Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

EHRC guidance might be delayed for over a year

302 replies

OhBuggerandArse · 30/10/2025 22:12

Ministers really can't cope with acknowledging the law, can they?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d7cd9e2f-2635-409d-a624-a833611a09fc?shareToken=f3f89ea86fb5c264c18866395c93194d

I hope this is just a flag they're sending up to evaluate how much pushback there might be - let's make sure that the pushback is noisy, articulate and effective.

Rules forcing trans people to use birth-sex facilities delayed

The Equality and Human Rights Commission set out statutory guidance on how gyms, clubs and hospitals must judge single-sex spaces based on biology

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d7cd9e2f-2635-409d-a624-a833611a09fc?shareToken=f3f89ea86fb5c264c18866395c93194d

OP posts:
Thread gallery
21
TimeConsuming · 31/10/2025 13:00

Is there any other law which is treated as optional?

It's always the rights and wellbeing of women and girls that are used as political bargaining chips.

lcakethereforeIam · 31/10/2025 13:00

@ArabellaSaurus your post made me feel so sad. I completely agree with it.

Unless there's some shenaniganery planned, which is possible, likely even (which also makes me sad), delaying the guidance is just the Government playing the same game that all these organisations that are currently breaking the law are. Waiting for the guidance, delaying the guidance, it's all the same. Just pull the plaster off so the fall out can be dealt with. Delay, uncertainty serves no-one. Not business, not tp, not women.

FallinUltra · 31/10/2025 13:15

There should be an investigation into exactly which organisations advised businesses and service providers to follow Stonewall law rather than the law of the land.

Those breaking the law for years, although not justified in continuing to do so, may have a point about cost of providing sex-neutral facilities. If they truly believe it is impossible for them to ask TIMs to use the mens facilities, after TIMs have believed for years they were entitled to use the women’s, the fault lies with Stonewall and whichever other men’s rights organisations advised them that Stonewall law was the law.

Those organisations need to be held to account, and slammed with fines large enough to cripple them.

WTFAustraliaThisIsWhatHappensHereNow · 31/10/2025 14:02

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 31/10/2025 12:41

The EHRC is an official part of the state, an attack on it is an attack on the state, in the past any attack on the state by a group of malcontents would have been responded to by the state in double quick time, and brutally too.

The fact that this government is not responding to this attacks shows the government has lost control, just like it's lost control of our borders, by any measure they are officially a dysfunctional government.

We're in the 3rd world now.

“Bash Back” have revealed themselves on social media.

They are identifiable, they have admitted to breaking the law, they have admitted to targeted campaigns against certain women and entities - why are they not being held to account? Why have they not been arrested/charged?

As I’ve previously pondered - who is protecting them from the consequences of their illegal behaviour? What do they have on whomever is powerfully enough to ensure they do not face repercussions when they blatantly violate the law and provide evidence of this on social media?

Who is at the apex of this movement, pulling the strings within legal, political, communication, media, health, etc spheres?

TimeConsuming · 31/10/2025 14:32

Indeed. I tagged Sussex Police into Bash Back's declarations of violent intent, but of course nothing is done to men opposing women's rights. Women touching umbrellas though? Weight of the Law!

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 31/10/2025 14:41

FallinUltra · 31/10/2025 13:15

There should be an investigation into exactly which organisations advised businesses and service providers to follow Stonewall law rather than the law of the land.

Those breaking the law for years, although not justified in continuing to do so, may have a point about cost of providing sex-neutral facilities. If they truly believe it is impossible for them to ask TIMs to use the mens facilities, after TIMs have believed for years they were entitled to use the women’s, the fault lies with Stonewall and whichever other men’s rights organisations advised them that Stonewall law was the law.

Those organisations need to be held to account, and slammed with fines large enough to cripple them.

I suspect the awkward part there was that they were government and tax payer funded. The government funded this false law to be embedded and now they can stand there and wring their hands and claim that actual law is too complicated to possibly manage.

ItsCoolForCats · 31/10/2025 15:14

I'm so disappointed in Bridget Phillipson. It was naive of me to ever believe they would take women's rights seriously.

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/10/2025 16:10

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 31/10/2025 12:22

Quite. That majority will not survive May.

That's why they are now trying to ward off voters switching to The Greens as well as to Reform.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 31/10/2025 16:12

WTFAustraliaThisIsWhatHappensHereNow · 31/10/2025 14:02

“Bash Back” have revealed themselves on social media.

They are identifiable, they have admitted to breaking the law, they have admitted to targeted campaigns against certain women and entities - why are they not being held to account? Why have they not been arrested/charged?

As I’ve previously pondered - who is protecting them from the consequences of their illegal behaviour? What do they have on whomever is powerfully enough to ensure they do not face repercussions when they blatantly violate the law and provide evidence of this on social media?

Who is at the apex of this movement, pulling the strings within legal, political, communication, media, health, etc spheres?

