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38thparallel · 10/11/2025 13:48

Have the BBC come up with the usual glib comment (which I’ve read on here often, too)?

‘The right and left both think we are biased so I guess we’re getting the balance right.’

MollyButton · 10/11/2025 13:50

Damnthetorpedoes · 09/11/2025 19:48

HIGNFY should be good.

Oh wait.

HIGNFY isn’t as heavily censored as other programmes. So the doctoring of the Trump speech was on last weeks programme, and Helen Lewis is regularly seen.

BBCisBatshit · 10/11/2025 13:54

logiccalls · 09/11/2025 18:51

The ones who need to go are employees in the 'diversity;' unit, i.e. the Stonewall devotees. As a perfect analogy, imagine BBC/ Islington group-think, has been taken over by a flat earth cult. They employ a team of flat-earth cult worshippers, who are given power to permit, or to ban, everything the BBC does. Nobody is ever allowed to mention the possibility that the earth is not flat. At last, the Supreme Court declares the earth is not flat. The group-thinkers cannot bring themselves to consider the Supreme Court's ruling is anything except heresy. So they carry on as if their Cult belief can over-rule the Supreme Court. They still have firm control, as shown by the script announcing the departure of Davie; It mentioned the Arabic service, and mentioned the Trump speech, but not the Stonewall Cult Capture.

Simon Edge wrote about this very thing in The End of the World is Flat!

You really got me thinking, logiccalls. What if there is a 'desk' or guidelines at BBC exec that suppresses a proper scientific examination of climate change?

Well, in January of 2006 the BBC held a seminar about how they were going to allow climate change to be discussed, going forward. It was determined there would be "no debate, no balance" (where have we seen that before?) on climate issues and the very real suspicion is that the event was deliberately designed from the very outset to come up with this result: “the weight of evidence no longer justifies equal space being given to the opponents of the consensus.” Thereby manufacturing consensus.

No serious commentator disputes that the climate has shifted. The question the BBC won't allow to be discussed is whether, or to what extent, the shift is man-made and caused by emissions (as opposed to other man-made actions), and the extent to which those things can be known. The feasibility, cost, and politics of going "Net Zero" is barely worth starting on if we aren't confident it is relevant.

This is the list of attendees:

Specialists:
Robert May, Oxford University and Imperial College London
Mike Hulme, Director, Tyndall Centre, UEA
Blake Lee-Harwood, Head of Campaigns, Greenpeace
Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, Niels Bohr Institute, Copenhagen
Michael Bravo, Scott Polar Research Institute, University of Cambridge
Andrew Dlugolecki, Insurance industry consultant
Trevor Evans, US Embassy
Colin Challen MP, Chair, All Party Group on Climate Change, Artist
Anuradha Vittachi, Director, Oneworld.net
Andrew Simms, Policy Director, New Economics Foundation
Claire Foster, Church of England
Saleemul Huq, IIED
Poshendra Satyal Pravat, Open University
Li Moxuan, Climate campaigner, Greenpeace China
Tadesse Dadi, Tearfund Ethiopia
Iain Wright, CO2 Project Manager, BP International
Ashok Sinha, Stop Climate Chaos
Andy Atkins, Advocacy Director, Tearfund
Matthew Farrow, CBI
Rafael Hidalgo, TV/multimedia producer
Cheryl Campbell, Executive Director, Television for the Environment
Kevin McCullough, Director, Npower Renewables
Richard D North, Institute of Economic Affairs
Steve Widdicombe, Plymouth Marine Labs
Joe Smith, The Open University
Mark Galloway, Director, IBT
Anita Neville, E3G
Eleni Andreadis, Harvard University
Jos Wheatley, Global Environment Assets Team, DFID
Tessa Tennant, Chair, AsRia

