TRA Trolls - can we just say NO?

[BlueEyedBogWitch]

A full thread of NO’s might be more powerful than trying to reason with someone who is not interested in reason.

Just one ‘NO’ each, until they get bored and go away. Every time.

After all, it sums up our arguments very succinctly.

The reason women get “radicalised on Mumsnet” as it were is that gender identity ideology makes zero sense, and is entirely lacking in consideration or empathy for anyone who doesn’t subscribe to it 100%. Seeing genderist arguments against people advocating for women and girls, and seeing how inadequate and callous those arguments are is enlightening to many. I don’t care whether you agree, and your insults are just deflection.

Only if you assume it's neurodevelopmental, which is a bit of a leap. It's quite often bog standard agp.

Yep, similar.

My peaking was realizing that gay and straight people are - by definition - transphobic bigots or not really gay or straight.

But this was quickly followed by a week or two or reading and watching and realizing TRAs have absolutely nothing. 6 years on and I have literally never heard an even vaguely decent argument about any aspect of the ideology.

It’s quite stark as a realisation, I think.

And no trans'woman' fears going through your experience, hell they don't even fear pregnancy (but pushing a pillow up their cardigan and pretending can be a fun game to play, lololol)

Love to you, tkae care.

It's quite often bog standard agp.

This is a transphobic narrative. Please stop sexualising trans women.

Most women with Swyers have a uterus. For an academic / scientist over 20 years in you do seem to lack a little knowledge.

Debbie Hayton says he AGP are you saying he's not really a transwoman

So you support cosmetic medical interventions for people who have nothing wrong with their bodies, but to relieve mental distress?

Do you support any interventions that go beyond purely cosmetic?

Of course you are right, apologies, I am tired. I was thinking of a particular case of a woman who was wrongly diagnosed with swyers and had no uterus talking about being wrongly send to a course about IVF.

The trans movement would have been better off not trying to build an incoherent ideology with outlandish demands around all this, instead just asking for reasonable accommodations like third spaces (as already exists in many places) and legal recognition (like the "gender reassignment" characteristic in the EA).

It's like trying to force everyone to convert to your religion rather than just asking them to be tolerant of your beliefs.

To enable sexual function? Yes, of course. Same goes for people with variations in sex development.

They wouldn’t, because it’s mostly about control.

And it's precisely why TRAs hate twitter and mumset - the ideology is vampiric and dies in sunlight

Being trans is not a religion, any more than autism and the "neurodiversity movement" is a religion.

Absolutely

Why did you TRAs tell us to listen to trans'women' if you didn't want us to listen to trans'women'?

You might find this interesting, there's a forum on Reddit called r/askAGP which has a lot of males, mostly trans-identifying, who readily admit they are autogynephilic and discuss it with each other.

You deflected from this @Tandora Any chance you could answer, please?

Auto-gynophilia is a completely separate condition.

• *I don't think "gender" is separate to "sex".
• Rather, "sex", has several layers/ components (with variations across each layer).
• One of these layers is what stonewall call "gender" - which is the neurodevelopmental/ psychological aspect of sex.*

I think this thread has moved on far too much for me to keep up with, but refreshing to note that you reject many trans people's assertion that their gender is different from their sex (rather than a layer of their bodily sex, as you characterise it).

I don't necessarily disagree with you on this point (although would need more discussion than this thread could hold to work out exactly what you mean in practice) but you do realise that rejecting this widely used notion of transhood would be called extremely transphobic in many spaces?

In a nutshell.

Of course I can't answer that question - it's not the world we live in. It's a complete counterfactual, I don't have any data points to answer it.

Debbie Hayton says that he's a transwomen because of AGP. Why do you not believe his cognition of himself?

Would you agree that there is a belief system around it though? For example the idea that "gender identity" rather than sex is what defines someone as a woman or a man.