Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2

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The YP starting conference is in the ACC in Liverpool between 29-30 November so only three weeks off. With competing factions involving Islamic conservatives, every variety of Marxist/Communist, former Labour members, trade union activists, entryists from SWP and SPEW, splitters from the Scottish Greens, trans activists and actual left wing feminists [not the nice kind] it is difficult to underplay how much controversy there is likely to be. So we will need a second thread in advance.

Thus far following the internal drama of the UKs newest left party has taken a whole thread. It has been a wild ride and the party still does not have a name.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

Journalist from Islamic news site interrupts party co-founder’s speech to demand answers on ‘socially conservative purge’

Crikey, have we reached purges already? They usually give it a good year.

Well, we've already had SWP honcho Lewis Nielsen say "How dare you expel me on obviously made up grounds? That's my job!"

What is Trans Liberation (and does it always have to be spelled in CAPS) and how does this differ from Trans rights? What are they being liberated from?

It is just because once upon a time long ago there was such a thing as the Women’s Liberation movement and we know that women are no longer allowed anything for themselves without including the men who say they’re women.

The conference speakers included quite a lot of young men with long hair and strange names, who might be able to enlighten us on what Trans Liberation means.

I suspect it means liberating their todgers in women's spaces.

Patrick Christys is enjoying himself!

TW: this may be triggering for anyone who has been in the SWP and been subjected to Amy Leather shouting at you while waving her arms about

Sorry but this is ridiculous. There's been no socially conservative purge. There's been an argument, and two of the MPs from one side of that argument made the free choice to leave. Nobody purged them.

But what do the members think

https://nitter.net/PolitlcsUK/status/1995603593966317867#m

LOJ: Mao?
Zarah: Mao!
Adnan: Lmao

Sorry sort of gate crashing, so this may have been posted. But cant help but think same old, same old, and the SWP

The SWP’s Quiet Takeover of the Corbyn-Sultana Project

And into that failure walked the inevitable vultures. It is no surprise, then, that the conference ended up voting in favour of dual membership, including dual membership with organisations whose entire modus operandi is to infiltrate and redirect new movements. That vote didn’t fall from the sky; it reflected the organisational reality already being lived in many local groups. By the time delegates reached Liverpool, the ground had shifted. The SWP weren’t petitioning for influence. They were already sat in the chairs.

The brutal irony is this: many Your Party members still haven’t realised that the internal battle they believe they’re fighting (between Corbyn’s camp and Sultana’s camp) may no longer be the main event. A quiet, effective faction has already run the opening moves. The party’s founders were still arguing over titles while a different political tradition was calmly assembling the scaffolding.

Here is the inconvenient truth that almost no one inside Your Party wants to say aloud: the Socialist Workers Party saw the opening before anyone else did.

In the days immediately after the party’s launch, when structures were loose, membership systems unclear, and no central leadership had been agreed, SWP activists moved faster than the founders themselves. They clocked the organisational vacuum and did what the SWP has done for decades: they filled it. With no coherent chain of command in place, they booked meeting rooms, chaired local gatherings, and positioned themselves as the visible organisers in numerous branches. To many early recruits, the first people they met wearing Your Party badges were, in fact, SWP cadres. This wasn’t accidental. It was classic, textbook entryism executed with impressive discipline.

The outcome is becoming painfully clear: it is no longer “Your Party” at all. The movement that was launched in the language of empowerment, democracy, and grassroots renewal is rapidly shifting into something else, something shaped by those quick enough to occupy the vacuum before anyone else understood what was happening.

Call it a coup. Call it a fait accompli. But one way or another, the project as originally conceived is slipping from the hands of its founders and its members alike.

The tragedy is that it didn’t require malice, only disorganisation, naivety, and an open door. The SWP walked through it. Others will too. And unless Your Party confronts this reality, the chaos now visible on the conference floor will be only the opening act of a much larger collapse.

In fairness, one can hardly blame the SWP for seizing the opportunity. ...

https://labourheartlands.com/the-stillborn-revolution/

And into that failure walked the inevitable vultures. It is no surprise, then, that the conference ended up voting in favour of dual membership, including dual membership with organisations whose entire modus operandi is to infiltrate and redirect new movements.

