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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Nadia Whittome offers some insights.

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ArabellaSaurus · 09/11/2025 16:44

Appears to be an attempt to address issues of concern to UK women today.

'Nadia Whittome, who has just joined Westminster’s Women and Equalities Committee, called for the Government fight back against toxic narratives and show solidarity with the trans community'

'...what we’re up against is a machine funded by billionaires in this country and the US, with political support from countries like Russia as well.'
...
“You just need to follow where the transphobia is coming from, it’s not coming from working class people, it’s trickling down from the top.
“These concerns are not being raised by a cleaner on the minimum wage, somebody stuck in an abusive relationship. Trans people aren’t a threat to them, the threat to them comes from violent men and the structures that keep them trapped, whether that’s low pay, low benefits, not having access to the public services they need.
“I don’t think that’s because a Labour government is the main driving force, I think the main driving force pushing it backwards, there are external forces funded by big money from Elon Musk to JK Rowling, but the Government isn’t standing up against that with a compassionate alternative, and it’s allowing itself to be pushed in that direction.

“I think it’s very sad, I feel very sorry for her, for someone who was once a treasured children's author.”
Earlier this year the Harry Potter author launched a fund for "women's sex-based rights", which "offers legal funding support to individuals and organizations fighting to retain women’s sex-based rights in the workplace, in public life and in protected female spaces".

Ms Whittome ruled out the idea social media regulation was a “silver bullet”, and that the only way to fight bigotry was “not to give an inch”.
She said: “We see negative headlines about trans people in the media every day, the Tories and Reform continue to use them as a political football, often most damagingly in reference to protecting women from women who aren’t trans, which misdiagnoses the problem of male violence, which is something…done to women both trans and not trans by violent and abusive men.'

https://archive.ph/aoJmH

Nadia, wait til you hear what they're doing with violent and abusive men who say they're women! They're in women's prisons, Nad!

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Domesticatednottamed · 09/11/2025 20:13

I think it was Sarah Phillimore I heard saying that in order to believe in trans ideology you have to make yourself stupid.
Some people definitely have a head start.

ArabellaSaurus · 09/11/2025 20:14

usedtobeaylis · 09/11/2025 19:47

Her confidence in speaking on this is totally unwarranted given how uninformed she is.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." — Charles Darwin

"It's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." — Franz Kafka

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Toseland · 09/11/2025 20:23

She seems so ill informed and so biased that surely she can't sit on the women and equalities committee?
I've seen her protest against working class women in Nottingham.

SionnachRuadh · 09/11/2025 20:34

O Lord, that Just Society thing...

Obviously it's beyond them to notice that Maya's appeal set a precedent thus opening the door for similar litigation, and the publicity around it encouraged litigation in similar cases.

It is also beyond them to look at how these cases have been funded, mostly on crowdfunding platforms where we can see they are overwhelmingly funded by small donations with the occasional big donation (thanks Jo) topping them up.

They are starting with an ideological standpoint (that male people having to use men's changing rooms is a bad thing), assuming a vast oligarchical conspiracy, and then blustering about "we fed this into AI" as if that demonstrates accuracy.

The funny thing is, this is exactly how people like Nadia Whittome think - that we'd be perfectly happy with flashers in our changing rooms if only for the nefarious influence of JKR and Elon Musk.

NotAtMyAge · 09/11/2025 20:39

SionnachRuadh · 09/11/2025 20:34

O Lord, that Just Society thing...

Obviously it's beyond them to notice that Maya's appeal set a precedent thus opening the door for similar litigation, and the publicity around it encouraged litigation in similar cases.

It is also beyond them to look at how these cases have been funded, mostly on crowdfunding platforms where we can see they are overwhelmingly funded by small donations with the occasional big donation (thanks Jo) topping them up.

They are starting with an ideological standpoint (that male people having to use men's changing rooms is a bad thing), assuming a vast oligarchical conspiracy, and then blustering about "we fed this into AI" as if that demonstrates accuracy.

The funny thing is, this is exactly how people like Nadia Whittome think - that we'd be perfectly happy with flashers in our changing rooms if only for the nefarious influence of JKR and Elon Musk.

