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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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Tiredofwhataboutery · 25/09/2025 10:40

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:53

Exactly, where does it say she's changed her mind?
Have people actually read the article?
It just says that she hopes people can still get on even if they don't always share the same opinions, which sounds grounded and sensible seeing as they knew each other and got on before all the "trans differences" between them.
It also says where JK apparently said earlier that she "could never forgive her" (for her views and saying she can't agree with her?!)
I know who sounds the most reasonable and it's not JK

I think a lot of people burnt bridges with JK when she was being vilified for stating facts. I don’t think I’d forgive people who jumped in the pile on. It wasn’t conciliatory tweeting about how we can all agree to disagree then.

Now that a good plan has come together it should be mutual respect for trans differences? It’s the new version of be kind and shut up.

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 10:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:34

Yes, in what sense is being one of the most successful and high earning self-made women in the world not newsworthy?

There's a certain type of man (Jolyon whatsisface and Boy George are also this type) who is absolutely fucking furious that a woman got money like this and earned it all from talent and skill (especially when she's now richer than they are). Not a marriage or inheritance. They can just about take it if she's an actress or singer, but to do it the way JKR did it AND remain incredibly generous and philanthropic and creative... it blows their minds. It enrages them. How fucking dare she.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:41

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 10:40

There's a certain type of man (Jolyon whatsisface and Boy George are also this type) who is absolutely fucking furious that a woman got money like this and earned it all from talent and skill (especially when she's now richer than they are). Not a marriage or inheritance. They can just about take it if she's an actress or singer, but to do it the way JKR did it AND remain incredibly generous and philanthropic and creative... it blows their minds. It enrages them. How fucking dare she.

See also Philip Pullman. And also Joanne Harris and most of the publishing industry in general.

They hate her 'cos they ain't her.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 25/09/2025 10:41

TheQuirkyMaker · 25/09/2025 10:34

Emma is worth about £80 million. I doubt she is desperately touting for work.

It's interesting, because her money meant the option was there to stay out of this entirely. There genuinely are people who've been made to go along with trans ideology as a condition of keeping their livelihoods, but Emma has never been one of them. Not when she first decided to wade in, and not now either.

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 10:42

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/09/2025 10:10

Just use the gents

you’ll be fine

I think that poster means that what is usually said about someone who "dissents" on here must be a man.
Why should we use the men's if we're women? I am, anyway, obviously don't know about anyone else - I'm not trans if that's what you're thinking 😕

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 10:43

TheQuirkyMaker · 25/09/2025 10:35

She is beautiful and very wealthy. I guess she can't have everything.

She is beautiful and very wealthy. I guess she can't have everything.

And this right here, Gentle Reader, is exhibit A of how shallow trans activists are. And listed first too. They actually do our work for us. No substance. Not a brain cell to bump into each other among them.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 25/09/2025 10:45

heathspeedwell · 25/09/2025 09:52

Emma Watson actively encouraged people to give money to Mermaids even though it was public knowledge at the time that Susie Green took her 15 year old son to Thailand so he could have his genitals removed as a 'present' on the morning of his 16th birthday.

Watson isn't stupid and if she had done the bare minimum of research she could have seen the video of Susie Green laughing about the fact her son's penis never grew, because he had taken puberty blockers. They had to remove a third of his colon to construct a 'neovagina' for him.

(Anyone can confirm this for themselves by going on YouTube and typing 'Susie Green laughing' in the search bar.)

Of course we've had the Cass review and puberty blockers are banned now, but how many vulnerable children took Mermaids seriously as a result of patronage by people like Watson who were too lazy to check the facts?

It's not just Mermaids: she also promoted Mama Cash on twitter.

See this excellent article from Jo Bartosch.

In 2018, international and domestic NGOs collaborated to prevent the passing of the Trafficking of Persons Bill in India. This was heralded as a victory by the Netherlands-based Mama Cash, which claimed the bill, “conflated trafficking with sex work, which would have increased stigma, discrimination and violence against sex workers, reduced their autonomy and agency, and threatened their human rights”.

The campaign, part funded by Mama Cash, undermined the work of grassroots feminist activists in India like Vaishnavi Sundar. After years of working to stop the sex trade, Sundar, a documentary film-maker and activist based in Chennai, sees the halting of the anti-trafficking bill as a form of ideological imperialism:

“In a country that is known for its ineffectual jurisprudence where women fight for three or four decades for any legal recourse, it is disquieting to see Western organisations like Mama Cash siding with groups that further amplify women’s sexual exploitation. While ‘sex work’ may benefit a minority group, to halt a bill that could potentially save thousands of children over semantics is cruel and anti-women.”

