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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Always been GC, but now afraid I'm becoming transphobic

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HouseOfGuineaPigs · 30/09/2025 23:07

I've always been gender critical and 100% in support of safe spaces for natal women only. I'm completely comfortable with being gender critical. But I'm concerned I've crossed a line into becoming a full on bigot, which is something I don't want to be. Due to my own background of mental health and trauma issues I follow pages on this issue on Facebook. I just saw one with a graphic post saying Using Preferred Pronouns Is Suicide Prevention and it made me want to scream and throw things.

I've been suicidal, I've attempted. I've battled see harm and self destructive behaviours since childhood. I should be sympathetic about the struggles people are having . But I feel manipulated seeing posts like that one. I use preferred names when I'm addressing trans persons. I am kind to them, I don't mention their issues. I treat them the same as anyone else. I will call a bloke Sue even if his real name is Bob, it feels odd, but I will do it to be respectful . But calling a he a she is a step too far. I would either use their name or use they.

Why do I feel so strongly that I'm being manipulated ? None of the trans people I know have abused me in any way. They haven't infringed on my boundaries . I have 2 trans friends, another who is non binary and 2 acquaintances. They have all been decent .

I just feel resentful that I'm being made to feel responsible for someone not taking their life because I don't affirm their identity ?

I'm horrible aren't I ? Please sort my head out !

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OldCrone · 01/10/2025 18:12

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 16:37

Makes it clear. No midwives wont be isolating trans men from maternity services any time soon as we will continue to use pregnant women and people.

we will continue to use pregnant women and people

As though women aren't people?

IwantToRetire · 01/10/2025 18:28

I cam back to this thread as I saw it late last night and it was concerning that OP had let random SM posters upset her.

But have to say just couldn't fact reading all the posts since then, and I am sure that there are many worth reading.

But see the names and endless post from 2/3 thread hijackers I just couldn't be bothered.

Hijacked only hijack threads if others engage with them.

Sadly there is no point in thinking they will have the good grace to not hijack a thread asking for support.

Hope OP has found some in this thread usefull.

Shame on those who cant show respect, even if they have had an empathy by pass.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/10/2025 19:28

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 16:50

More fool her. You really need to find an actual that states that females count as people like, too?

Jesus wept.

You were the one who claimed the law existed, dear.

Chersfrozenface · 01/10/2025 19:51

If posters make up completely spurious things to try to shore up their viewpoint, we know what value to place on every single thing they say, don't we?

DrBlackbird · 01/10/2025 20:11

Ah and here comes the false equivalence of gc=far right

I’ve said this before, it is a failure of the left in allowing gender ideology to get taken to such literal and crazy lengths that a gaping hole was opened, enabling the right to step in and claim the sensible central ground on this one issue.

The right started with a centrist position on gender ideology but are now pushing it further right and dragging all EDI issues with it. Dismantling the good along with the extreme. See Hegsarth recent diatribe to military generals. This terrible turn of events falls squarely on the shoulders of the left who’ve just allowed everything and anything to be permitted under an Inclusivity banner.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/10/2025 20:14

Chersfrozenface · 01/10/2025 19:51

If posters make up completely spurious things to try to shore up their viewpoint, we know what value to place on every single thing they say, don't we?

We sure do.

DeanElderberry · 01/10/2025 20:25

Chersfrozenface · 01/10/2025 19:51

If posters make up completely spurious things to try to shore up their viewpoint, we know what value to place on every single thing they say, don't we?

100%

I hope someone has a screenshot.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/10/2025 20:36

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 09:03

Women and girls are also people believe it or not. It was the woman and girls act 1995 that stated we also count as people or persons.

Just to clarify the post being referred to.

Namelessnelly · 01/10/2025 21:11

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 16:50

More fool her. You really need to find an actual that states that females count as people like, too?

Jesus wept.

Well yes, considering most trans activists do not actually believe women are actually people with rights and needs. I know you struggle to remember, but women matter too. It’s not just all about the men.

Namelessnelly · 01/10/2025 21:13

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 16:37

Makes it clear. No midwives wont be isolating trans men from maternity services any time soon as we will continue to use pregnant women and people.

so women aren’t people according to you? Wow! That’s bold of you to admit it.

Namelessnelly · 01/10/2025 21:15

LoftyRobin · 01/10/2025 16:41

What article?

