
Again defective. The judge said the pleading doesn’t make clear:
• what personal data is in issue
• what “processing” is complained of
• why it’s unlawful
She also noted that accurate reporting of court proceedings isn’t a GDPR breach.

8/
Pre-Action Protocol:
Hayden refused to engage because he feared letters would be posted on X/KiwiFarms. The Master said she understood the concern, BUT it doesn’t make the defence conduct “abusive” or justify ignoring the PAP.

9/
The Master is giving Hayden one opportunity to remedy the defects. This is common on a first strike-out for LiPs, but it came with clear warnings. He must now properly plead every part of his case.

10/
Hayden must now:
✔️Identify the exact defamatory words
✔️Set out the meanings
✔️Clarify the GDPR claim
✔️Re-plead harassment properly (if he can)
✔️Comply with PD53B

This is a substantial amount of rewriting.

11/
Timetable:
• Hayden amends the claim
• By 30 Jan, Heath must say whether he’ll:
– restore the strike-out/SJ application, or
– serve a defence
• Defence (if any) due by 20 Feb
• CMC on 16 March, in person
• Costs reserved

12/
A notable moment: Heath's KC suggested that Hayden apply to the Advocate pro bono scheme for professional legal help. The Master agreed it “would be good” if he were accepted. That says a lot about the state of the pleadings.

13/
Bottom line:
The court held the current claim is defective.
• Defamation needs full re-pleading
• Harassment (as drafted) is below threshold
• GDPR is unclear
• Hayden must fix everything
• Heath may renew strike-out/SJ in the new year
• Costs still to come

14/
Nothing final on liability today. But the rulings were far from any “victory” narrative. The claim must now be rebuilt from the ground up, and whether it survives the next round is far from guaranteed.

15/
Costs:
No ruling today — they were reserved to the March CMC. But since every limb of the claim was found defective and Hayden now has to amend the entire pleading, the usual position is that the claimant pays the costs of the application that exposed those defects.

"My car has survived a crash because the VIN number is still legible." 🎉😂

happydappy2 · 21/11/2025 16:03

thank you for this update. I believe SH owes quite a lot in costs from previous cases but pleads poverty......they continually use the courts maliciously-as well as often frequenting single sex spaces reserved for women and girls & posting about their activities on x-they are a menace

Spiracles · 21/11/2025 16:09

Ha ha ha:

Stephanie Hayden

@flyinglawyer73

For those wondering how the hearing in Hayden v Heath went this morning, whilst there needs to be some amendments to correct technical deficiencies with the pleadings, the claim survives in full. Treat any reports to the contrary with caution

Stephanie Hayden (@flyinglawyer73) on X

Discussing the monarchy, politics, parliamentary affairs, and constitutional law. Lawyer.

https://x.com/flyinglawyer73

KittyWilkinson · 21/11/2025 16:09

Hayden is hardly Rumpole of the Bailey. Despite all the legal bluster, he couldn't put his claim together properly.
Sad Times.

KittyWilkinson · 21/11/2025 16:10

That filter is doing some heavy lifting. He looks nothing like that in real life.

Spiracles · 21/11/2025 16:10

Over on BlueHair, Lynsay is frothing 😆

SEEN Police Official Open Public Network
‪@seenpoliceuk.bsky.social‬

A trans woman has been subjected to appalling targeted harassment and deadnaming today by a number of bigots who repeatedly targeted her previously. This occurred during the lead-in to and during the actual judicial proceedings (uk) This isn’t acceptable and we’ll deal with it.
21 Nov 2025, 14:16

SEEN Police Official Open Public Network (@seenpoliceuk.bsky.social)

This profile requires authentication to view.

https://bsky.app/profile/seenpoliceuk.bsky.social

potpourree · 21/11/2025 16:15

Is Hayden still trying this stuff? It's hilarious to watch (but obviously less hilarious to those on the receiving ends of the 'attempts').

Brainworm · 21/11/2025 17:16

Spiracles · 21/11/2025 16:10

Over on BlueHair, Lynsay is frothing 😆

SEEN Police Official Open Public Network
‪@seenpoliceuk.bsky.social‬

A trans woman has been subjected to appalling targeted harassment and deadnaming today by a number of bigots who repeatedly targeted her previously. This occurred during the lead-in to and during the actual judicial proceedings (uk) This isn’t acceptable and we’ll deal with it.
21 Nov 2025, 14:16

I can’t view this as I’m not on Bluesky but I’m interested who Lynsay has in mind when referring to ‘we’. Does he think readers will think he is speaking for the police and considers himself to still work for the police?

JaquelineHide · 21/11/2025 17:19

Lynsay likes to kid on that the SEEN account he runs is several people. It's clearly just him.

Spiracles · 21/11/2025 17:20

Brainworm · 21/11/2025 17:16

I can’t view this as I’m not on Bluesky but I’m interested who Lynsay has in mind when referring to ‘we’. Does he think readers will think he is speaking for the police and considers himself to still work for the police?

He always calls himself "we". To pretend that he and his laptop are an army of volunteers.