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Violent threats to GC women and why they're important

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MusettasWaltz · 28/09/2025 03:42

I'm at uni & try and raise GC issues quietly with people likely to respond. Recently, I've been trying to explain to a male acquaintance how serious the abuse is that GC women have been through.

I showed him the website 'TERF is a slur' and similar. He thought it was vile & is GC himself, however he didn't seem to fully understand how serious that kind of stuff is. He argued that there are all kinds of antisocial weirdos online who throw vile threats around & that also a lot of trolls say exaggeratedly horrible stuff just to get a reaction, and that both types are rarely dangerous IRL.

He also argued that male public figures get trolled as much as women but that it's presented as more of a threat when it happens to women. He argued that men often banter via insults etc & male-heavy online spaces like gaming are full of violent/abusive messages, so male figures are more likely to shrug off trolling & perhaps report less.

Frankly this sounded manosphere-y almost to me though I didn' say it. I don't think women' fear of trolling is bc of thin skins- women face tangible harm irl from men, esp outspoken women.

I want to challenge this, and I think it's important to raise awareness more widely. What evidence do we have that the online abuse is not just weird trolls but has affected the public sphere?

I know there was the horrible murder at Michfest. Then physical threats to Posie Parker in Oz at rallies. What other instances of TRA violence spilling over into real life are there?

Obvs the recent terrible shootings in America are evidence of trans ideology & people related to it having radicalising effects. But I'm thinking more of instances in UK & involving GC women who've spoken out.

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NeonFish · 03/10/2025 12:39

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 12:22

So much evidently goes over your head that I recommend you take up limbo dancing as a professional.

I am perfectly content with the veracity and accuracy of posts I've made on this thread. Fortunately for me, I don't need to justify them to somebody of your... particular belief system.

In other words you were called out but have no argument at all. You don't like that you were called out for tone-policing. You don't like that I called out your lack of understanding of what 'fascism' is (and no, it does not mean any bolshie feminist that disagrees with you). You don't like that you can't provide one (1) example of 'hate speech' from her.

your... particular belief system.

You mean my belief system that the female sex exists, and has human rights, and that rape survivors like me have a right to safe single sex spaces.

Where as your.... particular belief system would see every single gain feminists made stripped away, and rape survivors like myself with no single sex space at all. Trust me, we all know what your hateful.... belief system is. And it speaks volumes for how little you see the female sex as human.

You could just save time and admit I called you out for your lies, ignorance and misogyny, because you are not convincing anyone. Your non-answer is all the evidence we need.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/10/2025 12:44

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 09:25

Absolutely. And, as I made abundantly clear, I do not condone or support violence toward anyone for any reason.

My point was rather about the dangers of misinterpreting at least a portion of the anger toward her and assuming, erroneously, that those against her were doing so because they were misogynistic. That not only ins't true, but it veers dangerously close to reinforcing tribalistic thinking, which is as unhelpful as it is unwelcome.

It’s progress that we both agree that a considerable number of “trans rights” activists are selfish, narcissistic, violent fantasists who pose a credible threat to women, even ones you disapprove of, I suppose.

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 12:50

NeonFish · 03/10/2025 12:39

In other words you were called out but have no argument at all. You don't like that you were called out for tone-policing. You don't like that I called out your lack of understanding of what 'fascism' is (and no, it does not mean any bolshie feminist that disagrees with you). You don't like that you can't provide one (1) example of 'hate speech' from her.

your... particular belief system.

You mean my belief system that the female sex exists, and has human rights, and that rape survivors like me have a right to safe single sex spaces.

Where as your.... particular belief system would see every single gain feminists made stripped away, and rape survivors like myself with no single sex space at all. Trust me, we all know what your hateful.... belief system is. And it speaks volumes for how little you see the female sex as human.

You could just save time and admit I called you out for your lies, ignorance and misogyny, because you are not convincing anyone. Your non-answer is all the evidence we need.

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Once again, perhaps a little more simply for you this time, you have - as, from looking over some of your other posts on other thread, you so often do - completely misunderstood the point being made and, being a self-appointed moral guardian, decided to attack the poster.

In this specific case you have taken issue with my condemnation of a well-documented figure, PP, who has a long history of toxic, divisive behaviour and a very well documented support for the far right. As I stated very clearly in my opening post - that's the one you didn't bother to read properly, by the way - she is on record in her support for Tommy Robinson.

That you take issue with my condemnation of a person who actively supports people like that says a whole lot more about you than it does about me.
But I am wholly unsurprised by your embarrassing little outburst. I can see very clearly that this is not your first rodeo, so to speak.

The only truly regrettable aspect of your presence here is your attempt to derail the thread, in light of which I - and I would recommend others - cease acknowledging you.
If you'd like to continue your rant over my condemnation of a woman you hero-worship and who's support of far-right extremists you evidently approve then I recommend you send me a PM where I shall be perfectly delighted to enlighten you.

