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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why has the updated EHRC guidance not been laid before parliament yet and does anyone have insight on when it will be?

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/09/2025 13:31

I suspect as Phillipson is in the deputy leader competition. If that had been but a few days later. (updated guidance arrived the same Friday)

That guidance being in place is the thing I and so many places are waiting for. It's urgently needed.

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JanesLittleGirl · 29/09/2025 22:49

This has become pure politicking. Under normal circumstances, BP would have checked with senior civil servants that the guidance doesn't contain any demonstrable errors and then laid it before parliament within a couple of weeks. Unfortunately, she wants to be the next Deputy Leader of the LP and she has calculated that laying it before Parliament may lose her votes.

Cynical abuse of power and disregarding the actual impact on people's lives in the interest of advancing her personal objectives? Surely not.

SlipperyLizard · 30/09/2025 06:09

The Social Democratic Parry has a clear position on women’s rights, but is unfortunately nowhere near as popular as Reform!

OP, if I was you I think I’d send school a letter before action, see if that raises them from their slumber (I’d hope that they would then take proper legal advice which would tell them they cannot ignore the letter or the Supreme Court judgment while they await the EHRC guidance).

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/09/2025 11:48

SlipperyLizard · 30/09/2025 06:09

The Social Democratic Parry has a clear position on women’s rights, but is unfortunately nowhere near as popular as Reform!

OP, if I was you I think I’d send school a letter before action, see if that raises them from their slumber (I’d hope that they would then take proper legal advice which would tell them they cannot ignore the letter or the Supreme Court judgment while they await the EHRC guidance).

I probably should. but then I'd need to back it up and I worry about it backfiring on my daughter, this all gets a bit much sometimes :)

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SlipperyLizard · 30/09/2025 11:53

Yes, it is hard when our kids are involved and you can’t trust schools to separate the issues out/not take it out on the child.

A letter before action can lead to no action, though, it just engages the civil procedure rules which means they can’t ignore it as easily/fob you off. You can still drop it at any time/you’re not obliged to start legal action (in fact the whole point of the pre-action protocol is to try to avoid legal action being started/get the parties to resolve matters between themselves).

But you need to do what you’re comfortable with - absolutely no judgement from me if this is a step too far.

WarriorN · 30/09/2025 12:11

I wonder if it’s worth asking to see the equality impact assessment and if it follows the latest one by the DfE?

WarriorN · 30/09/2025 12:18

Apologies, this is the one I meant but I’m not sure how useful it is. It mentions for women Scotland and is v clear on sex

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68baa90ab0a373a01819fe9c/Relationships_and_Sex_Education_Equality_Impact_Assessment-_2025.pdf

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/09/2025 12:30

WarriorN · 30/09/2025 12:11

I wonder if it’s worth asking to see the equality impact assessment and if it follows the latest one by the DfE?

the school refused to share it as they said it had personal information in it and they would not redact. Which means they did one for the trans child, but not for the female students in the school (which would be general endnote personal)

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MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 12:47

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/09/2025 21:18

@IwantToRetire It does not start until it is laid before parliament. Bridget Phillipson has to approve it for that to happen. She appears too busy downing shots and DJing to do so.

https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/1972212066447479295

So the 40 days has definitely not started.

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Can you imagine this happening if the candidates included men? Stop trying to be hip, you're running the country FFS.

MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 12:49

thirdfiddle · 28/09/2025 21:41

I think the problem with school, particularly Brighton schools is they're going to have a massive amount of egg on their faces. They've been teaching kids that anyone is whatever sex they say they are and can use whichever changing rooms they like. They've possibly been disciplining kids for saying otherwise. They're hoping against hope that something will change, a TRA will get power in government or at the EHRC and find a way to twist it so the guidance can remain sufficiently unclear that they can justify not changing anything.

Cos when they do change it they'll have half the student body that they've successfully trained up in transgenderism in riot because their ideology is now being contradicted, and the other half in riot because teachers are now saying the things the same teachers have bullied them out of saying.

Play stupid games as they say...

I hope they all sue Stonewall.

I don't understand why Stonewall isn't tied up in court with dozens of cases already. Allison Bailey's chambers for a start.

MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 13:07

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/09/2025 20:32

I’ve mentioned this before but I don’t think 2029 is the year of the next election. Most likely 2027. Possibly 2026.

that’s not the point however. The highest polling party, has a clear position on this. And it does not help Labour to oppose it.

Labour will not go to the polls before 2029 unless they are convinced they will win the election. With a huge majority they have no need to go to the country. Even a confidence vote would be won easily.

They have a lot of policies to implement and won't risk those falling. Even if the polls swing back in favour in 2027, say, they would be returned with a reduced majority. The earliest we will see another election will be 2028 and only then if they are guaranteed to win.

