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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 17:00

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 16:54

I see your point and in a way I do agree. But the amount of abuse JKR has taken, her family home address published with a bomb making guide, countless death and rape threats, sexist abuse wall to wall. In all that time, Watson stood with the bullshit, made digs and I do not recall her ever calling for the abuse to stop or acknowledging it (I guess she was worried about acknowledging that many TRAs are indeed this vicious and misogynistic). And she never had to worry about losing her job; she's a big enough name with enough millions behind her and she's a shitty actress anyway.

I can see why JKR is all out of fucks to give.

Yeah, I mean if people want to offer her a golden bridge, that’s up to them, but JKR doesn’t have to, and if I were her, I wouldn’t either. 🤷‍♀️

People also need to stop infantilising her.
She was doing her digs in front of an audience at the big age of 30+

People are acting like she’s a young teenager

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 17:01

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 16:52

Oh, that one!

Yep, definitely not changing my opinion about the type of education Oxford provides

I'm so glad I went to Oxford because otherwise I think I'd have this holy awe of anyone who did and imagine them to be so above me with towering intellect. And while there are definitely some people like that, for the most part I don't care. I know what kind of cleverness it is and I know how it's not guaranteed to translate to any other kind of smartness, and certainly not guaranteed to be any kind of integrity.

MondayYogurt · 25/09/2025 17:11

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 25/09/2025 16:40

No doubt.

Someone with Emma's resources and the option to just live quietly doesn't do an interview like this without substantial PR expertise and a planned strategy. She's done all this for a reason and she'll have had the best professional advice.

The Stuart Heritage soft piece was clever too.
Interesting comments btl.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/sep/24/go-quietly-and-get-a-side-hustle-how-to-quit-acting-properly

CrackingOn50 · 25/09/2025 17:20

I once read somewhere a theory about child actors and singers etc.

Because the 'normal' trajectory of growing up is so radically thrown off course by their fame it was surmised that their emotional development is stunted at the age they hit success.

It makes sense really. Things like being in an environment where your peers differ so much to kids at school, surrounded by sycophants and having scrutiny.
Living in a bubble where bonkers things are normalised.

Perhaps EW will escape acting like a Hogwarts' student and 'grow up' but who knows?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 25/09/2025 17:26

Collaborate · 25/09/2025 07:43

TERFS: Don’t cancel us because of our beliefs!

also TERFS: How dare Emma Watson not cancel JKR because of her beliefs!

Are you 12?

ZoeCM · 25/09/2025 17:29

CrackingOn50 · 25/09/2025 17:20

I once read somewhere a theory about child actors and singers etc.

Because the 'normal' trajectory of growing up is so radically thrown off course by their fame it was surmised that their emotional development is stunted at the age they hit success.

It makes sense really. Things like being in an environment where your peers differ so much to kids at school, surrounded by sycophants and having scrutiny.
Living in a bubble where bonkers things are normalised.

Perhaps EW will escape acting like a Hogwarts' student and 'grow up' but who knows?

In the Robbie Williams biopic Better Man, there's a scene where Robbie he says at an AA meeting that he's emotionally stunted because his life "froze" when he became famous at fifteen.

SionnachRuadh · 25/09/2025 17:31

CrackingOn50 · 25/09/2025 17:20

I once read somewhere a theory about child actors and singers etc.

Because the 'normal' trajectory of growing up is so radically thrown off course by their fame it was surmised that their emotional development is stunted at the age they hit success.

It makes sense really. Things like being in an environment where your peers differ so much to kids at school, surrounded by sycophants and having scrutiny.
Living in a bubble where bonkers things are normalised.

Perhaps EW will escape acting like a Hogwarts' student and 'grow up' but who knows?

Brett Cooper has been talking quite a bit about her experience of being a child actor in Hollywood, about how it's an environment where things like middle aged men hitting on 14 year old girls is entirely normal. She did a long interview with Jordan Peterson that very much confirms the theory.

Brett was never particularly famous as an actor, which might be related to why she's seemed to come out of it relatively unscathed.

I think the flip side of that is what we can see with the Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan and Elliot Page types, or from a generation earlier Drew Barrymore, who never got to have normal childhoods. Every time I see Drew Barrymore I get depressed, because this is a 50 year old woman who's still massively screwed up from her weird childhood.

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

Soontobe60 · 25/09/2025 06:50

They’re not ‘dog whistles’. They’re facts. Anyone who believes they were born in the wrong body, who believes in gendered souls, who believes that dressing in opposite sex clothing literally makes them the opposite sex (I could go on) is clearly mentally unwell.

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 17:47

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

What do you mean? Like if a boy likes Barbie? He's a boy who likes Barbie. A girl isn't a child who likes Barbie. I hated Barbie as a kid, did that make me a boy?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 17:51

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

I have two small children, one of each sex, and I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. Can you give an example?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/09/2025 17:58

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 17:51

I have two small children, one of each sex, and I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. Can you give an example?