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 12:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/10/2025 12:44

It’s progress that we both agree that a considerable number of “trans rights” activists are selfish, narcissistic, violent fantasists who pose a credible threat to women, even ones you disapprove of, I suppose.

Absolutely agree. Extremist behaviour - see my recent interaction for an example - is never welcome, and should always be called out and condemned.

Some TRAs are, in my view, utterly morally bankrupt in their belief systems and actions that those systems endorse. The 'TERF is a slur' website is a horrific, if fitting, example of the lengths to which some people go when they succumb to tribalistic thinking.

NeonFish · 03/10/2025 12:56

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 12:50

Once again, perhaps a little more simply for you this time, you have - as, from looking over some of your other posts on other thread, you so often do - completely misunderstood the point being made and, being a self-appointed moral guardian, decided to attack the poster.

In this specific case you have taken issue with my condemnation of a well-documented figure, PP, who has a long history of toxic, divisive behaviour and a very well documented support for the far right. As I stated very clearly in my opening post - that's the one you didn't bother to read properly, by the way - she is on record in her support for Tommy Robinson.

That you take issue with my condemnation of a person who actively supports people like that says a whole lot more about you than it does about me.
But I am wholly unsurprised by your embarrassing little outburst. I can see very clearly that this is not your first rodeo, so to speak.

The only truly regrettable aspect of your presence here is your attempt to derail the thread, in light of which I - and I would recommend others - cease acknowledging you.
If you'd like to continue your rant over my condemnation of a woman you hero-worship and who's support of far-right extremists you evidently approve then I recommend you send me a PM where I shall be perfectly delighted to enlighten you.

Oh look, more smug word salad that says nothing and provides no proof to back up any of your laughable and erroneous claims. You can waffle as much as you want, you can scream that feminists and women are 'toxic' and 'divisive' for defending our rights without extrapolation. You can rant while accusing others of ranting. All it shows is that you cannot back up your lies or misogyny. We all see you. Sir you are not half as smart as you think you are. Since arriving here a couple of days ago you've done nothing but go to FWR and make post after post on several threads tell us feminists why we're wrong. Reddit MTF must be pretty boring right now.

womanchester · 03/10/2025 12:56

she is on record in her support for Tommy Robinson.

Why is that a problem? The majority of women support him.

FranticFrankie · 03/10/2025 13:54

And not only are certain posters telling women they're wrong or 'toxic' they're throwing the odd insult or nasty dig into the mix qwith their posts.
What happened to female solidarity?
Are we not all working towards the same goal?
Anyone who attacks women physically or verbally for defending hard- won rights is a misogynist.

FranticFrankie · 03/10/2025 13:55

Apologies for random q there- posted too soon. 🙄

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 14:28

womanchester · 03/10/2025 12:56

she is on record in her support for Tommy Robinson.

Why is that a problem? The majority of women support him.

The majority of women support a far-right extremist who has multiple criminal convictions which include, but are not limited to, violence, financial, fraud, immigration frauds, cocaine possession, stalking a female journalist and was found in legal contempt of court in a grooming gang case.

That's the Tommy Robinson you assert "The majority of women support"? I don't believe that for a moment and, tellingly, neither do you.

NebulousSadTimes · 03/10/2025 14:29

womanchester · 03/10/2025 12:56

she is on record in her support for Tommy Robinson.

Why is that a problem? The majority of women support him.

Bollocks.

womanchester · 03/10/2025 14:47

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 14:28

The majority of women support a far-right extremist who has multiple criminal convictions which include, but are not limited to, violence, financial, fraud, immigration frauds, cocaine possession, stalking a female journalist and was found in legal contempt of court in a grooming gang case.

That's the Tommy Robinson you assert "The majority of women support"? I don't believe that for a moment and, tellingly, neither do you.

When did wanting to protect women and girls become far-right?

As far as I know the majority of women want to protect women and girls just like Tommy Robinson ceaselessly campaigns for.

For a long time him and Julie Bindel were two of only a few people bringing attention to the muslim rape gangs invading our shores, this is now manistream thanks to their tireless efforts.

NebulousSadTimes · 03/10/2025 14:51

I suspect Tommy Robinson was more concerned about the ethnicity/religion of the rapists than their behaviour or victims.

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 15:26

NebulousSadTimes · 03/10/2025 14:51

I suspect Tommy Robinson was more concerned about the ethnicity/religion of the rapists than their behaviour or victims.

Correct. I believe the Contempt of Court charge in the grooming case was due to him hurling anti-Muslim slurs whilst the Jury were still deliberating.

Given his (many) other criminal convictions, I have grave doubts that Mr Robinson is standing up for women and girls at all, despite some of the topical slogans he and his followers like to hijack. It's not unlike daubing roundabouts under the claim you are simply being patriotic.

