TRA Trolls - can we just say NO?

[BlueEyedBogWitch]

A full thread of NO’s might be more powerful than trying to reason with someone who is not interested in reason.

Just one ‘NO’ each, until they get bored and go away. Every time.

After all, it sums up our arguments very succinctly.

Oh I’ll go look at that. The whole thing is batshit but they really believe it.

There’s a few but off the top of my head Mead and some bloke in Ireland who was done for the eleventy millionth time (my exaggeration) for driving offences spring to mind.

This all day long.

Posters can demand, whine, wheedle, moan, rage, smear, complain and bully on here. But they'll never persuade the majority of women to accept men in places where they undress and are vulnerable or to hand over women's sport to men. And you'll never silence parents from safeguarding their children against the adults selling sex change as a cure for their teenage angst.

The campaign of bullying, threats of sexual and physical violence against women, the attempted intimidation of the population by public shaming has failed. Time for the trans extremists to accept that and return to being constructive members of society.

Leave children alone, respect that others have rights, stop mobbing and abusing women trying to meet and speak. And maybe time for some quiet reflection about what led them to ally themselves with an ideology that's done such catastrophic harm to children and young people and centred so many sex offenders, paedophiles and criminals.

Yep. It’s all some posters can do. The projection and DARVO on this thread is as I said, breathtaking. But not that surprising tbh. The thread was always going to go this way, as many others have done. It’s fun to slag off FWR, isn’t it.

Have we had ‘hysterical’? Or ‘bullying’ which really just means you’ve been repeatedly called out on your batshit women harming word salad that you can’t defend?

I think they were earlier in the thread. We’ve definitely had bullying.

Yes, agree.

Obviously, not all MN posters are cut from the same cloth, but I don't think anyone can truly - hand on heart - say there isn't an ugly, rabid, anti-trans and pro-GC sentiment here that is truly despicable.

This claim shocks me. I’ve been on these boards for years. Strong, robust disagreements and debates, yes. Repeated calls for posters to clarify their positions, yes. A persistent call for evidence, absolutely. But ugly? Rabid? Hating indiscriminately?

Pejoratives against women on a board where posters are concerned with protecting women’s rights and safeguarding their children. This is so depressing. Almost more depressing than a TW coming on here.

No actual evidence, no verbatim quotes to substantiate such horrible accusations. And no actual engagement or setting out their thesis and providing explanations based on evidence.

Just slurs to smear an entire board. Why? To try to silence women. Women trying to silence other women. Young women trying to silence older women? A niece Lydia? From Aston? Dismissing, denigrating and denying the right of women to speak about their experiences of being sexually assaulted or raped or abused. Denying the right of women to share their deep concerns for their children. Happy to disregard women with actual skin in the gender game.

This feels orchestrated. And abhorrent. All new different poster names coming on FWR to repeatedly make personal but unsubstantiated accusations.

Now that is ugly.

It’s all projection with some posters.

No. No she isn’t. Wanting to retain sex based spaces and sports away from biological men isn’t ‘hate’. Maybe for the hard of thinking. You need to try harder.

Clear as mud. So are you more concerned by:

a. The minimisation of a SA survivor’s experiences on this board, or
b. Unproven insinuations and smears against posters you consider allies on this board.

indeed! As I've said before, I think one of they things is unlike in real life, we can't be physically intimidated by men here so we can say what we really think. We don't have to humour them, smile gently without it reaching our eyes as we try to find a way past them, nod along thoughtfully or laugh dutifully at their batshit utterings in case they get angry and threaten us. They have to argue it out here with reason and evidence and the fact they can't really annoys them. You know they want to shout "just fuck off bitch" but they can't so they rage and fume and accuse but it's all here in black and white for ppl to see and make up their minds

You seem naive.

Mumsnet allows different voices, and the more compassionate and evidence-based positions dominate. Not an echo chamber.

Reddit. Insta-bans (perma-insta-bans) are instantaneous if you say anything that suggests anything other than TWAW. There was even a new "trans vs TERF" subreddit set up to allow dialogue and I was banned in days despite doing nothing more than expressing GC views in the most toned down way possible. Total echo chamber. If you take you're views from there your view "anything other than 'TWAW' is pure evil akin to actual fascism and needs to be bullied and silenced."