Um…. Er…… in the daily mail of course. If you know about human rights you’d know what “article” refers to. Bless you.

moggly · 01/10/2025 21:33

We're probably all transphobic here. It doesn't matter. Might as well be bothered about being called a heathen or heretic or infidel.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/10/2025 21:35

moggly · 01/10/2025 21:33

We're probably all transphobic here. It doesn't matter. Might as well be bothered about being called a heathen or heretic or infidel.

This.

persephonia · 01/10/2025 21:35

DrBlackbird · 01/10/2025 20:11

Ah and here comes the false equivalence of gc=far right

I’ve said this before, it is a failure of the left in allowing gender ideology to get taken to such literal and crazy lengths that a gaping hole was opened, enabling the right to step in and claim the sensible central ground on this one issue.

The right started with a centrist position on gender ideology but are now pushing it further right and dragging all EDI issues with it. Dismantling the good along with the extreme. See Hegsarth recent diatribe to military generals. This terrible turn of events falls squarely on the shoulders of the left who’ve just allowed everything and anything to be permitted under an Inclusivity banner.

That feels like an American perspective? In the UK most of the big changes happened under a Tory government. I don't think it was pushed by them. The right seemed largely disengaged and it was mostly the left who were fighting a fierce internal battle with themselves over the issue. Gradually the sensible people made more ground
And it's later that "the right" (as in politicians not individuals) became involved.
That's a simplification because of course people don't all fit neatly into "the right" and "the left" anyway. But I don't think it maps on easily on a left/right fault line in the UK. There were left wing women like Helen Steele who were GC. And the first transwoman in the house of commons was a Tory. Nigel Farage has veered all over the place on the issue, but broadly speaking I don't think it's an issue he wants to get involved in as there isn't much political capital for him there.

Balloonhearts · 01/10/2025 21:38

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Balloonhearts · 01/10/2025 22:07

Deletion says it all really, doesn't it? Unless we're agreeing TWAW, we aren't allowed to have opinions.

Underthinker · 01/10/2025 22:16

persephonia · 01/10/2025 21:35

That feels like an American perspective? In the UK most of the big changes happened under a Tory government. I don't think it was pushed by them. The right seemed largely disengaged and it was mostly the left who were fighting a fierce internal battle with themselves over the issue. Gradually the sensible people made more ground
And it's later that "the right" (as in politicians not individuals) became involved.
That's a simplification because of course people don't all fit neatly into "the right" and "the left" anyway. But I don't think it maps on easily on a left/right fault line in the UK. There were left wing women like Helen Steele who were GC. And the first transwoman in the house of commons was a Tory. Nigel Farage has veered all over the place on the issue, but broadly speaking I don't think it's an issue he wants to get involved in as there isn't much political capital for him there.

Hmm.
Partially agree. It was an internal battle amongst people on the left, but one where sadly nearly every left leaning institution and political party quickly picked the side of gender ideology.

I think saying changes happened under the tory govt is a bit misleading, like saying Covid happened under the Tories. The conservatives just happened to be in power while gender ideology rose across the world. They made a few blunders on it, but nowhere near to the same extent as Labour, SNP, greens, or lid dems did.

Howseitgoin · 01/10/2025 22:59

WhatterySquash · 01/10/2025 11:50

I think what is maybe being missed with this "language is socially constructed" argument is that - yes, it is, but language is used to represent reality, as well as in some ways contributing to constructing it.

If you change the definition of "woman" meaning one of the two sex categories, to mean including its mutually exclusive opposite, men, and say that's OK because "socially constructed", the fact is the female sex category will still exist, and will still require a name and indeed will still always be named, because that is relevant to people's reality. Especially people who actually are in that category, live the reality that that sex category is oppressed by/loses out to the other one (males). And people who are sexually attracted to only one sex, which is most people. And for numerous other reasons like discussing sexed differences in medical contexts, sporting categories and so on.

If you successfully redefine "woman" to mean the ludicrously pointless "anyone who says they're a woman", there will still be actual women and they will still fight for their rights. And even those who are not feminists will join them in needed a word for what they are, and that will happen. It;s a battle you can't win, it's authoritarian, anti-reality and orwellian.

Yes, language changes, yes it's a social construct, but understanding that is not the same as pushing to change the definition of a word to include its opposite for political reasons. Language change tends to be a process of gradually shifting meanings that are adopted and promoted by younger/disempowered/countercultural groups and resisted by the older/empowered/establishment groups in what is arguably a natural process that involves a tension, but allows language to change gradually enough that it remains cohesive and generally understood.

That is not what's happening with trying to redefine a category as including its opposite.

