Expressing 'gender critical' views

[ArabellaSaurus]

If you hold gender critical views-

-There are two sexes
-Sex is immutable
-Biological sex matters, and laws relating to sex should be based on sex not 'gender'

• please tell me if you feel able to express these views:

-To friends and family
-On social media
-In a professional context

I'm keen to hear whether women in particular feel that their right to freedom of belief and freedom of expression is upheld in the UK today.

Many thanks.

Very very few. More girls are being sexually abused by a non trans male family member right now.

I agree with the basic foundations of GC which you set out in the OP but I would consider myself relatively mild.

I have sympathy with trans people and don’t view them with suspicion - I don’t believe that it is a ‘fetish’ for the most part, though I accept that it may exist. I will use whatever name or pronoun someone requests that I use and I respect their experience, even if that experience doesn’t tally with reality.

I am entirely comfortable discussing these views with friends, family or on social media. I’ve never fallen out with anyone about it; I think that’s because I am tolerant of any other views.

I wouldn’t discuss it at all in the workplace unless it was part of a legal matter (I’m a lawyer). I work in the public sector and there are trans people where I work. I would never want to make someone feel uncomfortable at work.

Yet you have found the time to come in here and berate us for having discussions about this.

My family is doing amazingly thank you and I am very involved in voluntary work as well as having a job and keeping on top of the diy.

Anyway, you are obviously feeling like it’s all a bit much so we’ll carry on and campaign to regain the rights for all women, including you as even if you don’t feel it personally, your rights have been removed too. Just don’t criticise us for doing so.

To family and friends - yes. Even ones who don’t agree with me know they can’t win an argument with me and are well aware so don’t even try 😂

Work - no, as I feel they may be quite captured.

Kids school - if it was just the teachers etc I wouldn’t give a fuck but a few school mums I like have “trans kids”. So no.

SM - no, I was bullied and suspended from my longstanding FB group of friends for saying no more than TW are male. The virtue signalling, DARVO, abuse and nonsense was quite ridiculous.

I dont feel its a bit much. Just more bemusement that you don't have more pressing issues that affect women. Aren't women getting killed by their husbsnds where you live?

So you don’t have any regard for the disadvantaged women in your community that are in prison? The vast majority of whom have suffered sexual and physical abuse at the hands of men but are routinely locked up with men who claim they are women and used as a tool to ‘socialise’ these men?

That’s rather a glaring omission.

None of the prisoners I've worked with have ever cited trans prisoners as an issue. They are more concerned about drug rehabilitation and education, maternity care, healthcare and access to their children. It seems like people who have never even visited someone in prison are more concerned about trans prisoners than the prisoners themselves. Why? Because there are barely any trans prisoners yet every prisoner suffers those perils of the disenfranchised system.

So those women who have raped by TW prisoners should not make a fuss because it doesn't happen that often?

your experience and discussions are your experiences and discussions, they are not everyone's experiences and discussions. The plural of anecdote is not data

your lack of empathy both here and on the spaces thread is truly astonishing

They are the experiences of the prisoners I work with
They have never ever ever brought up trans prisoners as a problem or even as something they experience. They constantly bring up the other issues I mentioned. Nobody has reported rape by a trans prisoner. Especially not one who is male. They do bring up sexual assault by all guards and other female prisoners though.

People who help prisoners tend to.focus on what they say their problems are, not our own hidden agendas.

And no data says it is a major concern of female prisoners either.

Yeah, we women and girls are sooooo privileged in wanting to retain safe single sex spaces for our safety, privacy and dignity. How dare the oppressed sex fight so hard for our most basic of human rights? Don't we know that the barest minimum of human rights is a 'privilege', us uppity women!

You clearly do, as per your response to PP. Your list of concerns is oddly exclusionary of women in prison, women being abused by their trans identifying husbands, kids being groomed by trans activists and having GI indoctrinated into them at school and why do you only recognise the risk to women from rape by a ‘non trans male’ instead of any male?

It sounds like you live in an inner city area with gangs etc so trans ideology will be present and impinging in the lives of many women around you. If you work in the NHS it is definitely impinging on the female patients and has directly led to rapes, sexual assaults and harassment but you are not worried about them?

No one demands that you worry about trans ideology but don’t criticise those that do. You will benefit from it in the long run.