There is only one person who has minimised a SA survivor's experiences, and we have the screenshots of that poster's own posts to prove it. And, even if you agree with some of that poster's general arguments, a warm-blooded human being would be horrified at what they posted, and would have called them out. That is, if you genuinely care about SA survivor experiences, and aren't merely choosing a 'side' for the sake of it. Because to not be horrified and to call them out, would make you a hypocrite.

I’m not engaging further. I don’t agree with you smearing women who have done nothing wrong. Many of us are SA survivors and obviously being accused of that is going to be upsetting. I’m not indulging your unfounded smears any longer.

I have my hand on my heart, there is rarely an ugly, rabid sentiment on here. It is generally anti-trans and GC, that is true. That is the majority opinion, but only on the sex and gender board. The general boards are not as interested in the issues, more ‘how often do you wash your towels’.

There is the viewpoint of lots of interesting people, the conversation wanders and rambles, feelings are strong for some people. It’s very interesting. It’s not rabid. I’m surprised you think so. It generally funny rather than rabid. Rabid is such an interesting word to use, I definitely see rabid hatred on Reddit, have a look if you are interested in trans issues. It’s good to see a wide range of opinions, it helps you make sure you are seeing the concerns of everybody.

I'm genuinely sorry to hear you've struggled to read my, I'd like to think rather thoughtfully laid out, post. I can only conclude that that old Devil education is at the heart of your misunderstanding.

It's interesting you then choose to clumsily attempt an attack by repeatedly mentioning "normal human beings"; how does a 'normal' human communicate? I'm reasonably sure you'll find a whole smorgasbord of opinions on that one.
My style of communication is in keeping with where I live and where I was educated and, perhaps tellingly, how I was educated.
And, because I can practically hear the righteous indignation filling you now, I would like to make it abundantly clear that this is not a slur against you personally. At all. I do suspect, though, that it is factual reason that you have misunderstood me so completely.

Finally, you mention the word 'cult' three times. Aside from the delicious irony of that, I can't help but wonder if I've inadvertently pushed some button and triggered a pathological reaction. If that's the case, and it's causing you discomfort, then I apologise for that unreservedly, but would gently suggest that you're barking at phantoms.

Confusing.

Yes, we are concerned about posters who minimise the experience of SA survivors on this board. For example, Tandora repeatedly ignoring Taztoy.

Yes, I am concerned about the unproven insinuations and smears calling posters ugly and rabid and hateful but without providing evidence of any quote that might demonstrate ugliness or being rabid or being hateful.

Concerned more than what?

People who are unable to make coherent arguments resort to ad homs; twas ever thus.

Once that is clear, all the slurs and personal attacks reveal themselves as mere temper tantrums.

Same. It’s clear that these posters are getting off on feeling sanctimonious and oh so clever. Not posting in good faith.

It figures you can’t even say ‘I’m sorry you had a bad experience on the board’ but rather put the blame back on me. It did happen. There’s little chance I can find it again as it was a few years ago and there’s been many threads and a few name changes in between. I apologise for upsetting you, but there is nothing unfounded in what I say.

I see the batshit signal went out about this thread then 🤪 what a lot of new visitors

Excuse me?

Yes, exactly this about the other poster who absolutely did treat a SA survivor stating her need for female only spaces and medical care with callousness the other day, as multiple people on this thread and several others have said. This can be read by anyone visiting the thread.

And there are other posters here defending them, complimenting them and suggesting people are wrong to interact with them in a negative way. As I said. DARVO.

You speak exactly the same as the others, right down to accusing me of a lack of education. You're a cliche. You think you sound smart talking like that, but you come across as desperate and try-hard. This is a casual discussion board, not a practice area for a doctoral thesis. Many of us are university educated, however we still manage to speak like average human beings on here. Your smug tone is no different from every other anti-woman activist to come on here. We see through it, and you are only making yourself look bad.

And yes, I said cult, because it is well known that Gender Ideology is indeed a cult, as Richard Dawkins himself confirms. Have a look at what happens to people who are less than 100% on board, even look at what happens to desisters. The cult turns against them as if they are worse than Suppressive Persons escaping Scientology.

And while it's tedious being repeatedly insulted and maligned, it should be a useful life lesson. If someone makes a personal attack, it's a clear indication that the problem is them; not you.