German Police Officer being taken to court for "faking trans identity"

[Brefugee]

Just heard it on the news, so no further information as yet (will do some digging) but this is potentially explosive, or potentially really going to be depressing.

A police officer in Düsseldorf has changed his gender ID (we have self ID laws here) to female in order to be elligible for a promotion only available to female officers. (presumably only available to female officers for balance in the upper echelons).

He has also declared that when he gets married he will change his gender ID marker back to male. This is in line with our laws where that is possible, i think there is some time restriction on it, but theoretically you can change pretty much at will.

The police as an organisation are accusing the officer of using the self ID laws nefariously and it is going to court.

ETA: have checked and it is true. s/he was [i am in Germany, the law is clear on what i have to say] telling colleagues openly that after promotion they would be changing back to male before getting married.

The police are, of course, being accused of Queerphobia.

Is it on BBC?

Ooh, interesting! Thanks for telling us @Brefugee Whatever the outcome, one good thing is that if the case is going to court then this is going to play out in the public domain. I don't get impression that the German public was aware of all the implications of self-id when they brought it in. The public will start getting the idea now.

Better late than never.

Well, that will be interesting.

As I recall people can change their gender market after 12 months, as often as they like.

Is there anything in the wording of the legislation about intention or purpose in changing gender marker? I doubt it.

If he's doing everything by the letter of the law, I can't see how the case against him can succeed.

Doesn’t trans literally mean fake though? Transwoman = fake woman.

The idea of 'faking' an self-identity, an unfalsifiable concept, is hilarious. Governments like those of Germany require the reality of their ridiculous, unsustainable legislation to be shown for what it is, so well done that officer.

I am just so sorry for those living within such legislation and fervently thank all the vocal clever women for their work keeping things saner on Terf Island.

no idea, I'm in Germany and i wanted to get that down quickly so i don't forget.
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Thanks for posting OP. I doubt any UK papers will report on it but hopefully the German ones do so it's recorded for posterity at the very least.

I, too, do not believe the police can or will win this case. If it ever gets to court.

Most people here are just living their lives. There is a large element of "be kind" but day to day?

I don't get out that much, but there was a transwoman at a gig in a local pub the other day. Very much looked like a man in a wig and a frock with a bit of lippy. As i heard several people whisper. Sitting alone with a large space around them. It was a bit sad, tbh, because clearly it wasn't comfortable for anyone.

No. Trans means across. As in transmission, trans-continental, transubstantiation, transformation, transaction etc etc

Will it be possible for you to follow this case, or will there be a complete media blackout?

I would also predict that it's a non starter. Make a ridiculous law that invites piss taking and the piss takers will come.

If the laws allow people to do this, what's the issue?

If there's some other criterion required for someone to be trans, this needs explicitly stating (to cries of "medicalisation" and "gatekeeping") and being part of the legal requirements.

If not, he's acting entirely lawfully.

This is the consequences of everyone imagining their own meaning of words. Exactly what everyone with two brain cells to rub together has said would happen for at least the past decade.

Fair play to him. He is allowed to do that, most people wouldn’t have the balls to pretend they had removable balls. He should have kept his Mouth shut about his plan though!

i am assuming that there won't be much in the press, i will try some of the sex realist accounts i follow online and see what info i can glean.

But i think that there is no way anyone but the officer concerned is going to win this case.

I am also more than a little cross that the police, famously pro-women (not) complaining about this. I wonder if the female officers raised it at all.

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If the law allows multiple changes the only way the police force will win is to prove the individual officer was not in compliance with the law at the time of the application.

Good luck with that. 🙃

I am guessing if he can get the funding this is going to end up in the higher courts.

I am assuming german law gives defendents a right to legal aid? So if it is a "criminal" not an employee dispute that the officer will be entitled to access State funding to get a fair trial?

And anyway the male officer has proof of employer bias and discrimination when he is not picked for this promotion and the next few too

Oh, I don't know. If his intention is to demonstrate the idiocy of the legislation, then being open about taking every batshit step it permits is the most effective way to do it.

If I and other posters are correct about the lack of criteria in the legislation to prove, for want of better words, honesty and seriousness in changing gender marker, then he can't be sanctioned. And he probably knows that.

It's very "I never thought leopards would eat my face."

This kind of thing has already happened in other countries - certainly in Switzerland and, in a bigger way, in Spain. See attached article on Spain. I assume that this kind of thing is accepted as the price to pay for the greater good of "genuine trans" people. Spanish soldiers have exposed the flaw in gender self-ID | The Spectator

This should prove to be a very enjoyable case.

It's not clear. I think the soldiers in Spain were making a point when they all decided they were women?

German SelfID law is about to hit the fan in a fairly big way soon anyway if they resurrect conscription. When the SelfID law was brought in, one of the things that was mentioned a few times (not sure how many people noticed) was that selection is based on sex (and the conscription law refers only to men, not women - make of that what you will, but it is from the 50s i think and only ever gets suspended or slightly altered rather than repealed). So any natal males might be elligible for the draft or the ballot (it is not clear which way they are going to do this).

Right wing parties already have this bit of the law in their sights (SelfID) and i think the AfD (really right wing) are already talking about repealing laws on same sex marriage - which i will be opposing on the streets if necessary.

If it starts happening in large numbers, I assume things like paying an earlier pension to women, promoting women more easily, etc, will be shut down?

If it gets covered anywhere. The mainstream media may not mention it.

Though if the TRAs are already yelling "Queerphobia!' we might hear about it from their socials.

@Brefugee Ah, that explains why my German friend keeps on mentioning his arguments with his wife about men being expected to fight but women not. I've explained to him that men are stronger than women (this seemed to be news to him) and therefore in general less suited to combat on the ground, but he still thinks it's deeply unfair.

Ah, I see. If there are no differences between men and women, if women are just as strong as men, then it makes perfect logical sense that anyone can self-id as whichever one they like. The only difference really is frock, hairdo and lippy.

And it sounds as if even if when the case comes to court the mainstream German press wont take an interest. Sigh. In the long run gender ideology will probably be a gift to the extreme right wing, the longer the doubts and contradictions are suppressed the worse the backlash.

In this context, it means "on the far side of" or "beyond". The activists have made it very clear that one is either "trans" or "cis" (which means "on this side of" so we are talking geography, transalpine vs cisalpine, or trans vs cis in chemistry.

Wasn't there a group of Spanish police officers who did this so they could retire earlier with a full pension?