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 15:36

womanchester · 03/10/2025 14:47

When did wanting to protect women and girls become far-right?

As far as I know the majority of women want to protect women and girls just like Tommy Robinson ceaselessly campaigns for.

For a long time him and Julie Bindel were two of only a few people bringing attention to the muslim rape gangs invading our shores, this is now manistream thanks to their tireless efforts.

At no point have I suggested that protecting, or the desire to protect, women and girls is far-right. You are confusing feminism with fascism again.

In my opening post on this thread I stated, and I quote:

It is extremely pernicious to witness these attacks and then twist them to suit our own ideology by concluding she must have been attacked because of her beliefs; the implication being that all those who stand up and condemn PP as a fascist simply must be misogynistic. That is simply not the case.

I further stated, predicting that people like you would post exactly as you have, that:

For clarity, and for the benefit of the confused who I can practically hear pricking up their ears and working themselves into a fury of righteous indignation at me, I do not condone, support, or dismiss violence or violent actions against anyone, regardless of the situation.

I really, really shouldn't have to explain things like this to you - nobody should - but it simply is a fact that your blinkered, two-dimensional view is at odds with the reality of the situation.
I understand that accepting the world is non-binary sends you into apoplectic rage, but it so, so important that we understand nuance in cases where emotions run hot. By not doing so, as I have said - repeatedly - we lapse into tribalistic thinking.

For the final time, for you, I will repeat what I have said all along. I do not condone, by anyone and under any circumstances, violence toward women, girls, or even your beloved Tommy Robinson for that matter.
My functional moral compass and fierce opposition to extremism does not make me anti-feminist. At all.

I hope that helps clear things up for you.

CleopatraSelene · 03/10/2025 15:36

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 15:26

Correct. I believe the Contempt of Court charge in the grooming case was due to him hurling anti-Muslim slurs whilst the Jury were still deliberating.

Given his (many) other criminal convictions, I have grave doubts that Mr Robinson is standing up for women and girls at all, despite some of the topical slogans he and his followers like to hijack. It's not unlike daubing roundabouts under the claim you are simply being patriotic.

Yes, he's no friend to women, or others for that matter. What he did to this poor man & his granddaughter was disgusting.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters&ved=2ahUKEwjG89yZoIiQAxW8W0EAHc42E1sQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2J_14hm9agVSqhNlL4rgxC

https://www.google.com/url?opi=89978449&rct=j&sa=t&source=web&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2025%2Faug%2F20%2Ffamily-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters&usg=AOvVaw2J_14hm9agVSqhNlL4rgxC&ved=2ahUKEwjG89yZoIiQAxW8W0EAHc42E1sQFnoECA4QAQ

ItsBoots · 03/10/2025 15:42

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CleopatraSelene · 03/10/2025 15:43

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 15:36

At no point have I suggested that protecting, or the desire to protect, women and girls is far-right. You are confusing feminism with fascism again.

In my opening post on this thread I stated, and I quote:

It is extremely pernicious to witness these attacks and then twist them to suit our own ideology by concluding she must have been attacked because of her beliefs; the implication being that all those who stand up and condemn PP as a fascist simply must be misogynistic. That is simply not the case.

I further stated, predicting that people like you would post exactly as you have, that:

For clarity, and for the benefit of the confused who I can practically hear pricking up their ears and working themselves into a fury of righteous indignation at me, I do not condone, support, or dismiss violence or violent actions against anyone, regardless of the situation.

I really, really shouldn't have to explain things like this to you - nobody should - but it simply is a fact that your blinkered, two-dimensional view is at odds with the reality of the situation.
I understand that accepting the world is non-binary sends you into apoplectic rage, but it so, so important that we understand nuance in cases where emotions run hot. By not doing so, as I have said - repeatedly - we lapse into tribalistic thinking.

For the final time, for you, I will repeat what I have said all along. I do not condone, by anyone and under any circumstances, violence toward women, girls, or even your beloved Tommy Robinson for that matter.
My functional moral compass and fierce opposition to extremism does not make me anti-feminist. At all.

I hope that helps clear things up for you.

👏 👏 👏 👏
I'd rather think of the brave women, for one, who helped expose it : Bindel, MP Anne Cryer, the social worker Sara Rowbotham,

The Muslim Women's Network have also spoken out on the abuse of Muslim girls ( even more hidden )& Sikh organisations have been excellent.

Yasmin Alibhai - Brown has written very well on the gangs & Muslim misogyny more generally.

CleopatraSelene · 03/10/2025 15:46

FranticFrankie · 03/10/2025 13:54

And not only are certain posters telling women they're wrong or 'toxic' they're throwing the odd insult or nasty dig into the mix qwith their posts.
What happened to female solidarity?
Are we not all working towards the same goal?
Anyone who attacks women physically or verbally for defending hard- won rights is a misogynist.

