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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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MollFlandersKids · 25/09/2025 11:47

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 09:30

I have NO mercy for her! None whatsoever. What she did to JK was beyond abhorrently cruel. She deserves everything that's coming her way.

so much this

MelOfTheRoses · 25/09/2025 12:00

Her career has always depended a lot on the PR. 🤔

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 12:06

Helleofabore · 25/09/2025 11:35

I have no idea where the ‘Italian ghetto’ of Australia would even have been? The over dramatisation of using those words was something that I was confused by.

Any ideas?

Clearly, it is a DOG WHISTLE.

I went to a very nice pizza place in Fremantle. Maybe it's that?

DrowningInSyrup · 25/09/2025 12:10

Howseitgoin · 24/09/2025 22:56

Well done! Emma Watson has always been a class act. Nice to see her maintain consistency in treating those you disagree with respectfully.

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My thoughts exactly

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 12:14

Helleofabore · 25/09/2025 11:35

I have no idea where the ‘Italian ghetto’ of Australia would even have been? The over dramatisation of using those words was something that I was confused by.

Any ideas?

None. I've been to a few places in Sydney that have many Italian migrants, but none were 'ghettos'. And that's another thing, too. We tend to say 'slums' or 'slumming it' in Australia. Ghetto is more an American term.

nomas · 25/09/2025 12:16

It sounds like she has left Hollywood behind (she hasn’t done a film since 2018).

Maybe academia has given her a different perspective and she is trying to gently row back towards JK Rowling.

I think JKR would forgive her if Emma reached out.

The UK Supreme Court ruling that the terms "sex," "man," and "woman" refer to biological sex at birth, not a person's acquired gender will have woken up many.

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 12:26

nomas · 25/09/2025 12:16

It sounds like she has left Hollywood behind (she hasn’t done a film since 2018).

Maybe academia has given her a different perspective and she is trying to gently row back towards JK Rowling.

I think JKR would forgive her if Emma reached out.

The UK Supreme Court ruling that the terms "sex," "man," and "woman" refer to biological sex at birth, not a person's acquired gender will have woken up many.

What I don't understand is, whatever happened to common sense? Why did they need a court to tell them what a woman was? If they didn't know what a woman was until the SC ruling, their parents had done a really bad job raising and educating them. Do we really need to go to court to get the water agency to tell us water is wet?

ThreeWordHarpy · 25/09/2025 12:26

I think JKR would forgive her if Emma reached out.

maybe if she apologised properly in the style of John Boyne apologising to Glinner. But she’s a long way from “I was wrong, you are right and I’m sorry”.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 12:28

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 12:26

What I don't understand is, whatever happened to common sense? Why did they need a court to tell them what a woman was? If they didn't know what a woman was until the SC ruling, their parents had done a really bad job raising and educating them. Do we really need to go to court to get the water agency to tell us water is wet?

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I wouldn't blame the parents tbh.

There are many mothers on here who have a fraught relationship with their young adult children because they disagree on what a woman is.

Helleofabore · 25/09/2025 12:28

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 12:14

None. I've been to a few places in Sydney that have many Italian migrants, but none were 'ghettos'. And that's another thing, too. We tend to say 'slums' or 'slumming it' in Australia. Ghetto is more an American term.

I couldn’t even think of “slums” that were specifically where Italian immigrants settled. There really seems to be a disconnectedness.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 25/09/2025 12:36

WallaceinAnderland · 24/09/2025 22:28

The thing is, people have been forced to either say nothing or publicly support the T for fear of losing their work and being completely ostracised by colleagues and friends.

The whole movement was driven by fear. It only takes a few more brave individuals to speak out and it will trigger a tsunami. Emma was a completely devoted handmaiden. Of all people, she is probably the last I would have expected to say something positive about JKR. But she will be crucified for it. I'm not going to join the pile on.

I agree with this, to a certain extent, @WallaceinAnderland. It clearly took, and still takes, a lot of courage to stand up against trans ideology and the rabid TRAs, and whilst I wish people like Emma had had that courage, I can try to understand why they didn’t. I do hope that more people like Emma start to see the light and the tsunami you speak of happens.

nomas · 25/09/2025 12:38

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 12:26

What I don't understand is, whatever happened to common sense? Why did they need a court to tell them what a woman was? If they didn't know what a woman was until the SC ruling, their parents had done a really bad job raising and educating them. Do we really need to go to court to get the water agency to tell us water is wet?

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Yes, I think some people got themselves tangled up into a bit of a mess.

The supposed logic being, for example:

woman has a cervix —> woman becomes ‘man’ —> ‘man’ has cervix —> ‘men’ can have cervices.

And then when a couple of people you know and respect are transwomen, it can make it hard to focus on the facts.