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There's this thing called 'sub categories'. It's why the pre fix 'trans' & 'CIS' is used. There's no suggestion that trans women are identical to CIS women rather both have associations to the social category of 'woman'. Trans women do in terms of typical behavioural associations & CIS women because of biological social associations. You are suggesting sub categories are problematic because they are mutually exclusive in terms of real world outcomes but that's patently false. Managing competing rights isn't an impossibility for many issues & as evidenced in terms of women's sports being conditional for trans women, gender affirming care being restricted under research & holistic conditions, risk assessment for prisons, private rooms in hospitals & bathroom access being restructured where public concern warrants it.

"Yes, language changes, yes it's a social construct, but understanding that is not the same as pushing to change the definition of a word to include its opposite for political reasons. Language change tends to be a process of gradually shifting meanings that are adopted and promoted by younger/disempowered/countercultural groups and resisted by the older/empowered/establishment groups in what is arguably a natural process that involves a tension, but allows language to change gradually enough that it remains cohesive and generally understood."

You realise that The Patriarchy traditionally shaped language right? The idea language hasn't always been at the mercy of ideological influences is a hot one. Transgenderism becoming mainstream & changing the language is no different from feminism. They are both underpinned by a demand for bodily autonomy & self determination that's been shackled in the past by biological essentialism. The arc of history moves in the direction of liberty because the desire to express one's individualism is built into human nature. Transgenderism while being a political movement just like feminism is a logical consequence of this.

Being confused by progressive liberal social change is as old as time as conservatives are by their resistance to equality.

"When you are used to privilege, everything feels like oppression"…

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/10/2025 23:07

No, the category that “trans women” belong to as a subset is men. Women are female, and men who claim to have a “woman” identity are nothing to do with us.

persephonia · 01/10/2025 23:37

Underthinker · 01/10/2025 22:16

Hmm.
Partially agree. It was an internal battle amongst people on the left, but one where sadly nearly every left leaning institution and political party quickly picked the side of gender ideology.

I think saying changes happened under the tory govt is a bit misleading, like saying Covid happened under the Tories. The conservatives just happened to be in power while gender ideology rose across the world. They made a few blunders on it, but nowhere near to the same extent as Labour, SNP, greens, or lid dems did.

I agree there was a lot of capture. This isn't "the left was good and the right bad". But I also don't like the narrative that seems to be wafting across the Atlantic along the lines of "this backlash is just deserts for the left, gay community etc who created this mess". Lesbians and Gay men were really involved in pushing back (Alison Bailey, LGBT, Mr Menno). And there were lots of women and men on the left, far left, moderate left, middle, right who were the first to speak up. Its just a false narrative.
I dont think its was exactly like Covid. That was a virus. This involved conscious decisions and was something some people were quite heavily invested in (Penny Mordant for one). That doesn't mean I hate all the politicians etc who got swept along. But it wasn't a mind virus type thing. It was ultimately a failure of politicians that was corrected by concerned people doing good politics.

WhatterySquash · 01/10/2025 23:54

Trans women do in terms of typical behavioural associations

But they don't. Statistically trans-IDing males are no more like women in their behaviour than men in general, and tend to be over-represented in typically male behaviour e.g sex offending, aggression towards women, not caring about the feelings of women.

You realise that The Patriarchy traditionally shaped language right? The idea language hasn't always been at the mercy of ideological influences is a hot one. Transgenderism becoming mainstream & changing the language is no different from feminism. They are both underpinned by a demand for bodily autonomy & self determination that's been shackled in the past by biological essentialism. The arc of history moves in the direction of liberty because the desire to express one's individualism is built into human nature. Transgenderism while being a political movement just like feminism is a logical consequence of this.

This paragraph is so full of nonsense I'd be here all night, but to select a few:

TW (at least of the activist modern variety) are the (P?) patriarchy. They are trying to stop women from being allowed to exist as a natural category in order to prevent them having their own things and spaces. They want to dominate and invade women's lives. What do you mean "bodily autonomy" - males being allowed to shove their bodies wherever they like to the detriment of females? And you do know that phrase is also used by pedophiles, and by those who think children should not be safeguarded against having their health destroyed by "gender-affirming care" before they can properly consent.

I didn't say ideological influences on language are new or unprecedented, I said this ideological attempt to make a word's definition include its opposite is doomed to fail because its political purpose ignores the fact that a category that needs a name will still exist in reality.