You could be right, Lucy Connelly was arrested and sentence to 31 months for 'Inciting Violence' for sharing a tweet, which she deleted 2 hours later. Linehan got arrested by 5 armed coppers for a tweet, this group are not only on record inciting violence but have gone ahead and committed violent acts and nothing happens to them.

What do you think would happen if we woke up tomorrow and sanity had returned and the police started rounding up and charging these malcontents. What do you think the reaction would be, especially from those on government? Especially if they started arresting them as well. 😂

ItsCoolForCats · 31/10/2025 16:40

Is a judicial review on the cards then? What will it take to get the government to act?

WallaceinAnderland · 31/10/2025 16:46

The cost required to comply with the law is £0

Facilities are already in place for men and women.

The law states that people should use the facility that matches their sex.

CarefulN0w · 31/10/2025 16:54

WallaceinAnderland · 31/10/2025 16:46

The cost required to comply with the law is £0

Facilities are already in place for men and women.

The law states that people should use the facility that matches their sex.

May be a few pennies for a nice laminated sign and some sellotape. Perhaps Sex Matters could produce some templates and we could help out?

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/10/2025 17:06

Doeas anyone think that Lucy Powell's recent appointment as Deputy Leader may be behind this? She certainly doesn't seem to understand the purpose or the remit of the Supreme Court Judgment.

Labour is now trying to fight off attacks not just from Reform , but also the Greens who could well suck up a sizeable share of their TWAW vote in the May by-elections.

Shortshriftandlethal · 31/10/2025 17:08

WallaceinAnderland · 31/10/2025 16:46

The cost required to comply with the law is £0

Facilities are already in place for men and women.

The law states that people should use the facility that matches their sex.

I suspect that most organisations are already going to comply.....but there will be a handful of predictable recalcitrants for whom this announcement will create a great delaying device or a way of further denying the inevitable.

IwantToRetire · 31/10/2025 17:18

Have just checked news feeds and not one MSM outlet has picked up on this aggression against the ERHC.

Just astonishing as said up thread, it is an official organisation providing guidance on UK equality law.

Added to which lazy media would normally prioritise something that happens in London just because its closed to where most of them are based.

But I suppose as ever, as it is just about women and women's rights isn't very high up on the news agenda.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 31/10/2025 17:19

What an interesting slogan in that photo of a trans-rights demo. “Feminism is the refusal to define a woman” plus a weird symbol. The height of transactivist wit, relevance and accuracy.

George Orwell says it so much better:
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength

LeftieRightsHoarder · 31/10/2025 17:21

EHRC guidance might be delayed for over a year

How long does it take for a committee to write JUST OBEY THE LAW ?

Imnobody4 · 31/10/2025 17:33

Just seen this long thread from Maya. This is a good point the Impact assessment has been done.
https://x.com/MForstater/status/1984245139750240519?t=g7vnhvlwyOsZhxClFMk1QQ&s=19

Impact assessments are done before new laws are passed, and one was done on the Equality Act 2010.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7ce151…
.........
But then Press for Change and other transgender lobby groups got involved and the infamous "case-by-case" guidance was added.

... with no further consultation... and no impact assessment.

Maya Forstater (@MForstater) on X

Impact assessments are done before new laws are passed, and one was done on the Equality Act 2010. https://t.co/4l2TdDP0IB

https://x.com/MForstater/status/1984245139750240519?s=19&t=g7vnhvlwyOsZhxClFMk1QQ

EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 17:39

LeftieRightsHoarder · 31/10/2025 17:19

What an interesting slogan in that photo of a trans-rights demo. “Feminism is the refusal to define a woman” plus a weird symbol. The height of transactivist wit, relevance and accuracy.

George Orwell says it so much better:
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength

Yep love that.

On the op this is madness.

Spokka · 31/10/2025 18:00

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

ItsCoolForCats · 31/10/2025 18:07

If women weny out topless, threw bottles of piss about and vandalised buildings, do you think the government might listen to us then?

What gives me hope is thinking of all the extremely clever, law-savvy people we have on the GC side - Akua Reindorf, Anya Palmer, Naomi Cunningham, Michael Foran etc. Does the government really want the embarrassment of more legal action?

PollyNomial · 31/10/2025 19:12

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Racist

Spokka · 31/10/2025 20:47

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

IwantToRetire · 31/10/2025 21:16

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

You are on the wrong board, because as feminists we know only too well that all men are potential rapists, and women are far more likely to be raped or assualted by a family member, friend, or work colleague.

You are a rape apologist for all the men in this country, of whatever racial back ground.

It is people like you who let men get away with their violence.

If you are too intimidated to stand up to the men that you know, and instead try and make out that it is only other men you are the problem.

Its always apologist and NAM who let the victims of male violence down.

Have you any idea how totally ridiculous you sound.