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Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2

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fromorbit · 08/11/2025 09:57

The YP starting conference is in the ACC in Liverpool between 29-30 November so only three weeks off. With competing factions involving Islamic conservatives, every variety of Marxist/Communist, former Labour members, trade union activists, entryists from SWP and SPEW, splitters from the Scottish Greens, trans activists and actual left wing feminists [not the nice kind] it is difficult to underplay how much controversy there is likely to be. So we will need a second thread in advance.

Thus far following the internal drama of the UKs newest left party has taken a whole thread. It has been a wild ride and the party still does not have a name.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread | Mumsnet

The new left party is going to have significant implications for gender and sex discussions on the left in the UK and in wider political debate as wel...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

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ArabellaSaurus · 30/11/2025 19:09

misscockerspaniel · 30/11/2025 18:29

Drum roll. Henceforth, Your Party shall be known as ... Your Party

New party founded by Corbyn adopts Your Party as name - BBC News

The Party Formerly Known As Your Party

SionnachRuadh · 30/11/2025 19:19

They should have just gone with Four Candles Party.

ArabellaSaurus · 30/11/2025 20:01

All Your Morose Parties

SionnachRuadh · 30/11/2025 20:22

There are literal joke parties that are more serious than this
Hungarian Two-Tailed Dog Party - Wikipedia

If only Lord Sutch were still with us.

Hungarian Two-Tailed Dog Party - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Two-Tailed_Dog_Party

HildegardP · 30/11/2025 21:18

Carla786 · 29/11/2025 21:43

I wish that worked for XL bullies...

Bum-fumbling doesn't work for any kind of dog, it just understandably makes them more irate.
There is a way to get them to release but it's bloody dangerous, requires a lot of confidence, good balance, & a fair bit of upper-body strength. Nobody should try it who isn't 100% sure they can complete the process, & I suspect MN would quite understandably delete any description of the steps.

Carla786 · 30/11/2025 22:30

HildegardP · 30/11/2025 21:18

Bum-fumbling doesn't work for any kind of dog, it just understandably makes them more irate.
There is a way to get them to release but it's bloody dangerous, requires a lot of confidence, good balance, & a fair bit of upper-body strength. Nobody should try it who isn't 100% sure they can complete the process, & I suspect MN would quite understandably delete any description of the steps.

I didn't think so.

As you say, any way that's likely to work would also be very dangerous. I wish the government had euthanised all XL bullies.

HildegardP · 30/11/2025 22:37

Carla786 · 30/11/2025 22:30

I didn't think so.

As you say, any way that's likely to work would also be very dangerous. I wish the government had euthanised all XL bullies.

I wish the UK govt hadn't decided that dog licences were pointless red tape.

Carla786 · 30/11/2025 22:44

HildegardP · 30/11/2025 22:37

I wish the UK govt hadn't decided that dog licences were pointless red tape.

Exactly! All dogs should be licensed.

PachacutisBadAuntie · 30/11/2025 22:49

I have been drawn in to this hilarious thread and just wanted to say that the TRIH episode on Jeremy Thorpe is also hilarious
The Rest Is History | 65. A Very British Scandal on Podbean
www.podbean.com/ea/dir-rmp4a-ef277f9

Lalgarh · 30/11/2025 22:54

BlackForestCake · 30/11/2025 16:43

Why food? Why isn't she talking about public transport, water or housing, where there is a broad consensus that just leaving everything to the market isn't good enough?

She is mentioning nationalising water leccy and the others, but seems to want food production as well.

HildegardP · 30/11/2025 22:54

TruckDiver · 30/11/2025 09:55

The Times review has a picture from the conference of the delegates. It looks like a pensioners day out! Almost all of them are White and over 70 I would say. Doesnt bode well for Sultana. They all look like Jezza fans.

I'm not sure that follows. My local YP group is full of old people who think Zarah is the best thing since sliced bread. Also bear in mind that there's something like 2-3 thousand members at conference, but 50,000 members stting at home who all get a vote on each motion. So both the makeup of the conference audience and any way they behave probably tells us very little about likely outcomes.