No, pretending "biological determinism" means "women" don't need to actually be women is arse over tit (so to speak). We have a sex and it can't change. That doesn't mean what you can do must be determined by your sex (other than what you can do biologically, like give birth). It is not progressive to think that for women (or men) to be able to overcome patriarchal and sexist norms, they should deny their sex and harm their body. It is simply sexist because it's replacing biology with sexist gender stereotypes and making them the determiner.

The arc of history does not just "move in the direction of liberty". There are many histories and many directions have been followed including towards the repressive, totalitarian and patriarchal. Look at the Islamic world over the last 50 years for example, or the history of Russia, China or the US at various points.

The idea that individualism is a driving force in humanity is a very western one. I do value individualism myself, as I'm very western, but it's not the only view.

You're using a blizzard of sophistry and whiffle perched precariously on a sandy bed of backwards thinking to try to prove TWAW. But they're not. If you have to change the definition of woman to argue your case, you don't have an argument. That's just like me saying my dog's a cat because I just changed the meaning of cat, QED. It doesn't hold water.

WhatterySquash · 02/10/2025 00:17

Oh and "biological essentialism" - why don't you apply this to anyone else? People of various ethnicities are stereotyped and subject to prejudice and discrimination on some contexts, by other ethnicities. Does that mean it's terrible "biological essentialism" to think ethnicity exists and matters to people, and instead what should really happen is white people should be able to claim they're black because "language changes", and if someone wants to break free of a stereotype they should have treatments and surgery and damage their body to pretend to have a different biology so that they can embrace a different stereotype? Or should people be able to be proud of their ethnicity, have equal rights and be free to do what they want with their lives while still being who they actually are?

If you can grasp this, then you can grasp it in regard to women too.

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 02:58

WhatterySquash · 01/10/2025 23:54

Trans women do in terms of typical behavioural associations

But they don't. Statistically trans-IDing males are no more like women in their behaviour than men in general, and tend to be over-represented in typically male behaviour e.g sex offending, aggression towards women, not caring about the feelings of women.

You realise that The Patriarchy traditionally shaped language right? The idea language hasn't always been at the mercy of ideological influences is a hot one. Transgenderism becoming mainstream & changing the language is no different from feminism. They are both underpinned by a demand for bodily autonomy & self determination that's been shackled in the past by biological essentialism. The arc of history moves in the direction of liberty because the desire to express one's individualism is built into human nature. Transgenderism while being a political movement just like feminism is a logical consequence of this.

This paragraph is so full of nonsense I'd be here all night, but to select a few:

TW (at least of the activist modern variety) are the (P?) patriarchy. They are trying to stop women from being allowed to exist as a natural category in order to prevent them having their own things and spaces. They want to dominate and invade women's lives. What do you mean "bodily autonomy" - males being allowed to shove their bodies wherever they like to the detriment of females? And you do know that phrase is also used by pedophiles, and by those who think children should not be safeguarded against having their health destroyed by "gender-affirming care" before they can properly consent.

I didn't say ideological influences on language are new or unprecedented, I said this ideological attempt to make a word's definition include its opposite is doomed to fail because its political purpose ignores the fact that a category that needs a name will still exist in reality.

No, pretending "biological determinism" means "women" don't need to actually be women is arse over tit (so to speak). We have a sex and it can't change. That doesn't mean what you can do must be determined by your sex (other than what you can do biologically, like give birth). It is not progressive to think that for women (or men) to be able to overcome patriarchal and sexist norms, they should deny their sex and harm their body. It is simply sexist because it's replacing biology with sexist gender stereotypes and making them the determiner.

The arc of history does not just "move in the direction of liberty". There are many histories and many directions have been followed including towards the repressive, totalitarian and patriarchal. Look at the Islamic world over the last 50 years for example, or the history of Russia, China or the US at various points.

The idea that individualism is a driving force in humanity is a very western one. I do value individualism myself, as I'm very western, but it's not the only view.

You're using a blizzard of sophistry and whiffle perched precariously on a sandy bed of backwards thinking to try to prove TWAW. But they're not. If you have to change the definition of woman to argue your case, you don't have an argument. That's just like me saying my dog's a cat because I just changed the meaning of cat, QED. It doesn't hold water.

But they don't. Statistically trans-IDing males are no more like women in their behaviour than men in general, and tend to be over-represented in typically male behaviour e.g sex offending, aggression towards women, not caring about the feelings of women.

