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Update on the National Library of Scotland debacle.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/10/2025 21:17

After the NLS removed The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht from the Dear Library Exhibition they received so many complaints The Library commissioned an independent review of the process leading up to the decision not to include the book.

This reviewer, an advocate and independent member of the Scottish Bar, was asked to investigate:

  • The process for the public nomination
  • The initial selection of items for the exhibition
  • The decision to review the initial selection
  • Whether appropriate corporate governance processes, including equality impacts assessments were followed throughout
  • What influencing factors may have contributed to the decision.

As one of the many people who lodge a complaint, I received an email today with the finds of the investigation. I can’t link to it, because it’s just a document, and I couldn’t find a copy of it on the NLS’s website, although it due to be posted there. I thought I'd post this in case anyone was wondering how it all turned out

Investigator's Summary
The process for public nomination and selection of books to be included in The Book That Shaped Me was reasonable and appropriate. The LGBT Staff Network and allies raised concerns that 'The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht' had been selected, because members considered it was discriminatory and exclusionary and involved a risk of serious harm to staff and visitors. Those concerns were appropriately escalated, and the National Librarian ultimately assumed responsibility for deciding whether the book should be included. She decided it should not, and that was supported by the Chair of the Board. That decision was based on inadequate risk assessment, informed by inadequate evidence and consultation. The decision did not uphold the aims set out in the Library's Equality, Diversity, and Inclusion policy.

By my reading of the report, it’s clear that the CEO and the Chair of the Board caved to pressure from the alphabettie Staff Action Group.
The investigated didn’t buy any of the sorry excuses that the staff gave for it being withdrawn, the report corrected a couple of what I would call lies, but the investigator didn’t, that were put forward in an attempt to justify the action.

The 2 main reason’s the Staff Group gave were the book contravened the NLS EDL policy, and that having in the exhibition would be a threat to the safety of staff.

The report points out that excluding a book written by gender critical women was not inclusive, and that by pulling the book the NLS were the ones who contravened their own EDI policy. It also stated that neither the CEO nor Chair made any attempt to risk assess the alleged threat to staff.

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lcakethereforeIam · 27/11/2025 09:07

ArabellaSaurus · 27/11/2025 08:44

What does that 'awful time' consist of, exactly? Having to abide by rules and the law?

Being told 'no'.

OhBuggerandArse · 27/11/2025 09:13

Thing is, I'm not sure they even have been told 'no' effectively. Isn't there still some question over whether the training on actual equality issues that was mandated in the wake of the independent report has been delivered/compulsory for the NLS staff who were involved in causing all the trouble in the first place?

ArabellaSaurus · 27/11/2025 09:51

OhBuggerandArse · 27/11/2025 09:13

Thing is, I'm not sure they even have been told 'no' effectively. Isn't there still some question over whether the training on actual equality issues that was mandated in the wake of the independent report has been delivered/compulsory for the NLS staff who were involved in causing all the trouble in the first place?

Yes. Board meeting is today, I hope that they will be reviewing all of these events and the serious issues they throw light on.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 27/11/2025 10:24

The 'as historians' one is particularly baffling/infuriating/horrifying.

As historians you should be insisting a library of record is a complete and accurate record. Not arguing for censorship

ItsCoolForCats · 27/11/2025 10:47

These people are ridiculous. And it shows what happens when you have weak leadership that panders to them. They will just keep taking the piss. They need a good kick up the arse.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/11/2025 11:02

That letter requires the application of Hitchen's razor, "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence". Or failing that the Sagan standard, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

ArabellaSaurus · 27/11/2025 11:54

NoBinturongsHereMate · 27/11/2025 10:24

The 'as historians' one is particularly baffling/infuriating/horrifying.

As historians you should be insisting a library of record is a complete and accurate record. Not arguing for censorship

Look, they're on the right side of history, and they're damn well going to make sure history is shaped to ensure that they stay that way!

ArabellaSaurus · 27/11/2025 11:56

ItsCoolForCats · 27/11/2025 10:47

These people are ridiculous. And it shows what happens when you have weak leadership that panders to them. They will just keep taking the piss. They need a good kick up the arse.

I think what's needed is very robust structures to ensure that NOBODY can wield undue influence or suppress other opinions. It's been very dismaying to see so many institutions quickly bend or buckle when pressure is applied. Our democracy and freedoms are far more fragile than we realise, and so easily compromised, undermined, and ultimately dismantled.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 27/11/2025 12:37

Two more entries for the dictionary

historian and ‘awful time’

lcakethereforeIam · 27/11/2025 14:01

He spelled 'anals' wrong.

