Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2

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The YP starting conference is in the ACC in Liverpool between 29-30 November so only three weeks off. With competing factions involving Islamic conservatives, every variety of Marxist/Communist, former Labour members, trade union activists, entryists from SWP and SPEW, splitters from the Scottish Greens, trans activists and actual left wing feminists [not the nice kind] it is difficult to underplay how much controversy there is likely to be. So we will need a second thread in advance.

Thus far following the internal drama of the UKs newest left party has taken a whole thread. It has been a wild ride and the party still does not have a name.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

I have a Corbynista friend and her attitude is let the Northern gammon go as they are no longer on board with progressive Labour. Unfortunately for her, the Northern voters are still a significant and influential vote.

Isn't Clacton near Minsk? 😁

I agree booting them out shouldn't be a priority and the younger generations will hopefully be more positive.

The point isn't simply that they're rich though: it's about the level of scrutiny their expenses receive (less than that of MPs etc), and there are questions in particular about exemptions & about Charles' finances in Cornwall.

These can of course be addressed and the monarchy kept. I do think that the amount of financial corruption Andrew was enabled in for so long, and the many quiet wealth exemptions the Queen negotiated for herself, mean that more scrutiny is inorder, though, so the institution can be improved for serve the people.

William & Catherine - I agree. We will have to see how they are as king & queen. For now, though, they seem fine & heaven knows they've had a lot on their plate the last few years...

Charles : it depends. He has done a lot of good work. There are still a lot of unanswered financial questions though, as well as probable complicity in the Andrew cover ups of SA & financial corruption. It's unknown whether he was aware of the Mountbatten abuse (if it happened, that is) when it was going on : he would have been an adult in his 20s when the CSA allegedly happened (in the later 1970s). Presumably if it did happen, he wad complicit in the later cover-up of that, too.

My point is that if you dig looking for dirt you'll find it - on just about anyone you care to probe. Nobody is perfect. My former points about the power, strength and meaning of a monarch in the collective imagination largely transcends such issues. Unless somone is obviously and overtly a bad un'.

We all require support and deep resource to be 'good' people, and a monarch has a particulaly high calling and a very particular duty which is not always the great privilege it is made out to be.

I think we are coming at this from two entirely different perspectives.

The Guardian put the word criminal in quotes

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jan/09/zarah-sultana-your-party-unauthorised-membership-portal-launch-may-have-been-serious-criminal-act

Bearing in mind Ofcom can't even bring itself to sanction Twitter over AI deep fakes it looks like Sultana is safe, then

The Guardian is directly quoting the ICO which is why “serious criminal activity” is in quotes.

I know that people find Corbyn's dithering style of leadership infuriating, but if YP members want an alternative leader, they might like to look for someone who doesn't accidentally commit fraud

A source close to Sultana said the police were “likely to be even less interested in this matter” than the information commissioner. “Zarah remains focused on building a successful mass socialist party and will not be distracted by those who want this project to fail,” they said.

That's a bold prediction.

It's a sort of lawyers response from the ICO. They've halted their investigation BC they believe it's a criminal matter and should be referred to the police.

Question is who, if anyone would. Not them? The Peace and Justice project?

But Believers still Believe

https://nitter.net/JamesEFoster/status/2009640534030348736#m

Solidarity, Zarah. The behaviour from some so-called socialists towards you has been utterly disgusting.

Also:

• it's a witch hunt
• the ICO is a criminal organisation

These are the people Rachael Swindon grifts money from

A source close to Sultana said: “The suggestion this might be a police matter is risible and the work of those who wish to see Your Party defeated.”

Your Party advised to refer unauthorised membership launch to police - New Statesman

I assume they're going to rely on the idea that socialists don't dob other socialists in to the police.

This is the kind of thinking that led to young women in the SWP who raised claims of rape being advised that they wouldn't get justice from going to the police, and ended up with them being interrogated by a party committee stacked with their rapist's mates.

Can you imagine trusting her with the shopping money?

I can imagine sending her out for a pint of milk and her coming back with some magic beans.

Well, she is young. Young in the way that Nadia Whittome is as well. Not necessarily young young chronologically, but more naive and unworldlywise.
The kind of naive that can be an "atheist Muslim" and actively promote men as women, be anti-landlord, while allying with devout Muslims who will never believe men can be women, Hell, they're so aware of the difference that the sexes pray in seperate spaces, and who are some of the most motivated landlords out there.
This naivity can't be shifted by age or experience, it's a kind of wishful thinking that would be embarrassing in a 12 year old let alone women of the age of Zara and Nadia.

Yeah...I mean she could say she's culturally Muslim via her background but she seems totally unaware of how her beliefs will appear to people who follow it seriously, let alone Gaza Independent types...

