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Richard Dawkin's new book warns against denial of scientific truth by ‘astonishingly vicious’ trans activists and other threats on science

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IwantToRetire · 25/09/2025 18:02

In The War on Science, Dawkins joins several scientists and philosophers contending that academic freedom and truth in universities was being stifled by diversity, equity and inclusion policies that promoted falsehoods under the banner of social justice.

“I draw the line at the belligerent slogan ‘trans women are women’ because it is scientifically false,” he said. “When taken literally, it can infringe the rights of other people, especially women.

“It logically entails the right to enter women’s sporting events, women’s changing rooms, women’s prisons and so on.

“So powerful has this postmodern counter-factualism become, that newspapers refer to ‘her penis’ as a matter of unremarked routine.”

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/25/richard-dawkins-trans-women-slogan-scientifically-false/ and at https://archive.is/zAFxS

Richard Dawkin's new book warns against denial of scientific truth by ‘astonishingly vicious’ trans activists and other threats on science
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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 11:16

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:15

Housing as in prisons, hospitals, hostels.

Compromises as in some trans women can compete in sports if they can prove they don't have a male advantage, the provision of separate unisex loos etc, private rooms in hospitals, & housing that won't put trans at risk in prisons.

They’re men, so it’s still no.

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:16

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/09/2025 11:13

So it’s some sort of analysis of life experience that decides if you belong in the ladies lavs now?

According to a senile Greer? Yes.

Greyskybluesky · 26/09/2025 11:17

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:16

According to a senile Greer? Yes.

Ageism as well as sexism in your posts?

No surprise there.

"Aged care" is not the same as dementia care FYI

NotBadConsidering · 26/09/2025 11:17

Germaine Greer has dementia now?!

I must admit Howse, I did ask for novel arguments. I didn’t think “lying about the wellbeing of a famous feminist” would be one of them though.

lcakethereforeIam · 26/09/2025 11:17

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/09/2025 10:56

I’m still trying to understand how we decide who gets to take a dump in the ladies lavs. It’s sounding like some sort of test to measure neuroticism and agreeableness is now in order

Perhaps one of those multiple choice questionnaires that magazines used to run? Mostly As? To the gents with you! With today's technology they could run them through a touch pad on the door of the bogs. The entrance to the men's could be a trap door that, unbeknownst, you're standing on...with a slide!

Obviously, trips to the loo will need to take into account the extra time needed to take the test and the additional queueing.

Or just go to the correct toilet for your sex.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 11:18

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 10:21

Trans acceptance is a relative new social phenomena so we are still in the process of 'ironing out' wrinkles so I don't think its accurate to say there hasn't been any progress.

It’s still no.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 11:19

NotBadConsidering · 26/09/2025 11:17

Germaine Greer has dementia now?!

I must admit Howse, I did ask for novel arguments. I didn’t think “lying about the wellbeing of a famous feminist” would be one of them though.

Wikipedia ‘evidence’ incoming!

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 11:19

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:16

According to a senile Greer? Yes.

Your woman hating slip is showing again.

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:21

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 11:19

Your woman hating slip is showing again.

Are you suggesting there's something wrong with being senile? Plenty of 86 year olds have it.

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 26/09/2025 11:22

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:16

According to a senile Greer? Yes.

How about the Greer that published The Female Eunuch in 1970, the year the courts declared April Ashley a man?

NotAtMyAge · 26/09/2025 11:23

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 22:20

Dawkins is a world class scientist so he knows only too well no one is suggesting reproductive categories don't exist rather ‘Sex’ is often semantically flattened into a binary model, for which individuals are classified as either ‘female’ or ‘male.’ A more expansive definition of sex is bimodal—with most individuals falling within one of two peaks of a trait distribution. However, even a bimodal model is an oversimplification, since ‘sex’ comprises multiple traits, with variable distributions. Individuals may possess different combinations of chromosome type, gamete size, hormone level, morphology, and social roles, which do not always align in female- and male-specific ways or persist across an organism’s lifespan. Reliance on strict binary categories of sex fails to accurately capture the diverse and nuanced nature of sex.

In other words, the guy knows better but is looking for pay back after the left hung him out to dry.

Not " sex is bimodal, not binary" again. 🙄Until you or another proponent of this obfuscatory twaddle can point to the third gamete, I'll stick with the age-old pattern of males producing small gametes and females large ones which has ensured the continuation of all species which reproduce sexually. Social roles have nothing to do with whether someone is male or female. They are socially constructed, unlike the reproductive systems of males and females.

MarieDeGournay · 26/09/2025 11:24

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:00

Yep that was my reply. Can you elaborate on other issues that I missed? I re read it & am not sure.

Thank you Howseitgoin.

Well, how about things like the weight that should be give to facts and feelings in forming social policy?

The absence of a clear definition of gender which does not rely on referring back to gender?

The difference between people's feelings about their sex at birth, and the fact of their sex at birth?

The weight that a democratic society should give to the feelings of tiny proportion of the population who feel they their gender is not the same as their sex?

But it's up to you to go into more detail in response to my post, your posts are getting shorter so you may have limited time and I understand that.

I have to add that your comment about G.Greer's age, and developing dementia, was incredibly nasty and offensive.

Abominableday · 26/09/2025 11:24

Evidence that Greer has dementia please?