There's no evidence of trans women offending at the same rates of men. And even if there were that doesn't mean they don't share other behavioural inclinations women do. And using a 'prison' population IE an outlier population as reflective of the general population isn't how you do reliable data not to mention the numbers of trans people are so low they are statistically insignificant in terms of meaningful conclusions.

"TW (at least of the activist modern variety) are the (P?) patriarchy. They are trying to stop women from being allowed to exist as a natural category in order to prevent them having their own things and spaces. They want to dominate and invade women's lives. What do you mean "bodily autonomy" - males being allowed to shove their bodies wherever they like to the detriment of females? And you do know that phrase is also used by pedophiles, and by those who think children should not be safeguarded against having their health destroyed by "gender-affirming care" before they can properly consent."

Again, you are under the mistaken assumption (or wilfully ignorant) that competing rights can't be managed when as evidence they have. It's The Patriarchy that never provided for compromise as GC's don't.

'I didn't say ideological influences on language are new or unprecedented, I said this ideological attempt to make a word's definition include its opposite is doomed to fail because its political purpose ignores the fact that a category that needs a name will still exist in reality."

What you don't seem to understand or accept is that a sub category of gendered behavioural associations doesn't diminish the biological one. Both categories existing don't cancel each other out. You're making the absurd conclusion that maintaining sub categories will mean people can't tell the difference between a trans woman & a CIS woman when they clearly can. It's like saying 'how will people ever understand what a 'chair' means if we also use it to mean 'chair person'.

"No, pretending "biological determinism" means "women" don't need to actually be women is arse over tit (so to speak). We have a sex and it can't change. That doesn't mean what you can do must be determined by your sex (other than what you can do biologically, like give birth). It is not progressive to think that for women (or men) to be able to overcome patriarchal and sexist norms, they should deny their sex and harm their body. It is simply sexist because it's replacing biology with sexist gender stereotypes and making them the determiner."

The problem with this analysis is it doesn't comply with reality. The reality is we live in a world right or wrong where society has stereotypical gendered expectations. Trans people didn't 'invent' this broader society did. They are just aligning themselves with the mainstream societal expectations about how people should act, think, and feel based on their perceived gender. If you have a problem with that then perhaps its CIS men & women you ought to take this grievance up with.

In terms of biological determinism, there's a reason why far right patriarchal devotees are 'suddenly' aligned with (GC) 'feminists' & that's because they believe biology is destiny & GC's are their useful idiot helferin who will deliver that for them. They understand that defining traits are inextricably linked to political outcomes. IE they'd love nothing more for a return to a 'safe' separate spheres of influence because that's what the body was 'designed' for IE back to time where women knew their rightful place…in the home having white babies.

"The arc of history does not just "move in the direction of liberty". There are many histories and many directions have been followed including towards the repressive, totalitarian and patriarchal. Look at the Islamic world over the last 50 years for example, or the history of Russia, China or the US at various points."

You are mistaking the corruption of leaders for the desires of the people they oppress. Big difference. In any case, where corruption is mitigated (The West) the progression towards liberty is indisputable. BTW despite the human rights abuses in Russia & China they aren't exactly patriarchal hell holes.

"The idea that individualism is a driving force in humanity is a very western one. I do value individualism myself, as I'm very western, but it's not the only view."

Really? Is that why immigration goes in the direction of it instead of against it?😂

Namelessnelly · 02/10/2025 05:43

Howseitgoin · 01/10/2025 22:59

There's this thing called 'sub categories'. It's why the pre fix 'trans' & 'CIS' is used. There's no suggestion that trans women are identical to CIS women rather both have associations to the social category of 'woman'. Trans women do in terms of typical behavioural associations & CIS women because of biological social associations. You are suggesting sub categories are problematic because they are mutually exclusive in terms of real world outcomes but that's patently false. Managing competing rights isn't an impossibility for many issues & as evidenced in terms of women's sports being conditional for trans women, gender affirming care being restricted under research & holistic conditions, risk assessment for prisons, private rooms in hospitals & bathroom access being restructured where public concern warrants it.

"Yes, language changes, yes it's a social construct, but understanding that is not the same as pushing to change the definition of a word to include its opposite for political reasons. Language change tends to be a process of gradually shifting meanings that are adopted and promoted by younger/disempowered/countercultural groups and resisted by the older/empowered/establishment groups in what is arguably a natural process that involves a tension, but allows language to change gradually enough that it remains cohesive and generally understood."