MrsSlocombesCat · 25/09/2025 12:45

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:55

WTF's being able to drive as an adult woman got to do with anything?
Plenty of adult women who are her age or older like me don't drive either.

She did drive but lost her license for too many speeding convictions.

MondayYogurt · 25/09/2025 12:48

When do you think they'll announce her publishing deal? And what genre do you think she's writing in?

MelOfTheRoses · 25/09/2025 12:55

Ah - What is an Opinion? 🤔 🤷‍♀️

We are back in Humpty Dumpty land - words mean what I say they mean.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 13:02

LaurelBush · 25/09/2025 12:49

More sad times on this thread:


Sophie Molly
‪@sophiemolly.co.uk‬
It's not an opinion she has though. It's hate!

https://bsky.app/profile/sophiemolly.co.uk/post/3lznmgctur22m

He's half right.

It's not an opinion.
It's also not hate.
It's a fact that humans can't change sex.

ArabellaSaurus · 25/09/2025 13:04

Watson sounds a bit lost.

I hope she has support to weather the inevitable shitstorm that is going to ensue.

Being famous young never seems to be a positive foundation for a life.

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 13:12

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 25/09/2025 12:36

I agree with this, to a certain extent, @WallaceinAnderland. It clearly took, and still takes, a lot of courage to stand up against trans ideology and the rabid TRAs, and whilst I wish people like Emma had had that courage, I can try to understand why they didn’t. I do hope that more people like Emma start to see the light and the tsunami you speak of happens.

There are loads of people who just don’t say anything.

To go out of your way to make little digs is quite different, especially at the BAFTAs.

She wasn’t even receiving the award, just presenting it, and still had to get her little ‘viral moment’.

She’s a loser, pretending to be a feminist, bowing to the peen.

WinterTrees · 25/09/2025 13:12

My impression, as a detached observer, of Emma Watson is that she is someone who desperately needs to be liked. Her personality is that of a Good Girl - #BeKind isn't so much a slogan as her mission statement. It's a personality type I imagine lots of us recognise from school - the person who thrives on applause and gold stars, and being milk monitor, form rep, prefect, head girl.

How much of that is shaped by the character JKR wrote and EW was employed to embody from such a young age is interesting to speculate on. The fact is she was paid to perform from childhood; to parrot lines without thinking about their meaning, and getting head pats for it. I think that must have had a lasting effect on her. I'm sure global fame at such a young age brings huge pressure and her trauma response seems to be to fawn. (See that cringey interview with Paris Lees where she virtually prostrates herself at Lee's feet to assure him that she would willingly, gladly - nay be honoured - to share a toilet with him.)

But now the tide is turning. Common sense and critical thinking have entered the room. The prevailing narrative is being modified, and suddenly the girl who was a queen bee in the 'right-thinkers' gang is now looking round and realising she's a bit isolated; a lot of the clever, cool people are no longer standing behind her and she's left with... well, an awkward collection of characters.

She defines herself as being clever, being insightful and nuanced - a PhD in creative writing! - and she must be wondering if some of the fawning things she did to belong in the gang ('all bar one') now make her look a bit... unkind. A bit stupid.

With good reason. They do.

I'm guessing she now needs to find a way back. To continue being liked, living up to her privileged 'kindness' values, while also finding some way of staying relevant.

ClawedButler · 25/09/2025 13:14

I'm in two minds.

On the one hand, she's young, she's not particularly bright, and she was just going along with what the loudest voices were saying at the time. It's easy to go along with what you think is the prevailing opinion, and it's really difficult, if your fame, your reputation and your appeal is your career, to go against that.

On the other hand, I do get where the "No, she made her bed she can lie in it" crowd are coming from.

And yes, she lost her license for repeatedly speeding.

ClawedButler · 25/09/2025 13:15

Right on the money, @WinterTrees. Bravo!

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 13:16

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 13:02

He's half right.

It's not an opinion.
It's also not hate.
It's a fact that humans can't change sex.

I doubt she's even heard of him. She hasn't used X for years.

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 13:18

ClawedButler · 25/09/2025 13:14

I'm in two minds.

On the one hand, she's young, she's not particularly bright, and she was just going along with what the loudest voices were saying at the time. It's easy to go along with what you think is the prevailing opinion, and it's really difficult, if your fame, your reputation and your appeal is your career, to go against that.

On the other hand, I do get where the "No, she made her bed she can lie in it" crowd are coming from.

And yes, she lost her license for repeatedly speeding.

She’s really not that young.

I think people think she’s a teenager, because that’s how they think of her in screen.

Shes 35 years old.

Edited to add: She was 31 when she made her BAFTAs comment. A fully grown woman

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