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Hobbycraft employee badge - no terfs, no Tories

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ItsCoolForCats · 27/10/2025 18:36

Another example of why bringing your whole self to work is a terrible idea.

Hobbycraft seems to be busy trying to mitigate the fallout, presumably because they know which demographic spends the most money there.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5359520/dundee-hobbycraft-trans-row/

EXCLUSIVE: Perthshire designer 'ordered to leave' Dundee Hobbycraft shop after transgender rights badge row

Crieff woman Rebekah Chapman claims she was subjected to "intolerance and nasty slogans" after complaining about a staff member's "no terfs, no Tories" badge.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5359520/dundee-hobbycraft-trans-row/

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Greyskybluesky · 29/10/2025 13:00

The 'type of person' round my way who votes Tory is just as likely to be a non-white person from an ethnic minority, and some of those voters are even opposed to immigration. I bet that blows some posters minds!

MidnightGloria · 29/10/2025 13:05

Saying the quiet part out loud now, aren't they?

I'm not likely to vote for someone who would like to 'keep me in line' by shaming me instead of listening to my concerns. Almost every gender-critical woman will have experienced this at some point, over trans issues.

What it leads to when you do it in partisan politics isn't that people will vote for your 'acceptable parties'. They go quiet instead. The 'shy Tory' phenomenon. Advance predictions getting elections wrong because so many people won't stick their heads above the parapet to get yelled at and called evil vermin - but they'll become more entrenched in their views, and they'll vote against the sanctimonious authoritarians whenever they get the chance.

I too had a political phase in which I was convinced everyone on the opposing side was evil, stupid, or both. I grew out of it at about age fifteen, when I actually interacted with adults who held a variety of views and were willing to debate calmly with me. It's shocking to see adults today with all the nuance of my thirteen-year-old self.

lcakethereforeIam · 29/10/2025 13:07

Weren't the Tories, at the time they were wrecking lives, inflicting austerity, bonfire of the quangos, completely TWAW?

JellySaurus · 29/10/2025 13:08

This is all nonsense. It doesn’t matter what ‘type’ anyone is, nor what they may believe. The law in this country is that you may believe what you wish, you may vote for whatever party you wish. The law is not that you may impose your beliefs, wishes or politics upon anybody else. The law is that you must not be discriminated against for holding such beliefs, that you must not be discriminated against for voting for whatever party.

Greyskybluesky · 29/10/2025 13:10

lcakethereforeIam · 29/10/2025 13:07

Weren't the Tories, at the time they were wrecking lives, inflicting austerity, bonfire of the quangos, completely TWAW?

Yes they were. It'll be interesting to see how history is rewritten there, if it's not being already?

SionnachRuadh · 29/10/2025 13:12

I wonder if Swift has ever seen one of those AIBU threads where the OP says something a bit unfashionable, like "there's a migrant hotel up the road from my daughter's school and I'm worried about her safety", and then you get a thousand posts dogpiling the OP and telling what an awful person she is, and then the vote goes the other way.

People who think shaming is an effective tactic are always surprised when the vote goes the other way.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/10/2025 13:46

Kucinghitam · 29/10/2025 11:05

I suspect that those will be dismissed as "No True Scotsman" Wink

No true socialist

HorrorAndHaagenDazs · 29/10/2025 14:50

I'm a TERF and a Conservative voter.

Nuts that the "fascists" have had 3 female PM's, one of Indian descent, and their current leader is a black woman.
Im sure Labour will catch up soon. 👌

ruethewhirl · 29/10/2025 14:51

hihelenhi · 29/10/2025 12:27

I HIGHLY doubt people brought up by comfortable middle class establishment left wing university professors are those who've "had their lives wrecked" by Tory policies. Many of those who argue for the other side would say exactly the same thing. The common ground? It's almost always class, I'm afraid. So why hasn't the supposed party of the working classes been engaging with on the ground and spends all their time finger wagging and "shaming" them instead?

If you analyse the figures behind the stats for voting intention, they are VERY telling. MOST Labour supporters these days are in the upper and middle classes. MOST Reform voters are in the working classes. Wake the fuck up. The left has largely abandoned its original voting base and has done so for years. It doesn't mean they'll all love Reform or the Tories in the end, but they won't necessarily all be deciding that their interests are served by the current left either.So what's next?

Well, I agree that Labour/the left are no longer true to their roots, it's something that's bothered me for a long time. But in talking about 'people brought up by comfortable middle class establishment left wing university professors' it sounds like you're only going back a generation or so. Although the 80s were a long time ago, massive damage was done then to working-class lives and values by the Tories, and the effects of that are still being felt by many families/communities.

hihelenhi · 29/10/2025 15:07

ruethewhirl · 29/10/2025 14:51

Well, I agree that Labour/the left are no longer true to their roots, it's something that's bothered me for a long time. But in talking about 'people brought up by comfortable middle class establishment left wing university professors' it sounds like you're only going back a generation or so. Although the 80s were a long time ago, massive damage was done then to working-class lives and values by the Tories, and the effects of that are still being felt by many families/communities.

And? Not sure the point you're trying to make, are you suggesting I'm not aware of the past? I was born in the early 70s and am Gen X, so yes I remember the 80s and Thatcherism extremely well. And yes I know. But the issue is that current (and even more of the older, I'm afraid) generations of the working classes are right NOW being alienated by the extremely middle class Labour and supposedly leftist movement who are basically the establishment but don't appear to have realised. We are seeing many of the traditional working classes starting to vote for Reform and the like.

How are you suggesting the left prevents that from happening and actually changes things? And do you think that "shaming"and claiming they are 'far right' is working well as a strategy?

dynamiccactus · 29/10/2025 15:13

I am not a Tory but I think it;'s totally unprofessional for a member of staff to wear a badge like that.