That's not true though. The conference voted that membership of specific, nominated parties whose values are aligned with the party's own may be allowed to join, the list of those parties to be compiled by the central committee and then voted on by the entire membership. The default assumption if a party is not listed is that its members can't join. Obviously if a party's "entire modus operandi is to infiltrate and redirect new movements" then it won't be judged as having aligning values, will it?

So the unelected central committee decides who is and is not 'aligned' before the members even get a chance to vote on it?

Obviously if a party's "entire modus operandi is to infiltrate and redirect new movements" then it won't be judged as having aligning values, will it?

Surely that will depend on who is on the central committee judging the alignment of values and compiling the list of parties.

Reduxx has the receipts very useful summary

UK’s New Left-Wing Party Platforms Trans-Identified Male Previously Accused of Sexual Misconduct At Inaugural Conference
https://reduxx.info/new-british-left-wing-party-platforms-trans-identified-male-previously-exposed-for-messaging-minors-at-inaugural-conference/

Middle Eastern Eye's account one of the very few going into details of gender at the conference and Browning's involvement:

What I learned at the inaugural Your Party Conference
The trans debate
One major issue that kept rearing its head was trans rights, which had caused a battle between Sultana and Hussain, who left the party earlier this month, saying it was intolerant.

In September Hussain had said that "women's rights and safe spaces should not be encroached upon" and that "safe third spaces should be an alternative option".

He added that trans women are "not biologically women, hence trans women", echoing the Supreme Court's ruling earlier this year.

Sultana responded by suggesting Hussain had no place in the party, declaring: "There is no room for socially conservative views in a left-wing socialist party. Period."

I asked Sultana whether she still stands by that uncompromising position.

She rowed back on it, telling me that "there are socially conservative people in all communities, in the trade union movement, in all parts of society, and we are seeking to reflect the whole country and seek their votes.

"So obviously, even our membership will reflect that broad base. I don't deny that. I think it's important to highlight that as a socialist party, we have to centre the most marginalised."

'Has it been the most perfect start? No. But tell me any party or any organisation that has been formed without some kind of bumps on the road'

She continued: “We see a ruling class that divides our communities. It divides Muslims against trans people, against disabled people, against refugees and against migrants.

"We have to show that solidarity is how we fight back, and we have to build coalitions and work together. And if there are people that do not recognise that, then I think that's an important thing to call out."

Sultana was arguing that social conservative views on issues like trans rights could be used as a ruling class attempt to divide marginalised people.

But she also clarified: "We are here to build an inclusive party. And of course, my analysis is not where everyone else is in terms of building solidarity and building coalitions.

"But it's important that this party allows people to feel included, to feel represented, and that they have to centre the most marginalised in terms of fighting against the powers that attack us."

But is a progressive position on trans rights non-negotiable? "I think a progressive position on trans rights that recognises that trans rights are human rights is the socialist position for a socialist party," Sultana said.

When I asked Corbyn about the dispute, he said he had "no worries" about a potential wedge between some Muslims and sections of the left: “We've got to recognise what the scourge is of racism in our society, what the scourge is of Islamophobia and, above all, recognise the diversity of our society is not a problem, not a negative.

"It's a plus," he added. "And let's be happy for that. And so I spend a lot of time with all of our communities trying to bring people together, recognising diversity as a strength, not a weakness."

Teething issues
In a debate on Saturday afternoon a member, Eryn Browning, stood up to denounce Hussain and Mohamed as transphobic. Hussain firmly denied this on social media and pointed out that Browning had previously been expelled from the Scottish Green Party over accusations of sexual misconduct.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-your-party-inaugural-conference-what-i-learned

And what they decide are their 'aligned values and what arent. It will he pretty difficult to say the SWP and the various Trotskyist/ Communist parties arent 'aligned with party values' when one of their founding members is running around talking about collectivisation of farming. Even though it looks increasingly like she doesn't know what she's talking about and it's just trying to get attention by saying stupid shit.