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 11:28

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 10:54

"Women's liberation", she wrote in The Whole Woman (1999), "did not see the female's potential in terms of the male's actual." She argues instead that liberation is about asserting difference and "insisting on it as a condition of self-definition and self-determination". It is a struggle for the freedom of women to "define their own values, order their own priorities and decide their own fate".[b]

Great quote by Germain!

Did you notice that she doesn't talk at all about 'averages' of behaviour? In fact, I read that and understand that she means the complete opposite.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/09/2025 11:29

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:16

According to a senile Greer? Yes.

Quite aside from the fact that you repeat asinine bollocks over and over again, what a thoroughly unpleasant individual you also prove yourself to be

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 11:29

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:21

Are you suggesting there's something wrong with being senile? Plenty of 86 year olds have it.

Your inability to grasp facts is really disappointing, but predictable. GG isn’t ‘senile’ which you well know, you’re just hoping she is because that would be a way to discredit her. Imagine being so sad that an 86 year old woman seriously grinds your gears that you make up lies about her 😂

Sad, sad man in these sad, sad times.

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 11:31

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 10:55

All this just so men can get their dicks out in women's single sex spaces.

Yep.

This really is more wheedling. It is a case of, if someone can just find the right angle to convince women to allow male people to be included in the their sex class then it will all fall into place.

The constant pressure to accept personality traits which are malleable and changeable as a basis of categorisation of sex for the access to female single sex provisions is getting more absurd by the day. The contorting to make it fit must be excruciating to maintain.

NotAtMyAge · 26/09/2025 11:34

Misquoted.

NotAtMyAge · 26/09/2025 11:36

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 00:08

How genes influence behaviour? If you really want me to….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioural_genetics

Wikipedia? The site which can be modified by anyone with an axe to grind and which has no named authors of any entry? THAT's your clincher? 😂😂

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:36

MarieDeGournay · 26/09/2025 11:24

Thank you Howseitgoin.

Well, how about things like the weight that should be give to facts and feelings in forming social policy?

The absence of a clear definition of gender which does not rely on referring back to gender?

The difference between people's feelings about their sex at birth, and the fact of their sex at birth?

The weight that a democratic society should give to the feelings of tiny proportion of the population who feel they their gender is not the same as their sex?

But it's up to you to go into more detail in response to my post, your posts are getting shorter so you may have limited time and I understand that.

I have to add that your comment about G.Greer's age, and developing dementia, was incredibly nasty and offensive.

In terms of public policy, all that's necessary is determining whether there's potential for harm from male bodied people. So whether a trans person can prove their behavioural associations to women as a group is irrelevant.

Greer was widely reported to be admitted to aged care in 2022. (You can google it.) IE she was unable to care for herself which was widely rumoured to be caused dementia. Her complete disappearance from public life & that she is 87 years old is also seen as confirming factor.

Not sure why people consider elderly people who suffer cognitive decline offensive but there you go.

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 11:37

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:10

Yup, Greer doesn't believe trans women are the same as CIS women in terms of "life experience" but not all women's life experiences are the same & some trans women experiences are similar to CIS women so it's not exactly one of her most rigorous analyses. She was getting on at that stage & admitted to a nursing home for dementia not long after.

Please provide the evidence that Germaine Greer believed "some trans women experiences are similar to CIS women".

I don't believe that she believed that at all, so I look forward to you linking up where she indicated that she did believe this.

And that as a statement is irrelevant. Because male people can be said to have 'experiences' that are 'similar to' female people's experiences. That doesn't mean that anyone in society has to change policies or laws to give them access to female single sex provisions.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 11:37

NotAtMyAge · 26/09/2025 11:36

Wikipedia? The site which can be modified by anyone with an axe to grind and which has no named authors of any entry? THAT's your clincher? 😂😂

He loves a Wikipedia link, he thinks it’s evidence 😂😂

Greyskybluesky · 26/09/2025 11:40

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:36

In terms of public policy, all that's necessary is determining whether there's potential for harm from male bodied people. So whether a trans person can prove their behavioural associations to women as a group is irrelevant.

Greer was widely reported to be admitted to aged care in 2022. (You can google it.) IE she was unable to care for herself which was widely rumoured to be caused dementia. Her complete disappearance from public life & that she is 87 years old is also seen as confirming factor.

Not sure why people consider elderly people who suffer cognitive decline offensive but there you go.

"widely rumoured" 😂That's your evidence?

As I said "aged care" is not specifically dementia care

"Her complete disappearance from public life" could be attributed to the fact that she's mid-80s and bloody knackered, no?

Edited to add: she put herself into aged care. She wasn't "admitted" to it - you keep trying to suggest she has failing mental capacity.

She still knows what a woman is.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 11:41

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:36

In terms of public policy, all that's necessary is determining whether there's potential for harm from male bodied people. So whether a trans person can prove their behavioural associations to women as a group is irrelevant.

Greer was widely reported to be admitted to aged care in 2022. (You can google it.) IE she was unable to care for herself which was widely rumoured to be caused dementia. Her complete disappearance from public life & that she is 87 years old is also seen as confirming factor.

Not sure why people consider elderly people who suffer cognitive decline offensive but there you go.

A man has arrived to tell us that GG has dementia, but the evidence for this is obviously a secret because, astonishingly, he can’t provide it 😳 so that should be the end of the matter. Absolutely barking 😂😂

Abominableday · 26/09/2025 11:42

Hmm, she was a guest on Louis Theroux' podcast in 2024.

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