BTW, this is naive myself but...why are many Muslims landlords?

Because making money transcends religion.
And if an area is majority Muslim, there'll be a lot of Muslim landlords.
Why are so many Muslims human rights lawyers?

I get that they'll be many renting out rooms if they're in a majority Muslim area.
It was more that when SionnachRuadh said 'some of the most motivated landlords out there.' I thought she was implying it was more common for some reason. If not, my mistake.
I think I may have read something from Adnan Hussein a while back saying Muslims were more likely to be landlords when they first arrived due to limited options, but that would apply less now that many are established.

Sure that's right as well.
As white flight happened from so many inner cities, property became really cheap, and the rental sector for new arrivals burgeoned.
If indigenous Brits weren't going to be landlords, another group we're going to be.

Ah right, I see, thanks. That makes sense.

Of course, that's where the family, clan, national, political networks establish.
Modern Britain.
The sectarianism in our politics is about to get worse.
The Independent Group Of Muslim MPs is one of the worst signs of our political/civic deterioration.

There's another point that Adnan Hussain often makes - families who immigrated from Pakistan or elsewhere didn't have any inherited capital, so becoming landlords, in inner city areas where property was cheap, was an obvious way to build up family resources.

It's a bit like the traditional Jewish presence in the rag trade, which really comes from impoverished Jewish immigrants in the early 1900s looking for whatever gaps in the market they could find.

Basically, there were two broad types of Asian immigrants in the 70s' One group were essentially Middle Class professionals who were expelled from East Africa. This group were middle class, educated, qualified professionals, had made money or worked in fairly high level roles in East Africa. They had also already left one country to make a successful new life in another country (yes, aided and abetted by the Colonial ranking system where they were seen as 'better' than the Black Africans) They found it difficult to go into equivalent professional jobs in the UK because of racism, so became self employed- owned shops, bought houses and became landlords. The type of people who were the enemies of the left- Landlords, business owners and employers. The Hindu community for some reason largely became Conservative supporters so were hated anyway and were irrelevant really to the Left (apart from when they wanted to call them race traitors or Coconuts or something). The other group were people who largely came from Pakistan and Bangladesh and came over to work in factories. Poorer Indians largely came over to the UK much more recently so you have a class divide between Hindus and Muslims as a result. They were employed in low paid work, so were fine. The Muslim Middle class landlord types for some reason largely voted Labour and influenced other Muslims in the community who were poorer to vote Labour, so were the types of immigrants the Left liked. The Left tolerated many intolerant practices (mainly practiced by the second group of immigrants because that's what they brought from rural villages in Pakistan- places that are completely different even from Lahore or any big city in Pakistan, never mind London) because they didn't want to be seen to be racist and they voted Labour so they were automatically to right type of brown person. They ignored their views on women, but now, suddenly they have realised that people who are religiously conservative are socially conservative, and dont like pretending men are women. And that their religious beliefs are not just some silly superstition to them that they will be enlightened out of when they see the amazingness of the White Middle Class Left but is a strongly held belief. Suddenly they have noticed that something that has been happening for 50 years is beyond the pale. This is obviously a massive generalisation but is based on my experience as the child of an East African Asian Immigrant and similar family and friends.

This is why I stay online when there's so much useless "information" out there.
Along with trans politics, the politics of migration is the most fascinating area of human behaviour to me.

Great summary.

My grandmother taught a lot of Asian girls in the 70s & 80s who had come over after the Amin expulsion, so that would be the first type. The archetypal Hindu cornerstone owner etc. I suppose that if Labour saw any business owner etc as the enemy then that would explain why they voted Tory more.

'The Left tolerated many intolerant practices (mainly practiced by the second group of immigrants)'- I'm assuming you mean stuff to do with women, as you've mentioned. Any other practices, in particular?

'The Muslim Middle class landlord types for some reason largely voted Labour and influenced other Muslims in the community who were poorer to vote Labour, so were the types of immigrants the Left liked.' - I'm assuming the Muslim landlords voted Labour as they were perceived as more friendly to the Muslim ummah worldwide? Even when this meant supporting leaders like Arafat who were demonstrably bad for the ummah?

Probably poorer Muslims would have voted Labour anyway in larger numbers, without this. Landlords etc though would surely be because of worldwide concerns, otherwise it's hard to understand.

I'm sometimes sceptical of Chris Bayliss in The Critic but this piece on birarderi clan networks fuelling the grooming gangs fits exactly that.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=thecritic.co.uk/issues/april-2025/dont-blame-islam-for-grooming-gangs/&ved=2ahUKEwjcqMqj6IGSAxUOXEEAHXqoF8gQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1i1cIreZVeFh78GASn1PJ9