I am with you. I don’t understand this. Maybe time for this decision chart?

Well, hello Emma Watson
Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:06

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 17:47

What do you mean? Like if a boy likes Barbie? He's a boy who likes Barbie. A girl isn't a child who likes Barbie. I hated Barbie as a kid, did that make me a boy?

OK but maybe a bit more complex than that. I mean, you hear about parents who say they knew their child was the opposite from the one on their birth certificate.

BeGreatKhakiOtter · 25/09/2025 18:10
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Greyskybluesky · 25/09/2025 18:12

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:06

OK but maybe a bit more complex than that. I mean, you hear about parents who say they knew their child was the opposite from the one on their birth certificate.

But how do they "know" ?

Namelessnelly · 25/09/2025 18:14

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

How does a child behave as the opposite sex? Are you referring to outdated stupid gender stereotypes like boys liking cars and girls liking dolls? Come on mate. It’s 2025 not 1955

ChocolateTriflefortwo · 25/09/2025 18:16

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

So you are saying that boys and girls are defined by regressive sex stereotypes?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 18:16

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:06

OK but maybe a bit more complex than that. I mean, you hear about parents who say they knew their child was the opposite from the one on their birth certificate.

Well, yes, some people are attention seeking loonies.

ZoeCM · 25/09/2025 18:17

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:06

OK but maybe a bit more complex than that. I mean, you hear about parents who say they knew their child was the opposite from the one on their birth certificate.

How could they possibly know that? What does "acting like a boy/girl" actually mean. Most of those parents probably have gender disappointment, and have convinced themselves that their child is of their desired sex.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 25/09/2025 18:17

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

The parents are judging their children based on outdated, frankly toxic, gender stereotypes, @Daygloboo. There is a set of behaviours, likes, dislikes etc that is in the box marked girl, and a wholly different set in the box marked boy.

So, as @ThatCyanCat says, a boy who plays with a Barbie must really be a girl, because he is exhibiting a behaviour from the girl box. A girl who likes rough-and-tumble games, wears trousers and wants short hair is showing behaviours from the ‘boy’ box, so must be a boy.

Surely it is more progressive to abandon the gender stereotypes and say that biology determines a person's sex, but they can have any likes, dislikes, hobbies, activities, hair style, clothing that they want.

Basically a man/boy is someone of the male sex, with any character, NOT someone with either biological sex but masculine character, and a woman/girl is someone with female biology and any character, NOT someone of either biological sex but a (sweetly) feminine character!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 18:18

ZoeCM · 25/09/2025 18:17

How could they possibly know that? What does "acting like a boy/girl" actually mean. Most of those parents probably have gender disappointment, and have convinced themselves that their child is of their desired sex.

I do wonder how much of it is down to gender disappointment.

Jackie Green is one of five boys, IIRC.

Merrymouse · 25/09/2025 18:18

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

How do you explain the parents? Easy - they are idiots.

teawamutu · 25/09/2025 18:20

Merrymouse · 25/09/2025 18:18

How do you explain the parents? Easy - they are idiots.

Or abusive.

ChocolateTriflefortwo · 25/09/2025 18:20

So when I was little, I hated dresses, loved bugs, woodwork and chemistry kits, preferred playing with boys outside climbing trees etc. Did sciences and technology at school. Love a bit of DIY with power tools. Does any of that make me a man?

Edited to say I only gained access to power tools as a teen.

Yawhat · 25/09/2025 18:34

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 25/09/2025 08:18

I thought this too and also wondered if the fact that her good friend Tom Felton,who came out in support of JKR but hasn't been cancelled (in fact the opposite as he's doing The Cursed Child on Broadway soon) had any effect.

I'm pretty sure that whatever her motive is for this it'll a self interested one and whilst I hope she stands by her words she is someone who as an actor who from a young ago has been used to being feted by everyone around her so I can see her backtracking when the backlash kicks in.

TRAs have harassed Tom for years for refusing to bow down to them or publicly blast JK. They detest him and have resorted to their old tricks of trying to pin him for all sorts of baseless wild shit, including child abuse. They're frothing, demented weirdos who defame the bloke constantly, so to a section of the HP fandom he has absolutely been cancelled.

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:38

Namelessnelly · 25/09/2025 18:14

How does a child behave as the opposite sex? Are you referring to outdated stupid gender stereotypes like boys liking cars and girls liking dolls? Come on mate. It’s 2025 not 1955

No I'm talking about people on TV I've seen who talk about how they knew their child was different from the sex they were given at birth. It's s straightforward question with no hidden agenda. I've seen and heard this from.parents.