The majority of the Labour Party members are women, who will welcome the guidance, so BP may lay the guidance before Parliament during the contest. She is very unlikely to win the contest anyway as the smart money is on Lucy Powell, so she has nothing to lose.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/09/2025 13:20

MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 13:07

Labour will not go to the polls before 2029 unless they are convinced they will win the election. With a huge majority they have no need to go to the country. Even a confidence vote would be won easily.

They have a lot of policies to implement and won't risk those falling. Even if the polls swing back in favour in 2027, say, they would be returned with a reduced majority. The earliest we will see another election will be 2028 and only then if they are guaranteed to win.

The majority of the Labour Party members are women, who will welcome the guidance, so BP may lay the guidance before Parliament during the contest. She is very unlikely to win the contest anyway as the smart money is on Lucy Powell, so she has nothing to lose.

Thats not how it works, events often over take incumbent governments and they are forced to run an early election for a dozen different feasible reasons.

I don't want to get bogged down in that, and we will, but suffice to say I believe there to be a more than 50/50 chance of an election prior to 2029

Powell is 56% to Phillipson 44% as of yesterday
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/09/29/a-bridget-too-far/

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MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 13:30

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/09/2025 13:20

Thats not how it works, events often over take incumbent governments and they are forced to run an early election for a dozen different feasible reasons.

I don't want to get bogged down in that, and we will, but suffice to say I believe there to be a more than 50/50 chance of an election prior to 2029

Powell is 56% to Phillipson 44% as of yesterday
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/09/29/a-bridget-too-far/

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The last time Labour had a stonking majority, they waited four years 1997-2001, slightly delayed by the foot and mouth outbreak. Then another four years from 2001-2005, where they won another landslide majority, albeit less than 1997, then to almost the five year limit to 2010 because they knew they would lose.

Later elections were dictated by the change in the law to fixed term parliaments (which Boris Johnson got rid of), and Theresa May being an idiot. The Tories are not Labour.

Labour won't call an election until 2028 at the earliest.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/09/2025 13:40

MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 13:30

The last time Labour had a stonking majority, they waited four years 1997-2001, slightly delayed by the foot and mouth outbreak. Then another four years from 2001-2005, where they won another landslide majority, albeit less than 1997, then to almost the five year limit to 2010 because they knew they would lose.

Later elections were dictated by the change in the law to fixed term parliaments (which Boris Johnson got rid of), and Theresa May being an idiot. The Tories are not Labour.

Labour won't call an election until 2028 at the earliest.

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They might not have a choice. There are so many ways that could happen. But. Let's not derail.

Anyway. Phillipson not being the favourite and her odds shrinking by the day, you would think she would perhaps do something big to try and swing the momentum.... maybe she will take a punt on approving the guidance

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Talkinpeace · 30/09/2025 14:06

Phillipson can do nothing until Parliament is back in session

Its sunny. Enjoy that for now.

Talkinpeace · 30/09/2025 19:47

Which is nice
but the Supreme Court ruling still stands

too many politicians are hard of thinking nowadays

moto748e · 30/09/2025 19:50

She's just making the kind of noises that are expected of her, surely? She can huff and puff all she likes, but the House isn't going to change the law.

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 30/09/2025 20:12

TonTonMacoute · 30/09/2025 19:37

Lucy Powell, also a candidate for deputy leader thinks the guidance is very unfair on trans women 🙄

New trans rules go too far, says Labour deputy leadership frontrunner
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/30/trans-rules-wrong-labour-deputy-contender/

Yes. It's dreadful that women have rights. Women should have to provide non consenting access to their bodies to men. This is Fair.

Apparently.

If you're absolutely off your nut.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/09/2025 20:46

Powell is apparently favourite to be deputy leader 🤦🏻‍♀️

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/09/2025 20:57

moto748e · 30/09/2025 19:50

She's just making the kind of noises that are expected of her, surely? She can huff and puff all she likes, but the House isn't going to change the law.

Law no, guidance, possibly.

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BundleBoogie · 30/09/2025 21:10

MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 12:47

Can you imagine this happening if the candidates included men? Stop trying to be hip, you're running the country FFS.

Wow! I’ve just cringed so badly I put my back out.

What are they thinking??

Talkinpeace · 30/09/2025 21:39

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/09/2025 20:57

Law no, guidance, possibly.

The guidance cannot contradict the ruling.

The ruling is utterly clear

turkeyboots · 30/09/2025 21:51

The House can change the law, its the main point of Parliament. But opening the Equality Act would be a major event, would be politically and financially expensive and would cause chaos. The Government aren't inclined to lean into that own goal right now. They have bigger issues.

moto748e · 30/09/2025 22:30

I suppose the House could vote to refuse (or amend) the guidance, but would there even be a majority for that? Starmer must be hating this.

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