Indeed. I trudged my way though that article, laughing to myself that they think AI is a reliable source of information. Too young to know the old computer adage of Garbage In, Garbage Out. They aren't terribly clear about dates either, not having noticed that the big precedent-setting judgments they list predate JKR's fund, sometimes by years.

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 09/11/2025 20:43

SionnachRuadh · 09/11/2025 20:34

O Lord, that Just Society thing...

Obviously it's beyond them to notice that Maya's appeal set a precedent thus opening the door for similar litigation, and the publicity around it encouraged litigation in similar cases.

It is also beyond them to look at how these cases have been funded, mostly on crowdfunding platforms where we can see they are overwhelmingly funded by small donations with the occasional big donation (thanks Jo) topping them up.

They are starting with an ideological standpoint (that male people having to use men's changing rooms is a bad thing), assuming a vast oligarchical conspiracy, and then blustering about "we fed this into AI" as if that demonstrates accuracy.

The funny thing is, this is exactly how people like Nadia Whittome think - that we'd be perfectly happy with flashers in our changing rooms if only for the nefarious influence of JKR and Elon Musk.

It's a real piece of work, isn't it? I loved this:

This is antithetical to liberal values. If gender-critical activists want to challenge trans-inclusive policies, let them make their case in daylight through democratic processes. Let them persuade the public, lobby Parliament, and seek democratic mandate for their positions. Litigation has a role when rights are violated, but strategic litigation as a policy change tool bypasses democracy entirely.

We don't need to lobby: the law is already on our side. How about just obeying it?

Justme56 · 09/11/2025 20:49

I think it’s very sad, I feel very sorry for her, for someone who was once a treasured children's author.”
Earlier this year the Harry Potter author launched a fund for "women's sex-based rights", which "offers legal funding support to individuals and organizations fighting to retain women’s sex-based rights in the workplace, in public life and in protected female spaces".

Does NW think this is a bad thing? Does she want everything mixed sex?

ArabellaSaurus · 09/11/2025 20:51

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 09/11/2025 20:43

It's a real piece of work, isn't it? I loved this:

This is antithetical to liberal values. If gender-critical activists want to challenge trans-inclusive policies, let them make their case in daylight through democratic processes. Let them persuade the public, lobby Parliament, and seek democratic mandate for their positions. Litigation has a role when rights are violated, but strategic litigation as a policy change tool bypasses democracy entirely.

We don't need to lobby: the law is already on our side. How about just obeying it?

Right, like women were sneaking about and colluding with the Supreme Court in a shady back alley.

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BundleBoogie · 09/11/2025 21:34

ArabellaSaurus · 09/11/2025 19:37

No Nadia Whittome thread would be complete without this sketch. I mean clip.

https://x.com/OkBiology/status/1615888723425562626

That is outstanding!!! The way she just oozes away at the end after failing to even attempt to justify why she and her gang of white ‘anti racists’ are blocking an event where black people are speaking. It’s really bizarre.

Maybe she’s filming a special guest episode of Little Britain?

Helleofabore · 09/11/2025 21:43

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 09/11/2025 20:43

It's a real piece of work, isn't it? I loved this:

This is antithetical to liberal values. If gender-critical activists want to challenge trans-inclusive policies, let them make their case in daylight through democratic processes. Let them persuade the public, lobby Parliament, and seek democratic mandate for their positions. Litigation has a role when rights are violated, but strategic litigation as a policy change tool bypasses democracy entirely.

We don't need to lobby: the law is already on our side. How about just obeying it?

It is a very enlightening thing to see something think that the courts are not merely enforcing the law as it exists.

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2025 22:22

Fuck off Nadia.

I realised that this was bullshit back in about 2008 before any other fucker started talking about this.

I didn't need billionaires to state an opinion to work out that a male can't become female.

I have eyes.

fromorbit · 10/11/2025 08:00

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 09/11/2025 20:15

Don't forget folks to speak up if you are not getting your mountains of cash from Billionaires, Fundamentalist Christianity, and Big Oil. Most people on Mumsnet are getting the money regularly now.😁

SionnachRuadh · 10/11/2025 10:27

Shades of Zack Polanski's "fossil fuel oligarchs are funding the GCs" theory.

