Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2

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The YP starting conference is in the ACC in Liverpool between 29-30 November so only three weeks off. With competing factions involving Islamic conservatives, every variety of Marxist/Communist, former Labour members, trade union activists, entryists from SWP and SPEW, splitters from the Scottish Greens, trans activists and actual left wing feminists [not the nice kind] it is difficult to underplay how much controversy there is likely to be. So we will need a second thread in advance.

Thus far following the internal drama of the UKs newest left party has taken a whole thread. It has been a wild ride and the party still does not have a name.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

Well I guess that would depend on who you ask

Yes. And where does it end? Greenland? The Baltic states?

I'm just disappointed that Trump has got into the business of kidnapping autocrats and didn't think to include Starmer. What a rip off.

🤣 He's not that bad! Starmer is too inefficient to be an autocrat...

Are monarchists the only Iranians here who oppose Khomeini? Judging by the amount of young people who seem to oppose Iran government in the actual country, I thought there would be.

Surely some want democracy not a new Shah system? Esp given how it went last time...

One issue for Iran is that the country's rulers have been so effective at crushing dissidents that there are few figures for the opposition to form around. The consequence is that, Reza Pahlavi, the Iranian crown prince, has become the one figure that opponents of the current regime of Iran can use as a figurehead. Pahlavi is, at least notionally, a supporter of liberal democracy. And, I note, there have been instances where monarchs have ushered in democratic change; Franco appointed Juan Carlos as his successor, believing it was a way to preserve his legacy; instead Spain got its first democratic elections since the 1930s.

Good point, Juan Carlos is one my favourite monarchs in history. He should be an example to our current crop!

I'm not anti monarchist- I finished Ryszard Kapuscinski's Shah of Shah's book (eyewitness account of the Shah's downfall) and it made me feel pretty jaded about the dynasty. However, I hadn't looked into the current Pahlavis : I'm willing to believe they could be better.

From what I’ve read and statements made by Pahlavi the expectation is that he would be overseeing a transition to a democratic system. I don’t think the Iranians rioting want a monarchy like a gulf country, more like a head of state and then a proper government. He’s a figurehead more than anything else.

On the Trump thing, I’m finding it difficult to watch westerns getting all upset about it whilst the majority of Venezualans seem to be pretty happy. No I don’t think Trump did it for the love of democracy. But I doubt the americans will be disappearing journalists etc etc. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that russia and china had interests in the region and the americans are cleaning up their own back yard, yes oil too but theres the idea of not really being a world hegemony without being able to be a regional one first.

I don’t doubt oil plays a part but theres USA is basically oil independent. It doesn’t strictly need oil but it will reduce oil prices if they can shove more out, it will benefit americans. But it will also benefit Venezuela. One of the problems is that the current regime mass fired oil workers and didn’t invest in oil infrastructure such as tech, their oil tankers aren’t even minimum standard for transportation (and they owe shit tons of money to china and russia). FDI from American companies and sorting out the oil industry will in the long term be beneficial. I do think there should be concerns about exactly when new elections will be held. I would point out in the gulf most companies actually operating oil production are de facto western, the gulf is still immensely rich.

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On the spat with the Scottish greens ZS has started: comments section diagnosis is that this is jockeying for position to scoop up the most leftish votes for the Scottish Parliamentary elections.

I'm not familiar with the system but there's a limited list of candidates the votes can go to? O it fosters vicious competitions among 2 parties covering a similar political base

Exactly. Scotland has a two types of votes constituency and list votes, the later done by PR. PR votes are the way SG MSPS get elected. They have no chance to win constituency votes.

Bit of background YP Scotland have a chunk of splitters from the Scottish Greens including councilors. While still in SG they tried to coup the places on the SG list in 2025 so they could get into Holyrood. They failed and stormed off to YP. See earlier in this thread and the Scottish Greens thread for the hilarious details. So they really hate the SG who they regard as not being radical enough and having too many "men" in power and preventing trans stars like Ellie Gomorsall, from standing. One of the splitters is the infamous trans sex pest Eryn, or Evan, Browning who had a staring role in YP conference. This group will have been talking to Sultana who is very keen on YP Scotland and has been up recently.

Zarah Sultana says Your Party 'ready' for Holyrood 2026 vote
The party, which was co-founded by the MP for Coventry South and former Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn announced this week its inaugural Scottish conference will be held in Dundee in February.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25711855.zarah-sultana-says-party-ready-holyrood-2026-vote/

A lot of this group are based in Glasgow. They are hoping to win a seat there.

So Glasgow politics this May is going to be interesting to say the least. Especially as there is a significant Muslim vote there which Labour and SNP fight over too.

If Scotland is lucky the YP will cannibalize enough of the Scottish Green vote that they lose a few MSP spots.

Another salutary lesson Scottish politics offers: for all those keen on a PR system - check whether the system involved delivers politicians that next to nobody voted for and can't be gotten rid of. See also: Ross Greer, Maggie Chapman.

Yes. It's a modified D'Hondt system. List MSPs have had quite an astonishing impact on Scottish politics, if you look at the effect SG had on the SNP. One might look at that as one of the ways people promoting niche/minority/extreme views manage to get into power and effect legislation.

He might have appointed him as Foreign Secretary 😅

Must have been a rough week for Zara and Jeremy with Maduro gone and now the Ayatollah about to go.

Just seen the Corbyn broadcast to the Omnicausers. Usual 6th Form politics stuff, e's Just so predictable with all the "greatest hits" class war stuff.
He's gonna be the one to end the domination by corporations.
Yes, Corbyn, who couldn't even sort the party name and inaugural conference, is going to bring about this utopia.

Polling from MRP on behalf of More In Common.

Your Party here count as "Other" or independent.

It shows 6 seats holding, based on current polling. All of which seems to be the Gaza Independent MPs territory.

However Coventry South (Mrs Sultana) would lose out, to Reform.

https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/latest-insights/more-in-common-s-january-mrp/

Via Charlie mansell. Labour left winger Richard Burgon MP addresses the Venezuela solidarity rally.

Crowd chant for him to leave Labour. Might he jump ship to Your Party or the greens?

https://nitter.net/amandaakass/status/2008256966804828438#m

Burgon's from A Good Labour Family. In other words, he would never have got even a whiff of a selection process if his uncle hadn't been an MP before him. That kind of cosy berth is hard to give up on the off-chance that a protest vote might come good.

Big contrast with Sultana, who was a last minute LOTO imposed candidate for a retirement vacancy in 2019, was under permanent threat of deselection from her CLP, and after over five years as a local MP, managed to persuade one (1) Coventry councillor to defect with her.

I have the impression that Burgon is pretty well liked in Leeds. He's got one of those cheerful upbeat personalities that makes him hard to actually dislike, even for people who think he's a silly sausage. It also helps that he's a local boy in a city represented by those well known Yorkshire folk Rachel Reeves and Hilary Benn.

The only way I can see Burgon leaving Labour is if Starmer's people are stupid enough to kick him out.

Oh didn't realise Burgon was a Nepo baby

Politics is showbusiness for the even uglier relatives of already ugly people.

My interpretation of 'instinct' is an automatic gut feeling that belies a deeper intelligence. People with a political instinct have a feel for the way the wind is blowing and for the general mood in the collective.

Or a good week, perhaps? It will re-ignite their passion for 'anti colonialist' politics and give them a project other than Gaza and/or 'trans rights' to get behind.

It could be that constitutional monarchies are making a come back.