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EHRC guidance might be delayed for over a year

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OhBuggerandArse · 30/10/2025 22:12

Ministers really can't cope with acknowledging the law, can they?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d7cd9e2f-2635-409d-a624-a833611a09fc?shareToken=f3f89ea86fb5c264c18866395c93194d

I hope this is just a flag they're sending up to evaluate how much pushback there might be - let's make sure that the pushback is noisy, articulate and effective.

Rules forcing trans people to use birth-sex facilities delayed

The Equality and Human Rights Commission set out statutory guidance on how gyms, clubs and hospitals must judge single-sex spaces based on biology

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d7cd9e2f-2635-409d-a624-a833611a09fc?shareToken=f3f89ea86fb5c264c18866395c93194d

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ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 10:15

Okay. So the government is not going to stand by its own law. It hasn't the courage of its own fucking alleged convictions. One could conclude it doesn't have any.

What other laws are optional? If govt doesn't respect its own rule of law then how do they expect others to do so?

A reminder that 'gc' women have won in virtually every court case taken so far:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4910748-court-casesjudicial-reviewsetetas

We have the public effectively having to repeatedly take its own government to court to force it to agree to follow the law that it wrote. And the govt failing to do so.

Can we have a class action on behalf of women to sue the government?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/10/2025 10:23

The EHRC offices have been vandalised by TRAs...

https://archive.ph/dVNon (beware, Pink News link)

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 31/10/2025 10:23

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 10:15

Okay. So the government is not going to stand by its own law. It hasn't the courage of its own fucking alleged convictions. One could conclude it doesn't have any.

What other laws are optional? If govt doesn't respect its own rule of law then how do they expect others to do so?

A reminder that 'gc' women have won in virtually every court case taken so far:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4910748-court-casesjudicial-reviewsetetas

We have the public effectively having to repeatedly take its own government to court to force it to agree to follow the law that it wrote. And the govt failing to do so.

Can we have a class action on behalf of women to sue the government?

It's being repeatedly proven that the govt have no respect for the law, unless it does and says whatever matches their current agenda. No amount of law seems to be doing anything. I'd agree: a strike on another area of law would seem perhaps more useful. Taxation being one that would be a particularly sensitive one at this time when we're about to be told to tighten our belts.

Wtf should women do that for services and resources that they're not allowed to use unless they first crawl to men's inner selves and submit to being used as that man's resource?

maltravers · 31/10/2025 10:28

I thought the Govt claimed in the run up to the election that it would absolutely protect SSS. How does it square that position with “Sss (that we had until 5 minutes ago) might be too expensive for businesses. We need another review”.

JustReacher · 31/10/2025 10:30

WTAF? Every time I think this government couldn't be any more pathetic they surprise me. I think we need to keep the lawfare going. Thank god for Naomi and Ben and all of them.

Imnobody4 · 31/10/2025 10:31

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/10/2025 10:23

The EHRC offices have been vandalised by TRAs...

https://archive.ph/dVNon (beware, Pink News link)

Same lot that vandalised Wes Streeting's office.
BASH BACK, which has taken responsibility for the vandalism, describes itself as a “trans-led direct action project focused on total transgender liberation”.

NotAtMyAge · 31/10/2025 10:59

IwantToRetire · 31/10/2025 01:36

Write to your MP: the government must stand up for women’s rights - Sex Matters campaign
https://sex-matters.org/take-action/write-to-your-mp-the-government-must-stand-up-for-womens-rights/

Waste of time in my case, though I will do it yet again . Our newly enlarged Welsh constituency has a Labour MP for the first time in its history and he doesn't even acknowledge letters, let alone reply to them. He's one of the captured left-wingers and is probably one of the 50 who signed this letter.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 31/10/2025 11:05

Darlington Nurses v NHS Trust - late Nov/Dec 2025
Kelly v Leonardo UK Ltd - Dec 2025/early 2026
Peggie v NHS Fife & Dr Upton - Oct/Nov 2025

There is zero, and I really do think zero, chance of any of these cases siding with males.

They are all high profile cases, they will all embarrass the government if the guidance is not laid (replacing the hopelessly out of date 2011 guidance).

I can't see this being any more than delays.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 31/10/2025 11:42

https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/1984186826278797789

"Under the Equality Act 2006, if the minister does not approve draft guidance, she must provide the EHRC with reasons for rejecting the draft code of practise. Those reasons can be judicially reviewed for error of law, among other things."

Michael Foran (@michaelpforan) on X

Under the Equality Act 2006, if the minister does not approve draft guidance, she must provide the EHRC with reasons for rejecting the draft code of practise. Those reasons can be judicially reviewed for error of law, among other things.

https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/1984186826278797789

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 11:43

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/10/2025 10:23

The EHRC offices have been vandalised by TRAs...

https://archive.ph/dVNon (beware, Pink News link)

So these 50 backbenchers are aligned with this lot, are they?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 31/10/2025 11:48

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 11:43

So these 50 backbenchers are aligned with this lot, are they?

