Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2

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The YP starting conference is in the ACC in Liverpool between 29-30 November so only three weeks off. With competing factions involving Islamic conservatives, every variety of Marxist/Communist, former Labour members, trade union activists, entryists from SWP and SPEW, splitters from the Scottish Greens, trans activists and actual left wing feminists [not the nice kind] it is difficult to underplay how much controversy there is likely to be. So we will need a second thread in advance.

Thus far following the internal drama of the UKs newest left party has taken a whole thread. It has been a wild ride and the party still does not have a name.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

Yes.

Title IX?

The silence on this is fucking deafening.

I agree a Republic itself is not a pressing concern- however, France, US and Ireland are not the only models a hypothetical UK one could emulate.

Germany, Austria, Portugal, Italy,, Finland, Iceland, Poland, Czech Republic, Lithuania, among other European countries, are all Republics, and this does not seem to hold them back particularly. In fact Poland is set to do better than we are, economically, by 2030- and it seems stable, aside from worry over Putin. Czech Republic seems fairly stable,too.

Yes, that's just one of several major mistakes in his watch...

Hmm...The Guardian has had a lot of coverage of protestors in Iran and the Woman Life Freedom movement, as well as people like Nazanin Zaghari-Radcliffe.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/01/iran-silence-protests-learn-listen-young-people

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/08/iran-human-rights-ghoncheh-ghavami-imprisonment

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/03/no-future-for-us-disaffected-iranians-say-its-now-or-never-to-topple-regime

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/18/women-forced-out-of-iran-acts-of-resistance-hope&ved=2ahUKEwjYtuyS4PyRAxVRW0EAHW07A90QFnoECGkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0DcgRljnhFaQiPRLx2kWsx

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2017/jan/05/nobel-laureate-calls-on-head-of-iranian-judiciary-to-quit&ved=2ahUKEwjevJe54PyRAxWoVUEAHZreHK0QFnoECGMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2vZbPPgz5HLAN6ID3PKyWc

What they won't do is endorse Trump's actions..why, I can't understand. How else will we ever dislodge Khomeini?

He was a famous 19th century theorist on the UK monarchy. Spoke about the symbolism, need for 'magic' etc

I'm coming from a more Jungian psychological perspective, I'd say. I've a background in psychology and counselling.

Yes, I don't think a Republic should be the first solution tried for the issues below. First, there should be more scrutiny and restraints on hidden information to provide stuff like this happening again :

Andrew & probably Mountbatten's sexual abuse was covered up by the royals. There is strong evidence Mountbatten abused boys at the Irish children's home Kincora & the Family as a whole turned a blind eye.

. Ditto the financial corruption of Andrew & Sarah, & the wider royal finances of the family that Dimbleby discussed.

Moreover, despite the monarch having no apparent role except a ceremonial one in politics, their conversations with the PM on political matters are kept far more secret than many other political documents. Eg. Harold Wilson's diary entries about his conversation with the queen are still expunged.

Didn't Michelle write a book about trans rights?

Ah, I see. Interesting how different perspectives can end up coming to fairly similar views! I can see how Jungian analysis would be a good lens to analyse the monarchy through.

What? I can't find any evidence of that.

https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/The-Michelle-Obama-Transgender-Guide-by-Richard-Saunders/9781365829246?srsltid=AfmBOops2uYQok5Bve6n_bTdgiB3bg2dJ7YhxP-qos1X2srYS8_X1xWg

An irony when many conspiracists have been suggesting she is herself a man.

Definitely agree on that. We need more checks on the monarchy to prevent more Mountbatten/Andrew & financial corruption, and their political role should be scrutinised more imo.

But we don't need a full-scale demolition of the monarchy, a reform should do the job.

' I get the discussion about the symbolism of Royalty, tradition vs the more egalitarian view.' - I get from orbits point here but for me, it's more about ensuring there's more check on corruption, not about symbolism or need for more egalitarianism. Nordic monarchies do show you can have a fairly egalitarian society and a monarchy.

I also agree that elevating our current political class would be very unpopular, but I'm not sure the current royals are very popoular either as more information is revealed. Hopefully the new generation will be better.

That's not by her though. It's by someone else apparently.why did they compile it though?

Very odd. Michelle made a huge mistake in supporting her husband's agenda on this.

'The Michelle Obama Transgender Guide Compiled by Richard Saunders with publicly accessible documents from the President Obama Administration. This book reflects on the historic steps the former First Lady and this last Administration have taken to afford greater protections for this minority community. '

The Bash Back terror group has been hit by an injunction after targeting the Free Speech Union with a hacking attack and are now in serious trouble. Unsurprisingly the one named member Autumn Redpath seems from a quick google to have links to left wing pro Palestinian activism:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5466515-mail-carry-out-investigation-into-trans-terror-group-bash-back?page=10&reply=149727865

Unless it is someone else with same name.

Blimey. Steve Freeman. There's a name with which I have not had to conjure since he lost his deposit in the 2015 Bermondsey & Old Southwark election. He got 20 votes, 20. Down by 100 from the dizzy heights of his 2010 campaign.

I don't really think the royals manage to hide their money and other issues more than other major figures in other countries. Just look at Harvey Weinstein. Or the silence around all the sexual abuse of kids in Hollywood. The Diddy stuff - all very similar, known of by many who were around the scene, and similarly kept hidden by the press, police, and those with political power, right up until they couldn't be hidden any more.

This is a function of money and political connections and will be found wherever those things exist. In a way I think the royals get more stick for it, we don't like people like Weinstein, but no one thinks it's a stain on his role or office, it's just rich man shit. People like Andrew are seen as letting down the public.

I think the 'core' royals are still popular. Charles, William and Katherine in the main.

The royals always have the time on their side.

Philip wasnt particularly popular, but was remarketed as a dotty grandfather and everything he said forgiven. Once William is king, anne will be retired, edward and Sophie still doing the obsure gigs, and andrew more irrelevant.

We know they are rich, but if they are seen to doing things and not lecturing, i cant see why any politican would waste the time and money forcing change, and create more work for themselves.

Thats their advantage, politicans only have a few years to get things done, the royal family are working on a different timescale.

Reform... "a feasible plan"

LOL, good one. 😂

If Your Party have a plan for regenerating Clacton, it would be interesting to hear it.

Of course the hipster Bolsheviks wouldn't dream of going somewhere as low class as Clacton.

I'd be surprised if anyone in YP could find clacton on a map.

Correct. The so called caring Socialists regard the lower orders up North or in places like Clacton as "Gammon" or scum.