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/june-2021/putting-women-last/

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 10:46

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 10:42

I think that poster means that what is usually said about someone who "dissents" on here must be a man.
Why should we use the men's if we're women? I am, anyway, obviously don't know about anyone else - I'm not trans if that's what you're thinking 😕

You would think that if people were secure in their arguments it wouldn't be necessary to smear women with dissenting opinions as perverse men but there you go…..🤥

Alondra · 25/09/2025 10:48

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:34

So all that throwing women under the bus has not even benefited her, has it?

Nup. She was a beloved character in the Harry Potter movies, but like many child actors, wasn't convincing, relatable or expressive enough to make the transition from child to adult actor in the business.

Her "feminism" didn't help her. It always looked like PR posturing without engaging with the basics of what feminism is about.

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 10:49

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 10:46

You would think that if people were secure in their arguments it wouldn't be necessary to smear women with dissenting opinions as perverse men but there you go…..🤥

Mate, we know you're a bloke. We knew that poster from a while ago with the fussy French feminine name who told us we were so ugly no man would do us the compliment of abusing us in changing rooms was a bloke too.

Now can you please get on with the irrelevant Wikipedia link posts? I've got a fiver riding on it with another poster. She doesn't think I can call it.

whynotwhatknot · 25/09/2025 10:53

annoying woman cant even act

must need a job

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/09/2025 10:54

I don't think Emma Watson wants to be a writer. If she did, she'd just write. Her PHD is the busywork of privileged procrastination. Good luck to her I suppose, I wonder if she understands the public perception of her as an intelligent feminist is not because of amything she's ever done or said (she seems vacuous imo) but because of a character that JKR created.

Alondra · 25/09/2025 10:56

TheQuirkyMaker · 25/09/2025 10:35

She is beautiful and very wealthy. I guess she can't have everything.

If being beautiful and wealthy is what she wants, she got it. Somehow I doubt being a "has been" actress and without much support from the women she keeps saying is supporting, it's all she wants.

Otherwise, she'll be retired from the profession and enjoying her life without giving public interviews.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 11:00

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 10:43

She is beautiful and very wealthy. I guess she can't have everything.

And this right here, Gentle Reader, is exhibit A of how shallow trans activists are. And listed first too. They actually do our work for us. No substance. Not a brain cell to bump into each other among them.

It's an interesting one though.

The character of Hermione Granger isn't supposed to be particularly beautiful. She is completely overlooked by Ron despite being miles out of his league until the Yule Ball, when she walks in wearing beautiful dress robes, on the arm of a famous international quidditch player, and having altered her appearance significantly to conform to prevailing beauty standards. She admits to Harry that after her disastrous experiment with polyjuice potion when she accidentally used cat hair instead of human hair, she got Matron to make her teeth look the way she wanted them to look, rather than put them back the way they were before. And she explains that she spent hours smoothing her hair using SleekEazy hair potion, but that it was far too time intensive to do on a daily basis. So Hermione was an ordinary looking girl who could make herself scrub up nicely with a lot of time, effort and money, and she discovered at the age of 14 that this would get her more positive attention than her academic achievements or bravery.

If the casting agents were being true to the book they should have cast a rather plain looking girl as Hermione and prettified her for the Yule Ball. What they actually did was cast an extremely pretty girl and just give her bushy hair - and they didn't even keep up the pretence beyond the fourth movie, which happened to coincide with her first modelling work for Teen Vogue.

I find this really quite grim, because it encapsulates what is wrong with Hollywood. I think the casting agents deliberately chose Watson, in part because they could see that she was going to be a classically good looking woman when she grew up, which would help to sell the Harry Potter brand and boost the movie profits. The Sun had a countdown to her 16th birthday, it's not exactly hard to believe that men might have gone to see the Harry Potter movies because they had a crush on teenage Emma Watson. The idea of adult casting agents assessing ten year old girls for "future hotness" is really quite gross, and yet realistically, that must have been what happened. I don't honestly believe that she was a better actress than any of the other girls who auditioned for the part.

user9637 · 25/09/2025 11:00

My initial reaction was "ah, she's growing up". Then I realised she's in her 30's. Maybe Hollywood just fucks you up that much, I don't know...