As pp's said, this is why you don't bring your whole self to work. I am not interested in your political views, whether I am a colleague or customer. It's none of my business, and if I don't know what your views are, I can't fall out with you over them!

I hope the silly woman and her manager are told to grow up by Hobbycraft HQ.

BadgernTheGarden · 29/10/2025 15:14

If the Tories made a mess of things Labour are doing a good job of being just as bad. Screwing businesses and Farmers last year, I wonder who will suffer in the coming budget? All playing into the hands of reform, who will promise the earth and also deliver chaos. Cut immigration, cut taxes, cut benefits, no indication where the money will come from (apart from cutting benefits), what could possibly go wrong. Their policies mostly suit me, if they get me out of IHT and reduces my yearly tax bill (as promised), not sure why so many less comfortably off people support them, is it just immigration and no one looks past that? A few shocks coming in that case.

Helleofabore · 29/10/2025 15:18

Swiftasthewind · 29/10/2025 12:04

The type of people likely to vote Tory and Reform aren’t the type to sit down and listen to reason, so it really is redundant. We’ve tried discourse, they just called us ‘do gooders’ and mocked our empathy, so we responded in kind.

That said, shame is a powerful tool. Rules for Radicals explicitly mentions how peer pressure and fear of stepping outside the established paradigm is enough to keep most people in line. If you tell people they are bad or evil for voting far right, so long as they have an investment in polite society, you can convince them to vote for the acceptable parties. Whether that changes their actual opinions, who knows, but that’s not what matters in politics.

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Fuck. This is one very enlightening post as to that tribalism and entrenchment.

Tell us again, which political persuasion are those who are totalitarian and authoritarian? Which political party are supposedly tolerant of others?

ArabellaSaurus · 29/10/2025 15:28

HorrorAndHaagenDazs · 29/10/2025 14:50

I'm a TERF and a Conservative voter.

Nuts that the "fascists" have had 3 female PM's, one of Indian descent, and their current leader is a black woman.
Im sure Labour will catch up soon. 👌

I'm actually not. I cannot envisage a Labour leader that isn't a white man.

HorrorAndHaagenDazs · 29/10/2025 15:29

Helleofabore · 29/10/2025 15:18

Fuck. This is one very enlightening post as to that tribalism and entrenchment.

Tell us again, which political persuasion are those who are totalitarian and authoritarian? Which political party are supposedly tolerant of others?

I think its the one that has encouraged/fostered antisemitism and misogyny, insisted that men are women if they say so, suppressed freedom of speech, while overtly calling women dinosaurs who hoard rights while their fans ban any flag that isnt palestinian or trans.

Could be wrong tho.

Helleofabore · 29/10/2025 15:46

HorrorAndHaagenDazs · 29/10/2025 15:29

I think its the one that has encouraged/fostered antisemitism and misogyny, insisted that men are women if they say so, suppressed freedom of speech, while overtly calling women dinosaurs who hoard rights while their fans ban any flag that isnt palestinian or trans.

Could be wrong tho.

I think that you might be spot on....

Yet apparently, some people believe that other's who may have a different political opinion are to be converted regardless of whether they want to be or not, shamed, or any other way demonised.

When someone says the quiet bit out loud, it is very surprising. It is perplexing that they seem to mistakenly believe that that is appropriate behaviour.

HorrorAndHaagenDazs · 29/10/2025 15:56

Helleofabore · 29/10/2025 15:46

I think that you might be spot on....

Yet apparently, some people believe that other's who may have a different political opinion are to be converted regardless of whether they want to be or not, shamed, or any other way demonised.

When someone says the quiet bit out loud, it is very surprising. It is perplexing that they seem to mistakenly believe that that is appropriate behaviour.

Absolutely.

Hobbycraft employee badge - no terfs, no Tories
38thparallel · 29/10/2025 16:02

Igneococcus · Today 12:28
What's sort of professor is swift's father? I mean in what field

He teaches a course which includes ‘How Diversity, Equity and Inclusion impacted on the Vikings conquests’.

quantumbutterfly · 29/10/2025 16:05

It is curious that a pp who talks of conversion/silencing by shaming appears to have no shame. Their posts are somewhat formulaic, but nevertheless have been informative in their own way.

Who knows who any of us really are on here...unless the mods have been infiltrated again👀.

Igneococcus · 29/10/2025 16:10

38thparallel · 29/10/2025 16:02

Igneococcus · Today 12:28
What's sort of professor is swift's father? I mean in what field

He teaches a course which includes ‘How Diversity, Equity and Inclusion impacted on the Vikings conquests’.

I can honestly not tell if this is satire or not.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 29/10/2025 16:55

Swiftasthewind · 29/10/2025 10:04

If the badge didn’t feature the bit about Terfs and was strictly about the Tories I don’t think for one second that anybody on this forum would have had a problem with it.

What is it about being GC that means nobody is allowed to criticise you?

Well you would be wrong

again

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 29/10/2025 16:58

I know that this person is left leaning, compassionate, anti racist and pro the common woman

they aren’t compassionate for a start!

Helleofabore · 29/10/2025 17:07

'pro the common woman'

I think the correct phraseology here is 'pro some of the common women and not others '.

You could also add, 'And pro some of the common women in a way that makes others who are just as tribal as me see me as being just as 'righteous' as them'.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 29/10/2025 17:08

This has got to be a wind up 😀

no one is this dense

CassOle · 29/10/2025 17:11

It's worth reading Swift's posts on the 'Met Police set to reopen 9,000 cases in major London grooming gangs probe' thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5433310-5433310-met-police-set-to-reopen-9000-cases-in-major-london-grooming-gangs-probe?reply=148148205&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share&utm_source=copylink

Their anti-democratic and authoritarian nature shines through yet again.