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Update on the National Library of Scotland debacle.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/10/2025 21:17

After the NLS removed The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht from the Dear Library Exhibition they received so many complaints The Library commissioned an independent review of the process leading up to the decision not to include the book.

This reviewer, an advocate and independent member of the Scottish Bar, was asked to investigate:

  • The process for the public nomination
  • The initial selection of items for the exhibition
  • The decision to review the initial selection
  • Whether appropriate corporate governance processes, including equality impacts assessments were followed throughout
  • What influencing factors may have contributed to the decision.

As one of the many people who lodge a complaint, I received an email today with the finds of the investigation. I can’t link to it, because it’s just a document, and I couldn’t find a copy of it on the NLS’s website, although it due to be posted there. I thought I'd post this in case anyone was wondering how it all turned out

Investigator's Summary
The process for public nomination and selection of books to be included in The Book That Shaped Me was reasonable and appropriate. The LGBT Staff Network and allies raised concerns that 'The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht' had been selected, because members considered it was discriminatory and exclusionary and involved a risk of serious harm to staff and visitors. Those concerns were appropriately escalated, and the National Librarian ultimately assumed responsibility for deciding whether the book should be included. She decided it should not, and that was supported by the Chair of the Board. That decision was based on inadequate risk assessment, informed by inadequate evidence and consultation. The decision did not uphold the aims set out in the Library's Equality, Diversity, and Inclusion policy.

By my reading of the report, it’s clear that the CEO and the Chair of the Board caved to pressure from the alphabettie Staff Action Group.
The investigated didn’t buy any of the sorry excuses that the staff gave for it being withdrawn, the report corrected a couple of what I would call lies, but the investigator didn’t, that were put forward in an attempt to justify the action.

The 2 main reason’s the Staff Group gave were the book contravened the NLS EDL policy, and that having in the exhibition would be a threat to the safety of staff.

The report points out that excluding a book written by gender critical women was not inclusive, and that by pulling the book the NLS were the ones who contravened their own EDI policy. It also stated that neither the CEO nor Chair made any attempt to risk assess the alleged threat to staff.

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WaterThyme · 05/12/2025 07:34

I went to the National Library last night for the interview with Jenny Colgan that Amina Shah was supposed to do. She claimed a diary mixup a few days earlier and backed out.

Jenny Colgan was excellent. Engaging, observant, insightful and informative. She takes her work seriously and that includes research and understanding her readers. Which may account for her having sold 50,000,000 books in a genre mainstream media don’t take seriously.

I was irritated by the prominent pride progress lanyards worn by a number of customer facing staff but as an adult in a library, I wouldn’t go so far as to say I felt unsafe.

Afterwards, I got the usual feedback form. It was in two sections, the event and about me to see who the event reached. The questions about me were on: Gender Identity (man/woman/prefer not to say/other); Age; Disability; Race. Not only was Sex not asked, it had clearly been supplanted by Gender Identity. That really is offensive.

The National Library don’t take Equality seriously.

ArabellaSaurus · 05/12/2025 07:38

Thanks for the report, Water. Sounds like a good event, marred by the continued pass-ag political polemic from the staff.

Someone needs to sort it out - or the NLS risks going the way of the CCA (last seen trying to signal 'help' with its eyes while performing public self abasement)

VoleForceOne · 05/12/2025 10:49

Seriestwo · 03/12/2025 08:38

Article from yesterday - this is the same open letter as last week?

Yes, this is about the open letter from last week but crucially it’s more about the recent apology to the editors & authors from the Chair on behalf of the board. Plus an additional apology for the way the NLS press/pr person tried to smear the authors when the story broke.
To-date the network is still trying to portray themselves internally, as victims.
They have plenty of “allies” who will agree but what matters is all of you out in the real world who complained, wrote in and kept this issue on the agenda. As a result you’ve made it a much more tolerable place for me to work so I can’t thank you enough.

INeedAPensieve · 05/12/2025 11:26

VoleForceOne · 05/12/2025 10:49

Yes, this is about the open letter from last week but crucially it’s more about the recent apology to the editors & authors from the Chair on behalf of the board. Plus an additional apology for the way the NLS press/pr person tried to smear the authors when the story broke.
To-date the network is still trying to portray themselves internally, as victims.
They have plenty of “allies” who will agree but what matters is all of you out in the real world who complained, wrote in and kept this issue on the agenda. As a result you’ve made it a much more tolerable place for me to work so I can’t thank you enough.

That's good to hear and I'm sorry you've been through the ringer at work over this @VoleForceOne .

I'm also in Scotland and we have also got a loud group of angry activist voices at work who push the equality agenda to focus on trans and gender ideology. The latest comms included some quite angry comments from activist staff about very reasonable, appropriate (and legal!) changes within the organisation. It amazes me how people will get angry if men's wants and feelings don't get prioritised at all times. I'll be interested to know if their voices are amplified as that's who the company usually listen to, despite it very much coming across as a temper tantrum. Sadly those who are supposed to be the adults in the room (ie Heads of departments) are also activists so no doubt will use these angry comments as a reason to push gender ideology more rather than return to more reasonable (and legal!) working obligations.

lcakethereforeIam · 05/12/2025 11:48

If I were anywhere near Edinburgh, I'd be really tempted to put on my best ally face, find a broken hoop earring that could pretend to be a septum piercing and, sympathetically, engage a rainbow lanyard wearing member of staff in conversation. I'm sure I could turn the chat into getting them to explain how the presence of this book is so detrimental to the genderborg because I haven't an earthly and I'm desperate to know. I've got a copy and, so far, I've survived its presence. I can only think it'd be quite painful if dropped on a bare foot but no more than any other book of that size.