She sounds like a mental health mess tbh, like a lot of Hollywood. We really shouldn't take what they say seriously. In fact, that we do is probably a cause of it all... just reminded of what Catherine Zeta Jones recently said... (where's the puke emoji when you need it?!)

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 11:02

Alondra · 25/09/2025 10:48

Nup. She was a beloved character in the Harry Potter movies, but like many child actors, wasn't convincing, relatable or expressive enough to make the transition from child to adult actor in the business.

Her "feminism" didn't help her. It always looked like PR posturing without engaging with the basics of what feminism is about.

Yes, tweeting pictures of herself prancing around leaving copies of the Handmaid's Tale for members of the public to find and read.

"This is what a feminist looks like. Oh, and a woman looks like anyone who says they are one."

Aye, right, Emma, then how come none of the handmaids were trans women?

Bloody hell. If she had another brain cell it would be lonely.

MollFlandersKids · 25/09/2025 11:07

OK I only skim read the article cos I'm lazy (and I found it a difficult read for my blood pressure0, but- it's done nothing to make me any the less angry with that spoilt child (Emma).
There's no mea culpa re ridiculous support of gender ideology, the nasty side she has supported for years, the flack JK's taken (and her part in it)- she's still more than covering her arse with them
Ugh! She's making out that she's all gracious and willing to have a friendship with someone with differing views- how very noble of you, Emma
Oh God I'm getting madder as I write this- I'd actually have more respect for her if she slagged JK off- instead she's trying to play both sides.
What a coward.

Ohthere · 25/09/2025 11:09

Beowulfa · 25/09/2025 10:30

I would like to repeat the excellent joke made when the news broke that Emma Watson and Zoe Wannemaker both lost their licences in the same court on the same day: 12 points from Gryffindor!

(assmed it was The Sun, but can't seem to find the origin online)

Had to go and look: the Sun has 'Azka-banned', which I think is even better!

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 11:16

MollFlandersKids · 25/09/2025 11:07

OK I only skim read the article cos I'm lazy (and I found it a difficult read for my blood pressure0, but- it's done nothing to make me any the less angry with that spoilt child (Emma).
There's no mea culpa re ridiculous support of gender ideology, the nasty side she has supported for years, the flack JK's taken (and her part in it)- she's still more than covering her arse with them
Ugh! She's making out that she's all gracious and willing to have a friendship with someone with differing views- how very noble of you, Emma
Oh God I'm getting madder as I write this- I'd actually have more respect for her if she slagged JK off- instead she's trying to play both sides.
What a coward.

She's in her thirties! Again with the infantalizing of grown women in here. She's not a child.
Also says a lot that you won't even read anything not to your "view" as you find it too angering, maddening 🙄

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 11:17

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 11:00

It's an interesting one though.

The character of Hermione Granger isn't supposed to be particularly beautiful. She is completely overlooked by Ron despite being miles out of his league until the Yule Ball, when she walks in wearing beautiful dress robes, on the arm of a famous international quidditch player, and having altered her appearance significantly to conform to prevailing beauty standards. She admits to Harry that after her disastrous experiment with polyjuice potion when she accidentally used cat hair instead of human hair, she got Matron to make her teeth look the way she wanted them to look, rather than put them back the way they were before. And she explains that she spent hours smoothing her hair using SleekEazy hair potion, but that it was far too time intensive to do on a daily basis. So Hermione was an ordinary looking girl who could make herself scrub up nicely with a lot of time, effort and money, and she discovered at the age of 14 that this would get her more positive attention than her academic achievements or bravery.

If the casting agents were being true to the book they should have cast a rather plain looking girl as Hermione and prettified her for the Yule Ball. What they actually did was cast an extremely pretty girl and just give her bushy hair - and they didn't even keep up the pretence beyond the fourth movie, which happened to coincide with her first modelling work for Teen Vogue.

I find this really quite grim, because it encapsulates what is wrong with Hollywood. I think the casting agents deliberately chose Watson, in part because they could see that she was going to be a classically good looking woman when she grew up, which would help to sell the Harry Potter brand and boost the movie profits. The Sun had a countdown to her 16th birthday, it's not exactly hard to believe that men might have gone to see the Harry Potter movies because they had a crush on teenage Emma Watson. The idea of adult casting agents assessing ten year old girls for "future hotness" is really quite gross, and yet realistically, that must have been what happened. I don't honestly believe that she was a better actress than any of the other girls who auditioned for the part.

