Expressing 'gender critical' views

[ArabellaSaurus]

If you hold gender critical views-

-There are two sexes
-Sex is immutable
-Biological sex matters, and laws relating to sex should be based on sex not 'gender'

• please tell me if you feel able to express these views:

-To friends and family
-On social media
-In a professional context

I'm keen to hear whether women in particular feel that their right to freedom of belief and freedom of expression is upheld in the UK today.

Many thanks.

Yes half is only half. The educational issues affect every child in my community. Every child is more than half of the children.

Such an interesting discussion. And chilling to see how the majority keep silent in the workplace from fear.
How did we get to a place where those working in the NHS, schools, mental health, universities etc are frightened of saying anything about the law, safeguarding and the rights of women?

I'm just at a loss why it would bother you how I or others choose to spend our time.

Is gardening okay? Crochet? What about campaigning against fox hunting? Have you a list of issues that are acceptable for me to spend time on, and how much time is okay?

yes that's what struck me. The vast majority of ppl will keep quiet at work enabling TRA to continue their "well no one objects" stance

the chilling effect indeed!

It really is bizarre. When else have people been attacked for discussion of issues that, as has been recently proved, are in accordance with the law?

Why are these particular issues subject to an omerta?

Why will we be attacked for talking about them, or apparently, even spending too much time thinking about them?!

I dont care how you spend your time. I'm just saying why this isn't a frequent conversation in my world. I am too busy with other issues that are more pressing for people in my community.

Carefree?! My life is far from carefree with my SEND kids and my bloody stressful job.

However, I have a tween daughter and I will not rest until she doesn't have to fear men encroaching on her single sex spaces.

Oh as a midwife, I am always advocating for the rights and safeguarding of women but more in relation to things that they seem to be most bothered about. Obstetric violence, DV, SA, racism, poverty as I keep coming back to. Those are the pressing issues for women in my community.

I work in legal services and our industry is (bafflingly) very captured. I can't even discuss the law in an environment where you'd think that people would be keen to uphold it!

I'm a 'gender realist'. I refuse to accept the label 'gender critical'. A man who thinks he's a woman is delusional. But as long as he doesn't impinge on my rights and freedoms then a deluded guy can think what he likes, just like a Christian or Muslim. It's a bit tiresome when they try to 'convert' you to their way of thinking but they soon give up when you keep asking "how do you know that's real?"

But thats the point. Your most pressing issue for your tween is the remote possibility she may encounter a transwoman in a single sex space AND be uncomfortable with it. Mine is that they may be subject to gang related violence, rape by a non trans male who exploits her in several ways, domestic violence or be isolated from the education system due to her SEND and live her life in poverty. Some of those things have already been present in her life.

Can you see the difference?

There's a part of me that gets it. Once you know about the experimental drugs and brutal surgery being inflicted on the mentally vulnerable young, you know they're being groomed into something that will harm them. Once you know about AGP, you view men in women's changing rooms differently.
But if you're clueless (or complicit in promoting) these things then maybe it does seem an over reaction?

After a lifetime in education & safeguarding I'll never view what's happening to children and young people caught up in thinking their bodies are wrong as anything other than abusive and dangerous. So I'll keep fighting for their rights to be safeguarded even though some people don't agree it's important.

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Stonewalls board was very finance & legal heavy when they began to push the trans issues. I believe a number of the magic circle law firms have or had in the last few years TW at very high levels. As always it only takes a few for the chilling effect to begin

See, I dont think it's baffling, so much as the result of deliberate campaigning. Any subject where people are forbidden from discussion or asking questions or dissent has been made that way for a reason, in my view.

At this point I think if the saying “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

There are many aspects to this ideology which I would class as evil - the attack on reality, society, women. The removal of safeguarding for children and actual physical harm they are being caused in the name of GI.

Where did I say it's my most pressing issue? I haven't listed all of my issues, let alone put them in order!

My most pressing issue with both of my kids is how, as autistic kids, they can grow up safely in a world they don't understand and which doesn't understand them. Autistic kids are particularly vulnerable in relation to gender issues, so of course it's something which I have to consider, along with all the other issues which come with being autistic.

You do understand that women and girls have been subjected to SA and abuse as a direct result of 'gender' rules, yes?

I'm a bit confused about why we're supposed to choose between various issues and ills of the world.
I'm in a better situation now but I had to navigate money worries and single parenthood alongside family illness etc, whilst also being forced to share the ladies toilets at work with a TIM without saying anything for fear of losing my job, and putting up with the nonsense of an ex who decided to identify as a woman (though later decided that they weren't after all).
Lots of different things have preyed on my mind over the years. Now I am in a much better situation though still not completely free to be honest, I do feel for everyone that is having to tiptoe around captured organisations and TRAs because that can be seriously detrimental to their working lives, family life, and mental health. And it's an extra burden that simply doesn't need to be there.

I’m a born and bred Londoner but moved out to Essex about 9 years ago. I come from a working class background and most of the people I mix with are the same. It’s just a load of nonsense to us all.

This. I’m a parent of a SEND teenager (plus busy professional job plus involved in community plus volunteering) and SEND children particularly ASD girls are so vulnerable to this ideology. I think that unnecessarily medicating and castrating SEND children is very serious. I think women’s rights are also serious.

To get back to the thread topic, do I talk about this openly?

Family and friends almost always yes, might be delicate or silent with some (affirming parents of trans kids)

Social media - no, couldn’t face the pile ons. Keep meaning to open an anonymous account so that I can like GC posts and not just nod vigorously. I do post on Mumsnet where it’s anonymous anyway.

Professionally - yes if one to one (sometimes with caution). I also try to tackle the forms we get misrepresenting protected characteristics. Don’t do much very publicly but try to work behind the scenes. I hope I would speak out if I saw someone bullied.

I find it weird how obsessed people are on here to the point they imagine women in the news are really men. Women with huge boobs and pics of themselves as a child but they still imagine that this terrible person just must be a man and could never be a saintly woman. Really odd behaviour here.

Wow! Quite a sweeping dismissal of the years of harm and horrendous treatment many in here have been subjected to. Did you miss PPs mention of the mother whose mental health is destroyed because her son has been captured by the cult? Just one of an unfathomable number of situations.

It seems that you are referring to the thread on the nursery worker recently convicted of CSA and the media reporting the perpetrator as being a woman but many are understandably suspicious because the media have literally destroyed all trust we have in them.

Why do you think it is ‘odd’ not to trust a set of people who repeatedly and deliberately lie to our detriment? I think it would be odd if we did trust them.

Like most of us presumably - juggling a multitude of issues.
One thing I have learned is that it's useful to respect that other people have different priorities to me - and that doesn't make them wrong. In fact, it's interesting, informative and productive to develop the skills of mutual respect and understanding.
Critical for me when working with people with different mindsets and life experiences.

It doesnt make them wrong at all but it does show what they can afford to spend their time on. The chances of a trans student joining my kids school is very small. The chances that my kid doesnt get the support they are entitled to in school is very high and is already happening.

Because there was the social media profiles of the person right there and they were clearly a woman yet some strange individuals were desperate to see a man and deluded themselves into believing they did. It was hilariously bizarre.

perhaps if so many media outlets hadn't spent so many years reporting crimes committed by men as being committed by women we'd be more trusting

but they did do that

so we're not