Hoardasurass · 05/12/2025 14:40

Well I think its safe to say that the TRA staff have failed to get the book banned again even with their recent letter because the chairman of the board Sir Drummond Bone has formally apologised for banning the book and Shah is being forced to apologise and explain her interview about the book (cant wait to read that letter)

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/taxpayer-funded-national-library-scotland-36357377?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

National Library of Scotland makes grovelling apology over gender book ban

The Women Who Wouldn't Wheest was initially banned from being exhibited at the National Library of Scotland before a public outcry and a humiliating u-turn.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/taxpayer-funded-national-library-scotland-36357377

ArabellaSaurus · 05/12/2025 14:58

Apologies are all very well, but what is needed is change.

Concrete action. Genuine understanding of the issues and the seriousness of them.

Libraries banning books because of political pressure, suppression of dissent, preference falsification - its undermining the whole endeavour of a National Library.

Its not just about this or any one book, or this particular debacle - this is all symptomatic of rot in the system.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 05/12/2025 15:18

Libraries should not cave to cries to ban or suppress content. Unfortunately librarians are human and want easy lives or to avoid confrontation. And my boss justified not getting a copy of WWWW because “we’re doing cost saving measures and it won’t look good to buy something controversial when other things aren’t being bought”

Seriestwo · 05/12/2025 20:56

WaterThyme · 05/12/2025 07:34

I went to the National Library last night for the interview with Jenny Colgan that Amina Shah was supposed to do. She claimed a diary mixup a few days earlier and backed out.

Jenny Colgan was excellent. Engaging, observant, insightful and informative. She takes her work seriously and that includes research and understanding her readers. Which may account for her having sold 50,000,000 books in a genre mainstream media don’t take seriously.

I was irritated by the prominent pride progress lanyards worn by a number of customer facing staff but as an adult in a library, I wouldn’t go so far as to say I felt unsafe.

Afterwards, I got the usual feedback form. It was in two sections, the event and about me to see who the event reached. The questions about me were on: Gender Identity (man/woman/prefer not to say/other); Age; Disability; Race. Not only was Sex not asked, it had clearly been supplanted by Gender Identity. That really is offensive.

The National Library don’t take Equality seriously.

This is disappointing .

or enraging

ArabellaSaurus · 03/06/2026 13:32

At last, the minutes of the board meeting from late last year are up on the NLS website. They are brief, to say the least. The 'Dear LIbrary' exhibition is mentioned several times, but there's fuck all detail of the issues given. Anyway.

I'll copy paste relevant bits:

'The Board also noted an increased risk to the Library's reputation; this will be discussed later in the meeting.'

  • Staffing and Remuneration (S&R) Committee update
Alison Kidd, S&R Committee Chair, advised the Committee has regular conversations with Library trade union representatives in advance of Committee meetings. The most recent discussion focused on the outstanding staff pay award as well as what support is available for those who may have been impacted by the circumstances of the 'Dear Library' exhibition. The Committee is aware that the Library Leadership Team are looking at putting such resources in place for staff. The Committee also noted:
  • The EQIA process has been revised and that ethics workshops and bystander training has been underway for a while.
  • Strategic Risk Register
AG advised the October Audit Committee had noted a possible heightened risk level for 'Failure to Comply with Legal and Statutory Requirements' due to issues raised in the 'Dear Library' independent investigation. However, the ongoing risk continues to be assessed as 'Low'.

ASt highlighted the following from the report:

  • The 'Dear Library' exhibition continues to attract strong visitor numbers.'

https://www.nls.uk/about-us/who-and-what/leadership-and-governance/board/meetings-and-minutes/

All swept neatly under the carpet, then. I didn't see anythign about the recommendations from the independent auditor, staff training, etc.

Board meetings and minutes | National Library of Scotland

Read Library Board meeting minutes from the last five years.

https://www.nls.uk/about-us/who-and-what/leadership-and-governance/board/meetings-and-minutes

Soulsal · 04/06/2026 10:30

Support for people "impacted" by the Dear Library exhibition! Does that mean the staff who had to move the books from one corner of the library to another? But I guess it's those that had a fit because one book, full of writing by mostly middle aged women, was also moved from it's usual place in the shelves to another room.

Just how much time and money has been wasted on this nonsense.?

viques · 05/06/2026 00:54

Another perfect example of the woke being not awoke at all but instead bumbling through life in a state of eyes open but no one at home , totally unaware of how ridiculous they are making themselves look.

Librarians scared to look at books

Rugby playing male doctors who think they are women and believe everyone else thinks so too

Former comedians who don’t realise the joke is on them when they wear short skirts and fiddle with their balls in womens toilets

Equalities managers who are not sure if they are men or women because they haven’t had their chromosomes checked

TIM who know they have a cervix, and MPs who agree that this is possible

Heartbreaking imbecility all of them, but each one puts another nail in the coffin of this inexplicable madness.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/06/2026 07:24

Soulsal · 04/06/2026 10:30

Support for people "impacted" by the Dear Library exhibition! Does that mean the staff who had to move the books from one corner of the library to another? But I guess it's those that had a fit because one book, full of writing by mostly middle aged women, was also moved from it's usual place in the shelves to another room.

Just how much time and money has been wasted on this nonsense.?

I very much hope that @VoleForceOne is being supported.

MarieDeGournay · 05/06/2026 10:43

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/06/2026 07:24

I very much hope that @VoleForceOne is being supported.

Thanks for that reminder - sending good wishes to VoleForceOne.

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