You realise that The Patriarchy traditionally shaped language right? The idea language hasn't always been at the mercy of ideological influences is a hot one. Transgenderism becoming mainstream & changing the language is no different from feminism. They are both underpinned by a demand for bodily autonomy & self determination that's been shackled in the past by biological essentialism. The arc of history moves in the direction of liberty because the desire to express one's individualism is built into human nature. Transgenderism while being a political movement just like feminism is a logical consequence of this.

Being confused by progressive liberal social change is as old as time as conservatives are by their resistance to equality.

"When you are used to privilege, everything feels like oppression"…

Edited

No. Males are not women. Now don’t forget to change typing hands, antibac your keyboard and mouse and drink some water. Gotta replace those fluids 😋😋😋

Namelessnelly · 02/10/2025 05:46

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 02:58

But they don't. Statistically trans-IDing males are no more like women in their behaviour than men in general, and tend to be over-represented in typically male behaviour e.g sex offending, aggression towards women, not caring about the feelings of women.

There's no evidence of trans women offending at the same rates of men. And even if there were that doesn't mean they don't share other behavioural inclinations women do. And using a 'prison' population IE an outlier population as reflective of the general population isn't how you do reliable data not to mention the numbers of trans people are so low they are statistically insignificant in terms of meaningful conclusions.

"TW (at least of the activist modern variety) are the (P?) patriarchy. They are trying to stop women from being allowed to exist as a natural category in order to prevent them having their own things and spaces. They want to dominate and invade women's lives. What do you mean "bodily autonomy" - males being allowed to shove their bodies wherever they like to the detriment of females? And you do know that phrase is also used by pedophiles, and by those who think children should not be safeguarded against having their health destroyed by "gender-affirming care" before they can properly consent."

Again, you are under the mistaken assumption (or wilfully ignorant) that competing rights can't be managed when as evidence they have. It's The Patriarchy that never provided for compromise as GC's don't.

'I didn't say ideological influences on language are new or unprecedented, I said this ideological attempt to make a word's definition include its opposite is doomed to fail because its political purpose ignores the fact that a category that needs a name will still exist in reality."

What you don't seem to understand or accept is that a sub category of gendered behavioural associations doesn't diminish the biological one. Both categories existing don't cancel each other out. You're making the absurd conclusion that maintaining sub categories will mean people can't tell the difference between a trans woman & a CIS woman when they clearly can. It's like saying 'how will people ever understand what a 'chair' means if we also use it to mean 'chair person'.

"No, pretending "biological determinism" means "women" don't need to actually be women is arse over tit (so to speak). We have a sex and it can't change. That doesn't mean what you can do must be determined by your sex (other than what you can do biologically, like give birth). It is not progressive to think that for women (or men) to be able to overcome patriarchal and sexist norms, they should deny their sex and harm their body. It is simply sexist because it's replacing biology with sexist gender stereotypes and making them the determiner."

The problem with this analysis is it doesn't comply with reality. The reality is we live in a world right or wrong where society has stereotypical gendered expectations. Trans people didn't 'invent' this broader society did. They are just aligning themselves with the mainstream societal expectations about how people should act, think, and feel based on their perceived gender. If you have a problem with that then perhaps its CIS men & women you ought to take this grievance up with.

In terms of biological determinism, there's a reason why far right patriarchal devotees are 'suddenly' aligned with (GC) 'feminists' & that's because they believe biology is destiny & GC's are their useful idiot helferin who will deliver that for them. They understand that defining traits are inextricably linked to political outcomes. IE they'd love nothing more for a return to a 'safe' separate spheres of influence because that's what the body was 'designed' for IE back to time where women knew their rightful place…in the home having white babies.

"The arc of history does not just "move in the direction of liberty". There are many histories and many directions have been followed including towards the repressive, totalitarian and patriarchal. Look at the Islamic world over the last 50 years for example, or the history of Russia, China or the US at various points."

You are mistaking the corruption of leaders for the desires of the people they oppress. Big difference. In any case, where corruption is mitigated (The West) the progression towards liberty is indisputable. BTW despite the human rights abuses in Russia & China they aren't exactly patriarchal hell holes.

"The idea that individualism is a driving force in humanity is a very western one. I do value individualism myself, as I'm very western, but it's not the only view."

Really? Is that why immigration goes in the direction of it instead of against it?😂

Edited

November Oscar. Males are not women. It doesn’t matter how many words you type. All you’ll do is give yourself RSI. A woman is an adult human female. No male is a woman. Have you considered a wrist brace? Hope you have a good wrist rest.