The sortition process was supposed to make the conference audience representative of the membership demographics but the organisation was so last minute that by the time they invited people, most people couldn't go. Pensioners were probably the only people who didn't have competing work and family commitments + could afford the travel and accommodation expenses.

55K signed up for a newsletter.
9K bothered to submit the paperwork to acquire voting rights.

PachacutisBadAuntie · 30/11/2025 23:00

The is another Times article today by Max Kendix (sorry I don't seem to be able to do share tokens) but it ends with this which made me laugh (picture...)

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2
Lalgarh · 30/11/2025 23:07

The low voter turnout for the motions (20 thousand effective votes overnight) is blamed on comrades watching Match of the Day

https://nitter.net/LauraBeveridge7/status/1995095006735114264#m

SionnachRuadh · 30/11/2025 23:21

PachacutisBadAuntie · 30/11/2025 22:49

I have been drawn in to this hilarious thread and just wanted to say that the TRIH episode on Jeremy Thorpe is also hilarious
The Rest Is History | 65. A Very British Scandal on Podbean
www.podbean.com/ea/dir-rmp4a-ef277f9

Some people say the drama has an inconsistent tone, and RTD does do that sometimes, but I think it's hard to not lean into dark comedy since the murder plot reached a Coen Brothers level of ineptitude.

Carla786 · 30/11/2025 23:36

PachacutisBadAuntie · 30/11/2025 23:00

The is another Times article today by Max Kendix (sorry I don't seem to be able to do share tokens) but it ends with this which made me laugh (picture...)

Argh..

Bella Ciao is a lovely song but sadly ruined for me now due to its association with Antifa (and the fact Charlie Kirk's murderer wrote the lyrics down)

fromorbit · 01/12/2025 00:20

misscockerspaniel · 30/11/2025 18:29

Drum roll. Henceforth, Your Party shall be known as ... Your Party

New party founded by Corbyn adopts Your Party as name - BBC News

Useful choice. Means the thread title is still accurate and the Mumsnet analysis can be easily found.

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fromorbit · 01/12/2025 00:35

Today's conference featured more comedy with another pronoun man called Joseph who got up on stage to denounce "transphobia" twice and got in an argument with the chair -

https://nitter.net/sirwg202110/status/1995111199768207372

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fromorbit · 01/12/2025 00:40

Special tribute to the heroic left wing women who leafleted the conference with leaflets discussing material reality and biology and caused outrage amongst some who thought discussing materialism was "unsafe".

There were actually some marxists present.

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TruckDiver · 01/12/2025 01:00

HildegardP · 30/11/2025 22:54

55K signed up for a newsletter.
9K bothered to submit the paperwork to acquire voting rights.

No. c.800,000 registered an interest when it was first announced. c.50,000 of those paid for membership from when it was launched until now - that's the current membership number.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 01/12/2025 07:06

SionnachRuadh · 30/11/2025 14:28

It was made into a TV drama a few years ago, with Hugh Grant playing Thorpe, which is enormous fun.

Danny Finkelstein did a piece in the Times on its historical accuracy:

So you are saying that the leader of the Liberal Party, one of the most famous men in the country, urged on his best man, who contacted a carpet dealer, who involved a fruit-machine manufacturer, who asked a T-shirt printer, who found him an airline pilot, who shot dead the Liberal leader’s former homosexual lover’s dog?

Yes.
Fact v fiction in the Jeremy Thorpe drama A Very English Scandal

Here is the Archive version for those who don't have a Times subscription.

https://archive.ph/ehgsC

ArabellaSaurus · 01/12/2025 07:33

fromorbit · 01/12/2025 00:40

Special tribute to the heroic left wing women who leafleted the conference with leaflets discussing material reality and biology and caused outrage amongst some who thought discussing materialism was "unsafe".

There were actually some marxists present.

Well done, those women.

It is true that material reality is unsafe, btw. Being alive has a 100% mortality rate.

ArabellaSaurus · 01/12/2025 07:46

HildegardP · 30/11/2025 21:18

Bum-fumbling doesn't work for any kind of dog, it just understandably makes them more irate.
There is a way to get them to release but it's bloody dangerous, requires a lot of confidence, good balance, & a fair bit of upper-body strength. Nobody should try it who isn't 100% sure they can complete the process, & I suspect MN would quite understandably delete any description of the steps.