I'm not criticising GC campaigning, I am GC to the hilt.

TR is separate & we are entitled to criticise that.

It's stupid & patronising to say criticising a woman is misogynistic. People were pulling that on a thread to defend Emma Watson & it's just as wrong here.

CleopatraSelene · 03/10/2025 15:47

NeonFish · 03/10/2025 12:56

Oh look, more smug word salad that says nothing and provides no proof to back up any of your laughable and erroneous claims. You can waffle as much as you want, you can scream that feminists and women are 'toxic' and 'divisive' for defending our rights without extrapolation. You can rant while accusing others of ranting. All it shows is that you cannot back up your lies or misogyny. We all see you. Sir you are not half as smart as you think you are. Since arriving here a couple of days ago you've done nothing but go to FWR and make post after post on several threads tell us feminists why we're wrong. Reddit MTF must be pretty boring right now.

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Why does someone who disagrees have to be a man? Very silly.

NeonFish · 03/10/2025 15:53

CleopatraSelene · 03/10/2025 15:47

Why does someone who disagrees have to be a man? Very silly.

Have a look at the language and syntax they use. It's identical to Howse, Christinapple, ButterflyHatch and every other male who comes on here with smug word salad. It's a trait. It's recognisable from space. The poster said women like PP who are assertive and a bit bolshie and angry are 'toxic'. They tone-police. Which is the hallmark of male trolls we've had on here in the past. They wrongly claim PP is 'far right'. They accused her, without being able to back it up, of 'hate speech'.

All because a woman wouldn't be meek and mild and sit down and be silent. All because she defended womens rights.

I've been around here in some form or another for years. I recognise the gaslighting schtick of these male activists. We weren't all brought down in the last shower.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 03/10/2025 15:56

NeonFish · 03/10/2025 12:56

Oh look, more smug word salad that says nothing and provides no proof to back up any of your laughable and erroneous claims. You can waffle as much as you want, you can scream that feminists and women are 'toxic' and 'divisive' for defending our rights without extrapolation. You can rant while accusing others of ranting. All it shows is that you cannot back up your lies or misogyny. We all see you. Sir you are not half as smart as you think you are. Since arriving here a couple of days ago you've done nothing but go to FWR and make post after post on several threads tell us feminists why we're wrong. Reddit MTF must be pretty boring right now.

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Since arriving here a couple of days ago you've done nothing but go to FWR and make post after post on several threads tell us feminists why we're wrong. Reddit MTF must be pretty boring right now.

poppys mansplaining word salad style is very familiar. I don't think Poppy is a new arrival

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 03/10/2025 16:24

NeonFish · 03/10/2025 15:53

Have a look at the language and syntax they use. It's identical to Howse, Christinapple, ButterflyHatch and every other male who comes on here with smug word salad. It's a trait. It's recognisable from space. The poster said women like PP who are assertive and a bit bolshie and angry are 'toxic'. They tone-police. Which is the hallmark of male trolls we've had on here in the past. They wrongly claim PP is 'far right'. They accused her, without being able to back it up, of 'hate speech'.

All because a woman wouldn't be meek and mild and sit down and be silent. All because she defended womens rights.

I've been around here in some form or another for years. I recognise the gaslighting schtick of these male activists. We weren't all brought down in the last shower.

That. ^^

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/10/2025 16:25

I agree @NeonFish

CleopatraSelene · 03/10/2025 17:09

NeonFish · 03/10/2025 15:53

Have a look at the language and syntax they use. It's identical to Howse, Christinapple, ButterflyHatch and every other male who comes on here with smug word salad. It's a trait. It's recognisable from space. The poster said women like PP who are assertive and a bit bolshie and angry are 'toxic'. They tone-police. Which is the hallmark of male trolls we've had on here in the past. They wrongly claim PP is 'far right'. They accused her, without being able to back it up, of 'hate speech'.

All because a woman wouldn't be meek and mild and sit down and be silent. All because she defended womens rights.

I've been around here in some form or another for years. I recognise the gaslighting schtick of these male activists. We weren't all brought down in the last shower.

I wonder if they have same style bc they're all the same man..🤔

ThisPeppyGreenCritic · 03/10/2025 17:16

CleopatraSelene · 03/10/2025 17:09

I wonder if they have same style bc they're all the same man..🤔

An interesting idea (and I do take slight affront to the presumption I'm male (although, interestingly, would that really matter? Can men ever be true feminists despite not having our lived experience? Maybe that's worth a separate thread?)), but I don't think it really holds any water.

I've no doubt that the technical wizards at MNHQ are able to compare the logins of myself, Howse, Christinapple, and ButterflyHatch and will see that we are really, really not the same person.