Muslim charity run

[Thomasina79]

Has banned women and girls over the age of 12 from participating. Thoughts?

@Toofficeornot yes, we know that laws for women have changed in the last 150 years! Just because there were problematic laws previously in the UK does not excuse this!

Insisting only Muslim women can lead or join a protest ignores the broader issue of women’s rights, which transcends race or religion. There are plenty of women who would want to raise awareness to Muslim women as well as men that it’s wrong to exclude women and give them good for thought to even if they don’t object.

One of the things about running in particular is that it's free. All you need is a cheap pair of trainers and you can do it. Going to a gym is not, lots of people can't afford the gym.

This is an issue particularly affecting poorer women and girls. I run, and I do so because it's basically a free form of exercise. If I had to pay for a gym, I couldn't run because I can't afford it.

Excluding girls over 12 specifically running in a public park is sending a very strong message.

And I'm not surprised that many Muslim women in these communities don't speak out. If they're happy to display their misogyny so openly and against the law goodness only knows what happens behind closed doors.

It isn't a men's race, just girls over 12. The video shows younger girls running.

We need to safeguard women's access to sports and events. Barring women shouldn't be allowed in the UK.

If you can’t understand why treating 12 year old girls the same as adult women is a problem for everyone regardless of religion or race then you are part of the problem.

This is yet another example of the two tier system we have allowed for girls and women in the UK.

Can you imagine the outcry if non Muslim girls and women were not allowed to run? The lack of out cry says it all

We have allowed it to happen.

How can we compete when introduction to islam starts from extremely early on with classes and the rules and what they are not allowed and why laid down really early on .

The only small chance of countering it would be to introduce the laws of this land into school from nursery and the rights of the child.

that no one under any circumstances has the right to take away our freedoms and rights.

If your examples aren't discriminatory then I don't see why the muslim run is

If they're happy to display their misogyny so openly and against the law goodness only knows what happens behind closed doors

This 100%. Scary to think what does go on

This.

It's normalising seeing 12 year old and over CHILDREN as sexual objects FFS. Otherwise, why the ban?

Paedophilia is also illegal in the UK, alongside sex discrimination.

Yes I had the same too in the Woodlands area of Glasgow, when I was younger. I was groped walking to work by a man outside a Mosque. I reported him to the Mosque and they weren't very nice to me. Fortunately, not all Muslims are like that.

The group running this event apparently receive public funding.
its the age rule for girls that is concerning.
excluded from age 12…..

Is it worth reporting to the charity commission like a PP said? Disgraceful that this is allowed in the name of religion.

I don't see a problem with it. The church of england didn't allow women preists until 1994 and that was because the congregation was crying out for reform.
If muslims want to reform their own religion then they will. It's not our decision. Britain has always been multi cultural and multi religion. You can't dictate to people the rules of their own religion.
If muslim women and men don't agree with it then they could break out and form a factor of islam that interprets the quaran differently as we have seen in christianity. Surely thats up to them to do it.
If the race is not breaking any UK laws then its up to them.

That’s Islam.

The priesthood is an issue for those worshipping. I think when it comes to directly impacting women and girls on an issue of personal rights and freedoms in a society which should be a given, then it's a problem.

@Toofficeornot unfortunately it's more complicated because there is much violence and fear wrapped up in supposedly going against the religion.

Dr Taj (sp) hargay is a liberal forward thinking Muslim who allowed ex Muslims, men and women and gay Muslims to all pray together but he was driven out of the UK by the Muslim council of Britain.

It's all very well saying that they can change it but why and how ?
How did we get to a point of liberation from the dogma of religion ?

It's a mens race. Whether that is justified or not is one thing, but the presence of young girls in a 'male space' shouldn't be used to claim it's mixed. In the same way as young boys being in female spaces doesn't mean teens and men get to use them too.

Indeed. What on earth is the thinking/justification behind one eye only attire?

It would be great to see this dragged through the courts if the organisers try it again next year.

Then when men push back on the array of women's only things such as gyms,yoga classes,events etc then what?
Unpopular opinion but women need to stop getting offended when men seperate the genders when we do the same.
Because that will not help women.
To want this to go to court is really silly.

Because the first is segregated by age and the second by sex. This one is saying as long as you are male or a girl 11 and under you can run. Thats the problem.

They are not separating by gender are they?

Oh stop it.

If muslim women and men don't agree with it then they could break out and form a factor of islam that interprets the quaran differently as we have seen in christianity. Surely thats up to them to do it.

That is the problem - it's not easy for women to break away.

The government knows that if they clamp down on these things, it will cause uproar with a lot of Muslims within the UK and with other Muslim countries. Muslims make up a decent percentage of the population too

How is it a men’s race if girls under 12 can enter and can you explain why the cutoff is 12 because either girls can enter or they can’t?