Are we still talking about politicians?

TempestTost · 01/12/2025 10:41

Chersfrozenface · 30/11/2025 16:42

I don't say it would work. I'm just trying to follow her thought processes, such as they are. Thus...

People use food banks because food is too expensive due to profiteering producers, processors and distributors.

Nationalise food production > no more profiteering, no more food banks.

This isn't even true though. Even with food prices one up, in historical terms food is cheap, and farmers aren't getting paid enough to make a go of it in many cases.

Plus the desire for very cheap food is driving small farmers out, resulting in corporatisation of farms, and making environmentally degrading food production methods the norm.

If anything we should be paying a lot more for sustainably produced food and having much less to spend on consumer goods and DEI initiatives and other stupid shit.

I suppose that could be her idea, but I suspect not.

fromorbit · 01/12/2025 10:51

Someone is claiming on X that debate over including conservative Muslims is settled. Nope Sultana has not changed a bit. This is just the usual TA insistence that you can't say biology is a thing wrapped up in a ribbon.

Ammar Kazmi

The debate on ‘socially conservative’ views in Your Party has clearly been settled.

It’s now where it always should have been: that people are entitled to their own personal socially conservative/religious beliefs, as long as they are not discriminating against or harming others, and are prepared to work with other minority groups in the fight against our common enemies.

From what I can see, zarahsultana has come around to that position. I welcome that and I commend her for it.
That statement demoralised lots of Muslims and inevitably prevented many from joining the party. Some of that damage may be irreversible. It also gave succour to Islamophobes, who held up Sultana as a ‘good Muslim’, using her as a stick with which to beat ‘bad Muslims’ who refused to get on board with her personal views.

Sultana’s initial position unleashed a War on Terror-style liberal Islamophobia inside the party. It also contributed to unjustified abuse levelled against Adnan Hussain and Iqbal Mohamed – notwithstanding the substantive and non-Islamophobic criticisms the pair have also faced. The viciousness of some of those attacks hews close to the language used by neoconservatives towards Muslims for the past 25 years.

Yesterday, when asked about the initial statement Sultana made, jeremycorbyn told 5Pillars that it ‘was an unfortunate choice of words’.

Corbyn also said, ‘Diversity of our community is welcome within the party. ... There will be differences of view. I’ve been politically active all my life. … I think you win much more by persuasion rather than by purity tests.’

Importantly, Sultana has now resiled from her original position. Yesterday, she told Middle East Eye:

‘There are socially conservative people in all communities, in the trade union movement, in all parts of society, and we are seeking to reflect the whole country and seek their vote. So, obviously, even our membership will reflect that broad base. … As a socialist party, we have to centre the most marginalised. We see a ruling class that divides our communities. It divides Muslims, trans people, disabled people, refugees and migrants. We have to show that solidarity is how we fight back, and we have to build coalitions and work together.’

Sultana also told the Your Party Muslim Network launch attendees:

‘There will be people who hold views different to myself in this party. We are an inclusive party. We are seeking to represent the entire country. What we cannot accept is people who seek to destroy our movement by stoking up culture wars. We have to fight for everyone because an attack on one is an attack on all.’

This is a positive development.

Moreover, ShockatAdam spoke powerfully on this issue, to applause in the conference hall:

‘We must unite, we must not allow small differences to disunite us … as long as we can work together on principles of mutual respect, non-discrimination and tolerance of all people of religion or no religion.’

I was also pleased to hear a campaigner, Ginerva Grant, speak from the rostrum and say:

‘We have an electoral coalition out there, of which our Muslim brothers and sisters in places like Blackburn, Leicester and Dewsbury are an absolutely crucial part. … If we can’t hold that coalition together … then we won’t win. … We shouldn’t hear anything in this debate about how “all the Independent MPs care about is Gaza”. Comrades, that’s just a lie and a racist one at that.’

This has all been deeply reassuring and I would say to any Muslims who remain sceptical about whether they have a place in Your Party: join and campaign for the party that you want to see exist.
https://nitter.net/AmmarKazmi_/status/1995255364569235786

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Shortshriftandlethal · 01/12/2025 10:59

No mention of women as a marginalised group at all there.

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