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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

German Police Officer being taken to court for "faking trans identity"

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Brefugee · 11/11/2025 09:07

Just heard it on the news, so no further information as yet (will do some digging) but this is potentially explosive, or potentially really going to be depressing.

A police officer in Düsseldorf has changed his gender ID (we have self ID laws here) to female in order to be elligible for a promotion only available to female officers. (presumably only available to female officers for balance in the upper echelons).

He has also declared that when he gets married he will change his gender ID marker back to male. This is in line with our laws where that is possible, i think there is some time restriction on it, but theoretically you can change pretty much at will.

The police as an organisation are accusing the officer of using the self ID laws nefariously and it is going to court.

ETA: have checked and it is true. s/he was [i am in Germany, the law is clear on what i have to say] telling colleagues openly that after promotion they would be changing back to male before getting married.

The police are, of course, being accused of Queerphobia.

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Toutafait · 11/11/2025 15:27

Brefugee · 11/11/2025 11:23

tbh i also think it is fairly unfair but Germany is still a very sexist country in many many ways so he needs to wind his neck in.

Because, of course, he has the option of saying "no I'm a pacifist" and doing something else (driving old people to doctor's appointments etc) for the length of time others get conscripted.

If I was fighting a war against someone, I'd be delighted if I found myself facing female rather than male troops. I'm talking about on the ground - running around with heavy weaponry.

ForestAtTheSea · 11/11/2025 19:29

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/nordrheinwestfalen/polizei-duesseldorf-geschlechtswechsel-100.html

https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/polizei-geschlecht-duesseldorf-100.html

More sources (public media stations)

Just came on here to post the same, thanks @Brefugee

Will be a great case because in contrast to the convicted person recently, this is the opposite, respectable occupation, and people are supposed to accept the police's authority. This could give the case a different slant.

Then that would be a problem, because the law is supposed to be the same for everyone, all kinds of citizens, regardless of occupation or criminal history.
It will at least keep the topic in the news.

ForestAtTheSea · 11/11/2025 19:48

moto748e · 11/11/2025 15:13

Surely repealing laws on same sex marriage isn't going to be a vote-winner these days?

Probably not. It is one more reason for voters in general and women's groups to light a fire under the conservative and social democratic parties so they fix Self-ID.

The only parties who are seriously against Self-ID are the rightwing groups and BSW (Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht, soon to be renamed, I read, split-party from the Left).
I don't want anyone to think they "have" to vote AfD for women's rights, it would be madness.

The conservatives were against it, too but now they are too slow to revoke it.

Some context maybe about this specific case and work place law:

Many companies and public services did not have DEI - with the exception of the past couple of years - and "race" is not a category.

What they do have in Germany, and have had for probably 20+ years, is to strive for a balance of men and women in workplaces, and if there is a huge discrepancy, especially on the higher levels (as PP said, too), female applications - when all other aspects of the applicants are comparable (education, experience etc) - are to be preferred, so that men and women are represented more equally.

(This is also the case for people with a disability, especially for desk jobs in the public service. That's because it is assumed people without a disability have more options and alternatives, and also can move city more easily or commute further than for example someone in a wheelchair. However, the applications need to equally qualified, too.)

Both of these regulations have been in place way before DEI came over from the US. I'm saying this so the context is clearer.

Thus the person from this current case in the police will make an interesting example, because yet again it's what many women have warned against.

And yes, the media write "she" for fear of being sued. Also the person accused the police of being "anti-queer", which the top boss rejected as "ridiculous" (from my links above).

AnSolas · 11/11/2025 19:49

It will also create a real conflict if Greman police (as a State agency) are rejecting the officers self ID and trying to bring charges against his choice is acting in the same way as a "GC individual" saying TWAM etc.

By doing the same as it opens the officers working for the State and their legal tream up to chargable offences while doing their duty

Fun times to come.....

Delphin · 11/11/2025 20:23

@Brefugee : "Given equality laws, i think it would be perfectly acceptable to include women in the draft. But that would require a change to the law and that will never ever happen here."

Well, as a few CDU-led Länder have just tabled a change to Article 3 Grundgesetz to include gender identity, nothing is impossible... (Article 3 is the equivalent to the UK Equality Act, but on constitutional level).

Brefugee · 11/11/2025 20:35

The job i did was equally suitable to women and men. Forward running around with heavy equipment, not so much.

AFAIK the only real danger to same-sex marriage comes from the AfD and i would rather eat my own eyeballs than vote for them. There are many column inches wondering why a party with a lesbian leader, married to a woman with a child between them is so keen to demolish same sex marriage.
It won't happen. The SelfID laws are going to be a challenge.