BBC attendees:
Jana Bennett, Director of Television
Sacha Baveystock, Executive Producer, Science
Helen Boaden, Director of News
Andrew Lane, Manager, Weather, TV News
Anne Gilchrist, Executive Editor Indies & Events, CBBC
Dominic Vallely, Executive Editor, Entertainment
Eleanor Moran, Development Executive, Drama Commissioning
Elizabeth McKay, Project Executive, Education
Emma Swain, Commissioning Editor, Specialist Factual
Fergal Keane, (Chair), Foreign Affairs Correspondent
Fran Unsworth, Head of Newsgathering
George Entwistle, Head of TV Current Affairs
Glenwyn Benson, Controller, Factual TV
John Lynch, Creative Director, Specialist Factual
Jon Plowman, Head of Comedy
Jon Williams, TV Editor Newsgathering
Karen O’Connor, Editor, This World, Current Affairs
Catriona McKenzie, Tightrope Pictures
Liz Molyneux, Editorial Executive, Factual Commissioning
Matt Morris, Head of News, Radio Five Live
Neil Nightingale, Head of Natural History Unit
Paul Brannan, Deputy Head of News Interactive
Peter Horrocks, Head of Television News
Peter Rippon, Duty Editor, World at One/PM/The World this Weekend
Phil Harding, Director, English Networks & Nations
Steve Mitchell, Head Of Radio News
Sue Inglish, Head Of Political Programmes
Frances Weil, Editor of News Special Events

The army of BBC bosses who attended tells us just how significant the seminar was to them. It clearly was not just a casual seminar, but a major milestone in their editorial policy. More important was the list of “best scientific experts”. It included two Greenpeace campaigners, several other environmentalist activists, representatives of business, charities, the Church of England, BP and Npower Renewables, economists, media people and politicians. But climate scientists were very thin on the ground. There clearly could have been very little debate on the actual science.

hholiday · 10/11/2025 14:11

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2025 23:59

Tim Davie is delusional.

He’s a massive coward who should have gone years ago. There was a comment here about them not having enough resources - speaking as somebody who used to work there, they have plenty, they just spend them on the wrong things. And they are far too quick to dismiss complaints when it gets in the way of their cosy club at the top – hence the fact they have kicked women’s concerns about their reporting into touch for so long.

Easytoconfuse · 10/11/2025 14:15

ArabellaSaurus · 09/11/2025 19:57

“While mistakes have been made, I want to be absolutely clear recent allegations that BBC News is institutionally biased are wrong,” she said.

Turness can't even resign without lying.

I don't think she does see it as lying. I think that, like the NHS, schools, prisons etc, the BBC live in such a bubble that she doesn't think there are other opinions and that it's their duty to re-educate us. What's struck me is how many of the statements about the BBC could be NHS Fife or NHS Darlington is you just changed the names. That 8% of so-called progressive activists have effectively got control. Not right wing, not left wing. Maybe we could call them blob wing?

BendoftheBeginning · 10/11/2025 14:20

Unfortunately I don’t think we can take any credit. The headlines on this are all about bloody Trump and his “fake news” schtick and the Telegraph as an enemy of the BBC - there’s not even a peep about trans propaganda vs women’s rights!

Damnthetorpedoes · 10/11/2025 14:27

The knives are really out for the BBC, now.

Trump and Israel are gunning for the Corp. Superb timing, and a thorny topic for Starmer to fumble (he will inevitably do so, of course).

Perhaps Trump can save the UK from itself.

38thparallel · 10/11/2025 14:36

Maybe we could call them blob wing?

Blobwing is an excellent name.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 10/11/2025 14:38

38thparallel · 10/11/2025 14:36

Maybe we could call them blob wing?

Blobwing is an excellent name.

or Batty Wing. 😁

nicepotoftea · 10/11/2025 14:42

Easytoconfuse · 10/11/2025 14:15

I don't think she does see it as lying. I think that, like the NHS, schools, prisons etc, the BBC live in such a bubble that she doesn't think there are other opinions and that it's their duty to re-educate us. What's struck me is how many of the statements about the BBC could be NHS Fife or NHS Darlington is you just changed the names. That 8% of so-called progressive activists have effectively got control. Not right wing, not left wing. Maybe we could call them blob wing?

On trans issues, I think there is over reliance on the fact that some changes have been made, and not enough acknowledgment of what went wrong in the first place, and the fight that was necessary to get any change.

This affects all institutions, not just the BBC.

