Why has the updated EHRC guidance not been laid before parliament yet and does anyone have insight on when it will be?

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I suspect as Phillipson is in the deputy leader competition. If that had been but a few days later. (updated guidance arrived the same Friday)

That guidance being in place is the thing I and so many places are waiting for. It's urgently needed.

I thought there wasn’t an opportunity for them to vote on the guidance. It gets laid before parliament for information only?

Yes, I'm sure you're right; I think I spoke hastily there.

In any event the guidance surely has to reflect the law, which is now clear.

Lisa Nandy thinks that trans women should be allowed to compete in some women's sports. They just can't let it go!

Oh she's hopeless. And the Sports Minister to boot! Appalling woman.

The guidance CANNOT contradict the ruling.
Only by changing the Equality Act can the guidance be changed in any substantive way.

Not approved could sit in limbo for ages I suppose. Trying to be positive

I suspect we are going to see a serious attempt made at this.

You only have to look at the narrative: NO ONE in any position of power is managing to even mention women and gay rights and needs and access in all this, it's just endless waaaaah entitled men want.

To even get this into public view is going to be another David and Goliath fight. I was not prejudiced or angry in all this, but I'm bloody well getting there now.

The Equality Act 2010 is 15 years old today.

Revising it to disadvantage 51% of the population would not go smoothly.

I would really hope not.

I'd add though that disabled access and protections are going backwards - increasingly the reason being given is distressingly similar to the one experienced by women due to gender ideology, that people have basically taken the piss to the nth degree and messed things up for everyone, and gatekeeping has now had to be drastically increased.

Bits of it may also be very inconvenient when the assault on children's SEND rights starts as it will shortly, and if Reform get in this will likely be worse.

I would not be surprised to see the EqA basically be revised to be the MRA act, and MPs cheering this through. I really, really hope it turns out I should put my tin foil hat to better use cooking a MN chicken, and this all settles back to words like 'equality' and 'everyone' going back to meaning the entire population.

That is not true. The fact is there is no full on gender types in any of the big offices. The Chancellor and the Foreign Secretary are at best on the fence, the Chancellor I think from her pronouncements is a secret terf and I don't think Yvette Cooper thinks much different really.

Meanwhile the new Home Secretary said in April.

'Unacceptable' to question Supreme Court gender ruling, says minister

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjwvx1z3l2qo

She has been an open supporter of Labour Women's Declaration for years.
That leaves the TAs relying on Starmer and while he doesn't care one way or the other he will follow the public and his good friend Shabana who he just promoted on this.

There is no chance of the supreme court ruling being undermined directly. The real next battle is over whatever the anti conversion therapy bill says.

Also Louise's recent comments on the EHRC is obviously an attempt to undermine her opponent Philipson who decides whether Parliament needs to debate it [not amend it]. Phillipson is already terfy. I don't think this tactic is going to make her change her mind, considering she is already on the TA hate list and probably is getting plenty of death threats, if anything she is probably secretly reading Mumsnet right now.

Hi Bridget WAVES!!!! You know what you need to do.

There are still many gender types inside Labour for sure but they are a lot weaker, but the situation is messy and divided and the pro-women side is gaining ground. Read the Labour conference thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416076-5416076-sex-and-gender-at-the-labour-party-conference?page=1

It's worrying however when Nandy and Powell are both openly trying to move the SC judgment back from fixed (as she initially stated) into debate, and Nandy saying that she is one of the MPs pushing to debate and change the law.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5420029-trans-athletes-should-be-able-to-compete-in-some-womens-sports-suggests-nandy

@FortheloveofPetethePlumber
That is because they are thick and being misled by lobbyists.

The reality is that overturning ANY supreme court ruling is a tad tricky
and
rewriting a massive piece of law like EA2010 would take many years

https://www.thetimes.com/article/c72c2775-7063-48fb-80d2-db83fc329e3e?shareToken=3201fb299b33b3c973735bead5192874

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Which seems to make it clear that as far a Labour MPs are concerned the post powerful voices ae the TRAs. They are the group of people Labour feels they need to keep on side.

Why?

Archive link as share tokens dont last https://archive.is/mvlyU

Maybe some Labour MPs in university towns (which they increasingly are) want to keep the youth vote sweet to hang onto their seats? But the govt (Starmer) could show a lead on this, but shows no sign of doing so.

Yes, earlier this week Baroness Nicholson posted a letter on X that she had received from Baroness Merron (who??), the under secretary of state for Patient Safety, Womens' Health and Mental Health about same sex care in the NHS.

Merron writes "I concur this matter does need a quick resolution" and says the SC judgement was "unanimous" and brought "welcome clarity". But then goes on to talk about the EHRC guidance and how the NHS will need to align any new guidance with the EHRC so needs to wait for that... So no rush to restore single sex accommodation in NHS hospitals.

But worse, Merron walks through the EHRC guidance process and writes: "The Government will consider the draft updated [EHRC] Code and, if the decision is taken to approve it, the minister will lay it before Parliament......"

IF not WHEN!!

I don't think anyone in govt is in a rush to get the EHRC guidance approved. Can it be left in purgatory? Or will the EHRC get its homework returned and told to do better? Is there any mechanism whereby the EHRC can force the govt to accept its guidance?

Oh it is definitely an IF and certainly not a WHEN.

Because she knows we won’t go ballistic and start throwing bottles of piss over ourselves on her doorstep or smash her office windows?

If it means we get her as Deputy and not Lucy TWAW Powell, it might be worth the delay? Although even that doesn’t sound likely.

You're not wrong, and how grim a picture that is of where we are, and the state of civil society and local democracy. What happened to the idea of doing the best you can for the most people you can, rather than caving in to some [adjective deleted] pressure group?

Labour seem to be steering straight for the wall and standing on the accelerator at this point.

The guidance does not need to go before parliament, or be approved for the law to remain as it is now and has been for 15+ years. The guidance being approved / or not accepted will not itself change the underlying law. It is simply a mechanism by which clarity is brought to wording...

The issue is simply that too many organisations have unilaterally decided to ignore the law and are using the delayed guidance as a get-out-clause (which it is not).

It might mean that more court cases are needed to force people into observing the law - whereas the guidance coming in would probably mean more capitulation to the legal position already in force...

Exactly

And yet….