Being expelled from the SGP for sexual misconduct is quite an accomplishment.

Safeguarding is going to be a huge unguarded flank for YP, and even more so if the SWP, which is the functional equivalent of a grooming gang, is allowed in. They may or may not be in the end, but Zarah has clearly aligned with them, and for factional reasons her allies, the Mish Rahmans and Max Shanlys, are now on record bigging them up as good comrades with a valuable contribution to make.

Brendan O'Neil's take doesn't hold back.

The Your Party conference is the funniest thing I’ve seen in years
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/12/01/the-your-party-conference-is-the-funniest-thing-ive-seen-in-years/

Exactly.

The elections to the committee are going to be CRAZY. Corbyn vs Sultana, but also 100 years of Left wing factionalism on display - SWP, vs CGB, vs SPEW vs RCP and so forth. Plus the gender, Gaza and religion dimensions.

Meanwhile Greens will be focused on the elections as will everyone else.

Maybe they will all calm down, but I doubt it. Gaining control of that committee is the biggest prize in left wing politics for generations.

Pol Pot's collectivisation partly had such a horrendous effect because he had deliberately genocidal aims. But Mao & Stalin didn't, yet also had horrific death tolls. Frankly I wonder if these YP people have any awareness of these things..

I wonder if any of them even believe these things happened? Easily explained away by being Imperialist Fake news. Re Safeguarding- as with all cults, Safeguarding wont even be a consideration. Because that will mean access to womens bodies being restricted. Hopefully one good thing YP will do is keep all the cranks in one place. I wonder how long those Oap's will last?

If i were conspiracy minded, i would think YP has been set up just to reassure the electrate that the far left are out of mainstream left parties, and to make the greens look relatively normal. Once YP implode/amount to nowt more critical focus will be on the greens.

Sultana possibly may like to try and find the Lefties who helped Islamists set up a 'free democratic Socialist Islamic state' in Ìran. Oh yeah she cant because they were all executed.

Yes, Pol Pot immediately set about murdering anyone he thought would interfere with his grand vision: intellectuals, those who were left handed, anyone who wore glasses, spoke a foreign language etc. And the deliberate killing continued (as anyone who has been to Tuol Sleng or the Killing Fields will attest, it’s almost unimaginable) on top of those who died from starvation. My recollection of endless collectivisation and five year plans under Stalin is a bit rusty now, but I don’t remember him setting out to bring about wide scale killing.

As for whether the likes of YP think about historical events, I doubt it. The hard left sees failure of its policies being caused by those enacting them not being sufficiently pure in their ideology. Let’s give it another go and we’ll get it right this time…

The radical left has always had its cultish side, and sometimes it spawns actual cults.
Workers' Institute of Marxism–Leninism–Mao Zedong Thought - Wikipedia

I don't want to overhype groups like the Workers' Institute, they were always the fringe of the fringe, but the rad left doesn't really have any protections against its own fringe. It would be startling but not unthinkable to see someone pop up at a YP event and insist that "real Balakrishnanism has never been tried".

I remember that story. The 2 members who escaped, one, the daughter sired by Comrade Bala seems to have adjusted, but the other one has reverted completely to the Dear Leader (he died in prison. Look out for any interesting "anti carceral" policies popping up in YP motions by the way)

https://www.channel4.com/news/slave-house-couple-lambeth-leaders-1970s-political-cult

Robert Griffiths, general secretary of the Communist Party of Britain, describes the Maoist group as the “breakaway of a breakaway of a breakaway”.
He told Channel 4 News: “We know that they opened their centre in 1976. It closed in 1978, following the police raid in March.
“The group disappeared quite soon after that and there’s no real record of any political activity by the people involved in this commune.
“Really we’ve heard nothing about them, on the left in Britain, for decades.”
He added: “If one were to be brutally honest they were more of psychiatric interest than political interest.
“They had nothing to do with the mainstream leftwing and communist politics of the day.”

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What are the issues that matter to the working class people they claim to represent? Housing, jobs, cost of living, employment rights. But no, the first issue they discussed were trans rights and Gaza. They will be looking for votes up North won"t they?