Teribus21 · 10/11/2025 15:02

The one and only comment on the trans issue and women’s rights from the chairman in the letter: “And on the review of sex and gender identity, the EGSC noted much of the coverage met the BBC's standards of impartiality and accuracy”

Cue sound of frantic sweeping under carpet accompanied by waffleometer on full self congratulatory mode.

Easytoconfuse · 10/11/2025 15:15

Teribus21 · 10/11/2025 15:02

The one and only comment on the trans issue and women’s rights from the chairman in the letter: “And on the review of sex and gender identity, the EGSC noted much of the coverage met the BBC's standards of impartiality and accuracy”

Cue sound of frantic sweeping under carpet accompanied by waffleometer on full self congratulatory mode.

"Much of the coverage met standards?" If that's okay, than can I pay 'much of the TV licence? without prosecution?

How can the BBC expect to be believed if 'much of the coverage' is accurate? How do I know which bits aren't? I routinely check other coverage, but the state broadcaster shouldn't need checking.

nicepotoftea · 10/11/2025 15:23

Teribus21 · 10/11/2025 15:02

The one and only comment on the trans issue and women’s rights from the chairman in the letter: “And on the review of sex and gender identity, the EGSC noted much of the coverage met the BBC's standards of impartiality and accuracy”

Cue sound of frantic sweeping under carpet accompanied by waffleometer on full self congratulatory mode.

Is 'much' more or less than 50%?

SionnachRuadh · 10/11/2025 15:31

I suppose the BBC, like the NHS, is really bad at admitting when it's been at fault.

That letter from Samir Shah could just as easily have come from whoever runs the Fife or Darlington NHS trusts.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 10/11/2025 15:35

Datun · 10/11/2025 13:32

but outgoing CEO of News Deborah Turness has said this morning the organisation "is not institutionally biased".

Someone needs to ask her how many trans identified people are employed by the BBC.

Not just how many (the BBC employs thousands of people in support roles) but how close they are to decisions that impact output and policy.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 10/11/2025 15:37

Easytoconfuse · 10/11/2025 15:15

"Much of the coverage met standards?" If that's okay, than can I pay 'much of the TV licence? without prosecution?

How can the BBC expect to be believed if 'much of the coverage' is accurate? How do I know which bits aren't? I routinely check other coverage, but the state broadcaster shouldn't need checking.

c.f. the protest was 'mostly peaceful'

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 10/11/2025 15:44

misscockerspaniel · 10/11/2025 14:32

And on the review of sex and gender identity, the EGSC noted much of the coverage met the BBC's standards of impartiality and accuracy.

And that's all that the Chariman has to say on the subject.

Always nice to know that women's concerns have been dismissed at the very highest levels.

Talkinpeace · 10/11/2025 15:49

We marked our own homework and gave ourselves an A

Ignore the pesky mr Prescott who gave us C-

lcakethereforeIam · 10/11/2025 15:49

Like saying of any abusive relationship 'much of the sex was consensual'. 😡

EsmaCannonball · 10/11/2025 15:51

I saw an interview with a former BBC news editor and he was claiming (can't remember his name but it was on Sky News) that all this was a result of a right-wing lobby within the BBC and saying that BBC impartiality means it must not give in to any lobby groups within the organisation. I couldn't decide whether he was either so ideologically captured he was blind or just an outright liar to not notice all the other, much greater lobby groups who have taken over their employer.

Dragonasaurus · 10/11/2025 16:05

Teribus21 · 10/11/2025 15:02

The one and only comment on the trans issue and women’s rights from the chairman in the letter: “And on the review of sex and gender identity, the EGSC noted much of the coverage met the BBC's standards of impartiality and accuracy”

Cue sound of frantic sweeping under carpet accompanied by waffleometer on full self congratulatory mode.

And what about the stories they didn’t cover? Presumably ‘nothing to see here’ - obviously

BBCisBatshit · 10/11/2025 16:08

Josh Howie covered this really well on Free Speech Nation, for a full hour just after the news broke. Both sides got a voice and that did not diminish the message. Fiona M. from Sex Matters was first up and the last interview is with Malcolm Clark..

To miss the commercials start 6ish minutes in:

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