But thats the point. Your most pressing issue for your tween is the remote possibility she may encounter a transwoman in a single sex space AND be uncomfortable with it. Mine is that they may be subject to gang related violence, rape by a non trans male who exploits her in several ways, domestic violence or be isolated from the education system due to her SEND and live her life in poverty. Some of those things have already been present in her life.
Can you see the difference?

It's not about whether a boy who thinks he's a girl might join their school, more about whether a boy who thinks he's a girl is allowed to shower with them (and they don't have the right to say no), or share a bedroom with them on a school trip.

Believing this issue is important is not an indicator of privilege. Quite the reverse. It is generally women from disadvantaged groups and women who have experienced male violence who understand the need for single sex spaces, and women who have never come face to face with the realities of these things who don't see the need for them.

Like Emma Watson, breathlessly gushing that of course trans women belong in women's spaces. Oh really, Emma? When was the last time you used a public toilet? I'm betting not since you were 9 and with your mum in Debenhams. Ever been in a rape crisis centre or a domestic violence shelter? No, thought not.

That’s your bar is it? Nobody you have spoken to personally in your capacity as a prison volunteer has reported a rape so that’s all ok?

https://sex-matters.org/where-sex-matters/prisons/

You seem to be a very busy bee, not only working a demanding job in the NHS but doing multiple volunteer jobs and supporting you close family, extended family and friends. I can see why you may have information overload and have ended up excluding some serious issues and vulnerable groups of women from your concerns.

That’s fine, just don’t criticise the rest of us.

Im not a prison volunteer, I am a hcp who provides maternity and womens healthcare to prisoners. That means I am privy to what they say in research and what they say in our appointments about their life and any issues they have. I will always prioritise their views over the speculation of people online and so does the government, sort of.

What is really odd is someone who works in maternity care pretending humans can't tell what sex other humans are.

What? Who is pretending that?

To friends and family - some but not all
On social media - no
At work (teaching) - no

It’s not ‘online speculation’ to say that men are in women’s prisons. It is fact.

The government are starting to recognise the issue and have put more restrictions on the men that can be placed but they are still there.

Working with traumatised women as you say, it is surprising that you don’t understand that they are not always good at advocating for their needs. Especially if they have been threatened with a longer sentence or loss of privileges for speaking out.

Maybe due to the extremely hard life you describe that you are leading, with gang crime, murder and food poverty etc, maybe you find it hard to see the wood for the trees. I hope you have appropriate support, be wary of getting burnt out and not looking after yourself.

Its online speculation to believe that female prisoners see it as a major concern

I'd argue that my.background makes me see far more of the forest than the little tree I planted in my back garden
.

And you know nothing about the background and experiences of women here

you seem to think that we're all a bunch of cashmere wearing, pearl clutching silly mummies with nothing better to worry about hence your superior attitude implying that only you have proper life experience worth listening to

No, you can't see the forest, that's your problem. You can only see the little area of woodland around your home and believe that your anecdotes are reality throughout the wider world. PSA: they're not.

Do you think the women you've come into contact with deserve single sex therapy for rape victims? Look up Sarah Summers and the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.

Do you think that DA / SA / rape victims (along with women of certain religions) should be able to go into a public loo or changing room stated as being 'women's' without the risk of bumping into a man who claims he's a woman?

You're focusing on the micro, not the macro. You aren't thinking about the wider public and context at all. So very insular.

You help prisoners in your line of work. I’m related to them. Or grew up with them. You know fuck all about the lives of the posters on this board so stop with the “I have more important things to worry about” bullshit please.

Yes, you are so terribly more worldly wise that all of us.

I must mention it to my goddaughter, who was sexually assaulted at 13 by a transwoman allowed into her dormitory because TWAW.

I'll also tell my autistic niece who is being groomed to think she's a boy and needs hormones just because she doesn't fit stereotypes of girls.

And my gay son who was assaulted in a gay nightclub for not accepting the overtures of a trans identifying bloke.

And my neighbour who used to come swimming with me to the women's session for physio but can't now because my city allows transwomen in the changing rooms and pools while her religion doesn't.

Yes, it's all just such a minor series of middle class woes that don't matter in the real world. Thank you for showing us the light, Lofty.