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MistyGreenAndBlue · 12/11/2025 14:06

ArabellaSaurus · 11/11/2025 13:03

Google translate of above link:

'A Düsseldorf official is suspected of having used her gender entry for a promotion. She rejects the allegations and complains.
A police commissioner from Düsseldorf has sued the city in the administrative court after a disciplinary procedure has been initiated against her. As reported, among other things, the "Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger", the police accuses the officer of having changed her gender entry in order to benefit from a promotion of women in the transport system.
According to the authority, the commissioner had on 7. May 2025 at the registry office changed their personal status from male to female. The basis was the self-determination law, which has been in force since the beginning of the year, which allows a simple change in the gender entry. Through the new entry, the official moved up in the transport list.
The police commissioner then reported the commissioner to the public prosecutor's office for attempted fraud. The disciplinary proceedings initiated in parallel rest until the investigation is completed.
Transport of the officer suspended until further notice
The HR department informed the official that a promotion stop would apply until further notice. This was justified by the suspicion that the gender change had been used in a targeted manner in order to get to a higher grade level more quickly.
The officer denies the allegations. Her lawyer explained that his client had identified herself as a woman for years and changed his civil status after a long period of consideration. The accusation of fraud is unfounded.
Lawyer criticizes police – these reject accusations
The lawyer sharply criticized the police. The procedure of the authority management shows a negative attitude towards trans people. His client had spoken openly about her decision and after the change consulted with the Equal Opportunities Officer of the police.

The police headquarters rejects the accusation of discrimination. A statement said official decisions would be made regardless of gender or identity. The case was only striking because the person concerned had previously repeatedly stated in the circle of colleagues that the change would be made on the basis of professional advantages.'

Blimey! I think that was a pretty perfect example of what would have been a very straightforward article being turned, by using the wrong pronoun, into absolute nonsense.

No one, who wasn't clued up about all this, would have the least idea what this was all about

elviswhorley · 12/11/2025 14:07

I'm sure they mean 'faking a female identify'

Toutafait · 12/11/2025 14:12

Delphin · 11/11/2025 20:23

@Brefugee : "Given equality laws, i think it would be perfectly acceptable to include women in the draft. But that would require a change to the law and that will never ever happen here."

Well, as a few CDU-led Länder have just tabled a change to Article 3 Grundgesetz to include gender identity, nothing is impossible... (Article 3 is the equivalent to the UK Equality Act, but on constitutional level).

I think "that will never happen here" is a sentence no-one can take seriously anymore. Parents in Germany are now entitled to change their baby's legal sex as soon as it's born. No questions asked. If that can happen, anything can happen.

Brefugee · 12/11/2025 16:18

they are not going to change the law on same sex marriage, that is not a vote winner for anyone.

Whether or not any future government repeals the batshittery that is the SelfID law remains to be seen.

Most people i speak to have no idea how far it has gone. Most are horrified when i tell them.

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ForestAtTheSea · 12/11/2025 20:07

Couple more links from mainstream media on this case - the information is similar, the point is that this is widely reported, and probably also in the connected TV shows (Tagesschau, RTL news etc).

https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article6914367271dafa6e0afd1056/befoerderungssperre-verhaengt-streit-um-geschlechtswechsel-nrw-polizei-zeigt-kommissarin-an.html

https://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/polizist-lebt-als-frau-jetzt-gibt-es-boesen-betrugs-verdacht-gegen-trans-person_7a38f9ee-4b32-46b6-ba66-b9d92d4892ca.html

https://www.rnd.de/panorama/aerger-bei-der-polizei-duesseldorf-beamter-erhaelt-nach-geschlechtswechsel-befoerderungssperre-SF2DTYN4E5AORI54OFW2PEVGUA.html

https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/duesseldorf/duesseldorf-polizistin-soll-geschlecht-fuer-befoerderung-gewechselt-haben_aid-138782809

https://www.rtl.de/news/duesseldorf-polizist-aendert-geschlecht-um-schneller-befoerdert-zu-werden-id30006049.html

https://antenne.nrw/nrw/polizist-in-duesseldorf-nach-geschlechtswechsel-angezeigt/

and also on a queer newsportal:
https://www.queer.de/detail.php?article_id=55775

I find it interesting that the headlines aren't immediatly screaming "transphob colleagues mobbing someone out of the police force", which is what it would have been last year. Didn't find anything in the leftwing TAZ yet.

This is definitely not swept under the carpet. The question is what is the underlying intention: is it to drum up support for the "transphobic" reaction of the police? However, all the headlines and their wording point towards that the accusation of fraud is taken seriously, and that they'll do a investigation.

This will of course not work because how do you prove genuine intention, when the law, created by the previous ruling coalition, says that any declaration of whatever must be accepted at face value.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 14/11/2025 13:25

Toutafait · 12/11/2025 14:12

I think "that will never happen here" is a sentence no-one can take seriously anymore. Parents in Germany are now entitled to change their baby's legal sex as soon as it's born. No questions asked. If that can happen, anything can happen.

Parents in Germany are now entitled to change their baby's legal sex as soon as it's born. No questions asked.

Truly horrifying.

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