SidewaysOtter · 27/11/2025 14:16

I must have watched far too many Harry Potter movies, because I can’t un-imagine WWWW, aka “that book” as one of the “biting books” in the Restricted Books section of the library.

I was thinking more along the lines of something from the Unseen University. Where’s the Librarian when you need him? He’d not have any truck with this Ook!

INeedAPensieve · 27/11/2025 14:49

Good lord these people are actually insane.
McCarthyism indeed.

And so many academics on that letter! FFS. They are being so progressive and open minded that their brains fell out.

woollyhatter · 27/11/2025 15:34

ArabellaSaurus · 27/11/2025 11:54

Look, they're on the right side of history, and they're damn well going to make sure history is shaped to ensure that they stay that way!

As a historian who was at Glasgow I can say not all of them think as one on the matter. Actually some of the important ones will defend the right of those to express opinions they themselves disagree with. No decent historian runs from robust argumentation.

SirChenjins · 27/11/2025 15:42

There's a definite theme to those names in the annals. Prize idiots, the lot of them.

VoleForceOne · 27/11/2025 16:29

OhBuggerandArse · 27/11/2025 09:13

Thing is, I'm not sure they even have been told 'no' effectively. Isn't there still some question over whether the training on actual equality issues that was mandated in the wake of the independent report has been delivered/compulsory for the NLS staff who were involved in causing all the trouble in the first place?

Nail on head as usual! They’ve been appeased at every turn.
And the ‘intellectual freedom” training has indeed been delivered but was only mandatory for managers- quite a few who are trans “allies”. There’s been 4 sessions with about 12-15 spaces in each and the caveat was “if there’s demand for more sessions we’ll run them again”. So yeah,
obfuscation at work.

nicepotoftea · 27/11/2025 17:04

SidewaysOtter · 27/11/2025 14:16

I must have watched far too many Harry Potter movies, because I can’t un-imagine WWWW, aka “that book” as one of the “biting books” in the Restricted Books section of the library.

I was thinking more along the lines of something from the Unseen University. Where’s the Librarian when you need him? He’d not have any truck with this Ook!

They have an article about their Aleister Crowley collection on the home page of their website.

Apparently he conjured up 12 Kings and Dukes of Hell while renting a house near Loch Ness and then just left them there while he popped off to France.

Honestly, priorities! It sounds as though there are much more unsafe books in the collection!

VoleForceOne · 27/11/2025 17:17

nicepotoftea · 27/11/2025 17:04

They have an article about their Aleister Crowley collection on the home page of their website.

Apparently he conjured up 12 Kings and Dukes of Hell while renting a house near Loch Ness and then just left them there while he popped off to France.

Honestly, priorities! It sounds as though there are much more unsafe books in the collection!

Haha you’re right! The person who wrote that is actually sound and she’s been approached by whatever the society that looks after the Crowley estate is but she’s afraid to turn any collaboration down lest they literally curse her/ the library. Now that IS proper scary!

ArabellaSaurus · 27/11/2025 19:39

woollyhatter · 27/11/2025 15:34

As a historian who was at Glasgow I can say not all of them think as one on the matter. Actually some of the important ones will defend the right of those to express opinions they themselves disagree with. No decent historian runs from robust argumentation.

I'm sure. I'd also.imagine a historian would question the idea that history has a simple 'right' and 'wrong' side.

ProfPerfectlySoftButter · 28/11/2025 17:16

Where might I start with a series of Mr Pratchett’s books (happy with audiobooks, too, if the narrator is good)?

ArabellaSaurus · 28/11/2025 17:19

Oh, gosh, start at the beginning! Colour of Magic. Enjoy!

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 28/11/2025 18:30

Ach no. Wyrd sisters Is the place to start

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 28/11/2025 18:35

ProfPerfectlySoftButter · 28/11/2025 17:16

Where might I start with a series of Mr Pratchett’s books (happy with audiobooks, too, if the narrator is good)?

Might I join the Pratchett suggestion discussion and propose starting with The Wee Free Men and the rest of the Tiffany Aching sub-series.

ArabellaSaurus · 28/11/2025 18:37

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 28/11/2025 18:30

Ach no. Wyrd sisters Is the place to start

starting a series of books out of sequence makes me irrationally anxious.

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