It's a style of politics that's very common on the American left, and is often deployed here by the likes of George Monbiot. It's not that our policies are unpopular, it's just that dumb voters have been whipped up into a moral panic by Big Oil or Big Tobacco or Big Koch.

They don't seem to be angry about Big Pharma these days. I wonder why.

Justme56 · 10/11/2025 10:41

The negative press is interesting but quite possibly this is more to do with the self inflicted nonsense that the activists have demanded. Take for example phrases like ‘her penis’ or calling a rapist/flasher, she/her, accompanied by a photo of an obvious man, or even more basic stories about pregnant men. All these articles are going to draw attention because readers are not stupid.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 10/11/2025 10:57

SionnachRuadh · 09/11/2025 17:27

I know David Lammy is a tempting comedy target, but at least his brand of noisy bumbling adds something to the gaiety of the nation.

Not enough members of the public have heard of Nadia Whittome. Labour's opponents could do worse than put clips of her on TikTok with the caption this nitwit is a Labour MP.

David Lammy is a barrister with a Masters from Harvard Law School so by no means a dimwit. Nadia Whittome on the other hand really is a dimwit who couldn’t even complete a law degree at Nottingham University.

NotAtMyAge · 10/11/2025 13:52

Helleofabore · 09/11/2025 21:43

It is a very enlightening thing to see something think that the courts are not merely enforcing the law as it exists.

I went back to look at this again and saw in a response to a comment that the author is a trans-identified man. What a surprise....

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 10/11/2025 13:58

Oh God.

I'd laugh, but it's too bloody pitiful. She honestly is so trapped in her ivory tower she's lost any remaining grip on reality.

She cannot think Sandie Peggie doesn't want to have to humiliate herself by miserably submitting to taking off her period soaked pants in front of a bloke to gratify his self expression because some middle class Russian told her to?

It's the privilege of these women that gets me, they have absolutely no idea what life is like for anyone outside of themselves and their mates. How on earth do these people get into positions of responsibility ffs? People who would be absolute chocolate teapots in any real workplace.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 10/11/2025 14:02

PrettyDamnCosmic · 10/11/2025 10:57

David Lammy is a barrister with a Masters from Harvard Law School so by no means a dimwit. Nadia Whittome on the other hand really is a dimwit who couldn’t even complete a law degree at Nottingham University.

Ah I remember the days (it was all fields around here) when I thought barristers were clever people.

And then I started following and listening to some and realised that not everyone who jumps successfully through academic hoops is actually functionally intelligent. And not everyone who gets into high place jobs got there through meritocracy.

NebulousSadTimes · 10/11/2025 14:20

I've seen her protest against working class women in Nottingham.

What was her justification for that, @Toseland ? Had she taken offence at something they'd said or done or was it just that they are working class women?

I try not to criticise people for anything other than chosen behaviour but she really does come across as an utter fuckwit.

Tofufuton · 10/11/2025 14:39

Lmao, literally with a cleaner on minimum wage who could let poor confused Nads know a thing or two! 😁

Timpanic · 10/11/2025 14:59

Reading all this stuff gives me whiplash in my brain. "let them make their case in daylight through democratic processes. Let them persuade the public, lobby Parliament, and seek democratic mandate for their positions." err yes, that is what happened. Does anyone think that's not what has happened?

And don't even get me started on NW stating as fact things that are blatantly untrue. But it's unsurprising really. The whole thing is based on willing fiction into reality - if saying TWAW enough times makes it true then why not try and see what else that magic works on! Is that a Trump tactic?!

Scout2016 · 10/11/2025 15:09

Let's just say there was an evil billionaire out there who was paying for every single court case, so what? That only gets it as far as court. Then the evidence is presented by both sides and the judges reach a conclusion.

Is she saying that only people she agrees with have the right to present cases before judges? Or just not rich people? It shouldn't be open justice for everyone?

moto748e · 10/11/2025 15:47

She is appalling, and it's disgraceful that someone as stupid or venal (and surely it has to be one or the other; either she believes the bollix she spouts, or she doesn't) should be an MP.

Kucinghitam · 10/11/2025 15:59

"Siri, show me somebody who is high on her own Righteous farts."

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