Yes! People thought I was nuts when they were first cast when I said she was too pretty. One of Hermione's vulnerabilities is that she isn't drop dead gorgeous. She is not ugly and grows into her looks and scrubs up well, but effortless raving beauty is an advantage she doesn't have. Snape and Malfoy both make comments about her teeth, and Rita Skeeter about her frizzy hair.

Then I saw her act and realised there was NO WAY she was the best young actress who had auditioned. Made me furious.

LaurelBush · 25/09/2025 11:20

Here come the transes:


SEEN Police Official Open Public Network
‪@seenpoliceuk.bsky.social‬
Emma Watson is completely unaffected by the hate spread by Rowling. Inciting hatred towards an entire group of people isn’t “an opinion” Emma - close the door when you go.

https://bsky.app/profile/seenpoliceuk.bsky.social/post/3lznogizyx22p

Bluesky

https://bsky.app/profile/seenpoliceuk.bsky.social

teawamutu · 25/09/2025 11:27

Lynsey "vexatious litigant" Watson being unhappy with you. Oh dear.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 25/09/2025 11:31

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:44

"when she was slammed for "liking" a tweet that referred to trans women as "men in dresses.”

-Supporting a dog whistle for ‘deluded’/mentally ill

Months later, Rowling came under fire again for coming to the defense of Maya Forstater. At the time, the researcher had been waging an employment discrimination battle, as her contract with a think tank wasn't renewed after she made a series of anti-trans statements. These statements included that people should not be "compelled to play along with literal delusions like 'transwomen are women,'" and she referred to a gender-fluid person as a "man who likes to dress in women's clothes.”

-Supporting those who explicitly call trans people ‘deluded’/mentally ill

"Rowling revealed she is a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual assault and said this led her to sympathize with women who had "concerns around single-sex spaces." She argued against throwing "open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he's a woman.”

-Dog whistle for trans people as deluded predatory sex abusers

"Rowling published a new novel titled "Troubled Blood" under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith. The book, which revolved around a male serial killer who dresses like a woman, was accused of being anti-trans.
It was disappointing that Rowling was propagating a "long-standing and hurtful presentation of trans women as a threat," a spokesperson for Mermaids, a charity that supports trans children, said to CNN. Rowling, meanwhile, said the book "was loosely based" on real killers."

-Dog whistle for trans people as mentally ill abusers of women

"When Scotland's new Hate Crime and Public Order Act went into effect in April, Rowling tried to bait them into arresting her with posts online. The law criminalizes "stirring up hatred" against people based on their race, religion, disability, sexuality or gender identity. By passing the law, Scotland "placed higher value on the feelings of men performing their idea of femaleness, however misogynistically or opportunistically, than on the rights and freedoms of actual women and girls," Rowling said in the thread on X. If anything she wrote qualified as an offense under the new law, "I look forward to being arrested when I return to the birthplace of the Scottish Enlightenment," Rowling said."

-Dog whistle for trans people as deluded/mentally ill predatory abusers of women

"Rowling posted a photo from the fight, accusing Khelif of being a man who was "enjoying the distress of a woman he's just punched in the head."

-Dog whistle for mentally ill trans person who enjoys abusing of women

https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline

I read that article and honestly couldn’t see a single thing she said that I disagreed with. Facts are chiels that winna ding. ❤️ Magdalen Berns

MollFlandersKids · 25/09/2025 11:33

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 11:16

She's in her thirties! Again with the infantalizing of grown women in here. She's not a child.
Also says a lot that you won't even read anything not to your "view" as you find it too angering, maddening 🙄

oh did I miss the mea culpa
do you want to address the points I made- the cowardice, the hedging of bets, the disdain she's treated JK with over the years
she's infantilising herself, you wally- with silly 6th form views that she never grew out of
I bet if I called Trump a child you'd let it slide- you don't seem like one for consistency

Helleofabore · 25/09/2025 11:35

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 09:34

Trust me on this, he most certainly is not from Australia. He is from America, and I am fairly certain from which state just from some google sleuthing.

I have no idea where the ‘Italian ghetto’ of Australia would even have been? The over dramatisation of using those words was something that I was confused by.

Any ideas?

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