Well of course! Smashing up property just like pissing in the street and threatening women is all part of being on the right side of history

lcakethereforeIam · 31/10/2025 12:07

Any business that allows men to use women's spaces, or vice versa, is potentially breaking the law and vulnerable to being sued. If some no win/no fee bunch send a letter round a prison, a hostel, a school, a girl guide troop, a hospital, offering to represent anyone affected by this, they could cost these organisations a fortune. Especially if the cases being heard at the moment are won by the plaintiffs. Any forthcoming cases will have all that precedent. Reverting toilets and changing rooms back to what they were five minutes ago is too expensive but litigation isn't exactly cost free.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 31/10/2025 12:10

NotAtMyAge · 31/10/2025 10:59

Waste of time in my case, though I will do it yet again . Our newly enlarged Welsh constituency has a Labour MP for the first time in its history and he doesn't even acknowledge letters, let alone reply to them. He's one of the captured left-wingers and is probably one of the 50 who signed this letter.

Mine will have been. (I hear on the grapevine from other LA top brass he's a complete muppet in most ways not just this one.)

I haven't bothered writing to him, but have written to several others who have a reputation for lingering sanity and ethics across several parties.

WorriedMutha · 31/10/2025 12:13

Labour have made the dumbest move possible in the history of dumb moves. They had a chance to close this down, point the finger at the SC and bring themselves back into line with ordinary voters. Instead they will have emboldened the TRAs and their parliamentary puppets and will string out the issue for another year during which Sandie Peggie and the Darlington nurses are likely to win their cases with the ensuing bad publicity for the Government and their response will be to offer no remedy as they are 'awaiting an impact assessment'.
Labour have a huge fuck off majority but continue to be thwarted by a relatively small number of out of touch MPs.
They deserve the beating they will get in the May locals.

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 12:14

Theeyeballsinthesky · 31/10/2025 11:48

Well of course! Smashing up property just like pissing in the street and threatening women is all part of being on the right side of history

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The government are siding with this lot, with men, while ignoring women and the needs of women, especially survivors of abuse and assault, religious women, disabled women.

I wonder just how big a class action could be.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 31/10/2025 12:22

WorriedMutha · 31/10/2025 12:13

Labour have made the dumbest move possible in the history of dumb moves. They had a chance to close this down, point the finger at the SC and bring themselves back into line with ordinary voters. Instead they will have emboldened the TRAs and their parliamentary puppets and will string out the issue for another year during which Sandie Peggie and the Darlington nurses are likely to win their cases with the ensuing bad publicity for the Government and their response will be to offer no remedy as they are 'awaiting an impact assessment'.
Labour have a huge fuck off majority but continue to be thwarted by a relatively small number of out of touch MPs.
They deserve the beating they will get in the May locals.

Quite. That majority will not survive May.

nicepotoftea · 31/10/2025 12:24

WorriedMutha · 31/10/2025 12:13

Labour have made the dumbest move possible in the history of dumb moves. They had a chance to close this down, point the finger at the SC and bring themselves back into line with ordinary voters. Instead they will have emboldened the TRAs and their parliamentary puppets and will string out the issue for another year during which Sandie Peggie and the Darlington nurses are likely to win their cases with the ensuing bad publicity for the Government and their response will be to offer no remedy as they are 'awaiting an impact assessment'.
Labour have a huge fuck off majority but continue to be thwarted by a relatively small number of out of touch MPs.
They deserve the beating they will get in the May locals.

It's particularly harmful as the thing that has defined this government so far is an absence of leadership.

It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that 'we agree with the SC, but we don't like the consequences of the judgement' is not a policy. However, it is very on brand.

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 12:32

And today we see that Rachel Reeves is also opting not to follow her own law.

It's increasingly looking like a feature, not a bug, of this government.

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 12:34

https://x.com/ArchRose90/status/1983929554889507277

'I don't think that we can have a situation where there's one set of rules for one group of people and another for everybody else'

Rachel Reeves

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 12:37

You know the mad thing, despite it all, part of me still really really wants Labour to come right on this and sort things out and make a proper go of it.

It's making my heart ache that they just genuinely don't seem capable.

I don't want grifters and liars and crooks in government. I just want a government that doesn't get arrested for fraud and investigated for collusion and corruption and that does its best to run the country as best it can. And doesn't take bribes, whether in teh form of lobbyist donations or designer clothes or concert tickets or fucking campervans. That's all. That's really all.

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 12:38

Sorry, I'm ranting. I'll stop. It's just neverending bloody disillusionment and disappointment. I didn't even think I could GET more cynical. 😔

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 31/10/2025 12:41

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/10/2025 10:23

The EHRC offices have been vandalised by TRAs...

https://archive.ph/dVNon (beware, Pink News link)

The EHRC is an official part of the state, an attack on it is an attack on the state, in the past any attack on the state by a group of malcontents would have been responded to by the state in double quick time, and brutally too.

The fact that this government is not responding to this attacks shows the government has lost control, just like it's lost control of our borders, by any measure they are officially a dysfunctional government.

We're in the 3rd world now.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 31/10/2025 12:52

I'm sure if a group of women did damage to a state office in the name of women's rights they'd be arrested and there'd be MPs lining up to pompously wang on about maintaining law/ethics/justice/try hard inspirational bollocks.

The values are non existant. Just the mates and their rates.

HermioneWeasley · 31/10/2025 12:53

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 31/10/2025 10:23

It's being repeatedly proven that the govt have no respect for the law, unless it does and says whatever matches their current agenda. No amount of law seems to be doing anything. I'd agree: a strike on another area of law would seem perhaps more useful. Taxation being one that would be a particularly sensitive one at this time when we're about to be told to tighten our belts.

Wtf should women do that for services and resources that they're not allowed to use unless they first crawl to men's inner selves and submit to being used as that man's resource?

I love this