"Trans Segregation In Practice"

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What are y'alls thoughts on this collection of anecdotes?

https://transactual.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Trans-Segregation-in-Practice.pdf

I think that is more properly referred to as a collection of short stories.

Why is the woman's sexuality even mentioned? It seems to have no relevance. There are plenty of heterosexual women with short hair.

I think Germaine, as so often, nailed it.

You can tell the steam is slowly leaking out of the Gender Ideology delusion when even the trolls start just phoning it in.

"Many people report being excluded and
bullied out of workplaces, being forced to
choose between their mental health and
dignity or their livelihood, and fearing for
their ability to support themselves."

Welcome to the world of people actually forced out of their jobs or forced to compromise their fundamental beliefs at work, a situation created entirely by radical male to female trans men determined to force society to agree with them that they were born female.

Your rights are protected in law, thankfully, now, so are those of your victims.

These stories are all listed with the authors gender identity, but at no point have the authors bothered to find out the gender identity of the people they interact with. It’s as if they (the tragic victims) are the only special ones with a unique gender identity and the world around them is just blobs with no inner world.
Narcisists.

And it's still the violent, aggressive, perverted men who are trying to breach boundaries to get at vulnerable women.

Shocked.

Man in a frock, lying on his back in the middle of the floor, scarlet faced, drumming his fists and his heels and bellowing

IT'S NOT FAIR

while his colleagues carry on with their own work.

You know there's one other point here.

The fact that men should be separated from women in certain situations. So removing trans women from women is right in these situations as is removing trans men from men.

But we aren't allowed to think this, let alone say it.

Exactly. The logical train of thought must be if TWAW then TMAM and you'd think the MRA's would be fighting for TM to be treated as men in all aspects of law. Including always being houesed in the male prison estate. I did ask our resident Trans expert this but they unfortunately didn't answer my question.

The biggest problem TIMs have with the mixed sex loos, as far as I can tell, is that the women who use them know they’re mixed sex and have chosen to use them anyway. It’s the unconsenting women who don’t want to use mixed sex loos who TIMs seem to want to impose themselves on.

True. As I said on another thread, I'm fairly tall.

Some years ago, I gave someone a lift to the women's refuge where they were staying. It had a strict no males policy. At the time, I had short hair and I was wearing trousers and a puffer jacket.

As we got to the door, we were greeted by two female workers. Once they saw me close up, they visibly relaxed and one went back inside.

Funny, that.

Yes when the big insult was to have toilets just for terfs, and loads of women said, thank goodness, women only toilets, that sounds great, sign me up. Then it wasn’t a popular an idea with the TRAs anymore.

So unusual that OP never came back to offer an opinion, even in response to everyone who had kindly taken the time to answer his question 🙄

Yes, who could have predicted that?

I think that trying to say this is segregation is disgusting, and it's not much of an argument because they aren't actually complaining about segregation - they're fine with their being male and female facilities - they're just upset they're not allowed to be segregated into the facilities of their choosing (the wrong facilities for their sex).

My initial thoughts are that it sounds like HR, gyms etc are handling this proactively and sensitively and providing appropriate spaces. The reactions are juvenile and entitled, the very epitome of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," just go to the correct/neutral spaces and avoid this happening altogether.

It kind of nullifies the argument that nobody ever noticed and all women were fine sharing with TW.

I feel sorry for people who were misled into thinking they had rights which in law they did not have. I also feel sorry if they are having problems at work and in their social lives. But it was the misleading as to the law that caused this problem. Had there been advocation for third spaces etc then this would not have happened. I don't wish transpeople ill, I just do not want any men in women's spaces. Now that the law is clear, naturally women feel that they can object to transwomen in their spaces and organisations cannot hide behind company/HR guidelines which were never the law.
Stonewall et al could have done much bettr for transpeople than this. They thought women would roll over and give up rights and we wouldn't.

I read a few of those stories and found them hard to impossible to believe. If any of them are true, then my sympathy for the 'victims' is limited. They were lied to, and told they had rights that it turns out they don't have and never had. That must be very annoying. An adult response would be to start campaigning to get mixed-sex facilities as well as single-sex ones in their workplaces and in the public spaces they use. Whining that they can't continue to have things their own way at other people's expense doesn't make me view them positively.

I don’t feel sorry for men who thought they could use women for their sexual fetish being told they can’t.

They never had any consideration for women other than how they can use them.

I’m pretty sure the leading lights of transactual were instrumental in appropriating women’s rights, they were among the misleaders not the mislead.
It’s worth remembering that there have always been some trans identified males who have known they didn’t have the right to use women’s loos and so didn’t do it. Some of them tried to campaign for ‘third spaces’ for the benefit of other trans people - they had a petition which was linked to on the MN petitions&activism board. Of course they were vilified by ‘the LGBT community’ as ‘truscum’ and one (Miranda Yardley) was the subject of an attempted prosecution - by someone who’d describe herself as a ‘cis woman’ - for….transphobia. The case was flung out but it was obviously stressful for him.
So my sympathy for men who claim to think they’ve had rights removed is very limited.

My sympathy for them is at zero.
Especially when I think of the porn soaked individuals who targeted the Girl Guides, children in the care of the State - both in children's homes and foster care and so many other children's organisations.

Imagine being so profoundly lacking in empathy and morals that you sell sex change to children alienated from their families 😡

Exactly. A mixed sex toilet does not validate them, because any sex can use it.

As I never tire of saying, it has absolutely nothing to do with the toilet itself. It's just a room with four walls and a ceiling.

It's got everything to do with the women in the room. They are the resource, they are the prop, they provide the validation and excitement, they are the tool.

It is the women who are being utilised, not the space.

Their presence is crucial.

Hence the lack of interest in gender neutral/mixed sex spaces.

The validation and fun is all next door in the ladies with the unconsenting women.

This, in spades. Trans people were sold so many lies with people suggesting to them that everyone would see them as they want to be seen, if enough pressure was applied. By public and private agencies acting as if self ID was law, when it never was.

It’s inaccurate to say ‘trans segregation’, because we have sex segregation, and always have done. Trans people are provided for but not in the way they want. I do feel compassion that that’s hard for them individually, but the blame lies with those that sold the lie.