Interview with Kara Dansky and Charlie Kirk

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There's been a lot of pp saying how hateful he was, especially as regards to women, but I think it's useful to know that he was willing to platform someone like Kara Dansky, a self professed left wing feminist, and to know that he actually listened to what she had to say. I hate how polarised politics has become, and I think what we need right now more than ever is to actually listen to pp that we disagree with.

Kara is at just the same risk of being murdered for her views as Charlie was, and he definitely didnt deserve to die for them.

https://open.substack.com/pub/karadansky/p/my-2022-interview-with-charlie-kirk?utmcampaign=post&utmmedium=web

The right-wing press was the only one who would platform radical feminists at the time. You didn’t have to actually agree with the Charlie Kirk and Matt Walsh types. They didn’t demand ideological obedience. (But your opponents would then try to smear you by association).

This was a great interview. Kara was so clear and should be heard widely. Thank you to CK for giving her a respectful platform. They must have disagreed on so many points but showed that you can still agree on other points and talk about them.

It’s so sad that your opinions can get you killed. Then people will colour you evil for the opinions they didn’t like.

I'm sure there’s a word, I wish I knew it, for painting people’s motivations unfairly. It’s like an exaggeration and a twisting until it looks monstrous.

Thanks for posting this. Very informative.

Kara Dansky also tweeted this after Kirk’s death. It was one of the first things I read about him and possibly the best, I certainly found it very moving;

’I disagreed with Charlie Kirk on just about everything. But, we shared an opposition to "gender identity" and the abolition of sex.

‘He once had me on his show to discuss it. He was polite, outgoing, and funny.

‘During the interview, I said something about the "TQIA." He exclaimed, "I don't know what any of that means!" I said, "Don't worry, nobody does."

‘He and his entire audience laughed.

’I am not a Republican, and I am certainly not MAGA. But I am grieving his death in part because he was a human being, in part because he leaves behind a wife and two children, and in part because of what this says about American society.

’I will not take any part in any political violence, and I will stand with anyone, wherever they stand on the political spectrum, who will denounce it.

’I hope America can recover from this.

#RIP

‘EDIT: I will block anyone who comes on here to glorify violence.’

https://x.com/KDansky/status/1965887040010203358

This has parallels with the UK, hasn't it? Julie Bindel writing opinion columns in the Mail, Hadley Freeman at the Times and Suzanne Moore for the Telegraph. The Graun should have been their place, but they decided to shut them up, sacrifices on the altar of trans.

It’s a really great interview but I don’t agree with her statement (just before 4 mins) that opposition to gender identity in the UK is coming from the rank and file members of the Labour Party.

Well said Kara!
I'm very much a lefty but I agreed with Farage that HS2 should never have been started. We'll doubtlessly come at it from different angles and I soundly condemn his rhetoric on migrants and the climate.
You never agree or disagree 100% with anyone. And let's not forget Jo Cox and David Amess were murdered here for having opinions their murderers didn't like.

He also spoke to detransitioners, including Ritchie Herron I think.

It was a lot harder than it looks. You basically had to build a platform that was uncancellable - anyone who said, for instance, TWANW could be debanked, demonitized, unable to schedule bookings, unable to hire promotion, unable to find hosts for events, have social media accounts suspended and have anyone carrying their message have their content branded as unsafe. There level of repression was (and still is) ridiculous.

I agree. Also, I had never heard of her before but think she is a particularly fluent and persuasive speaker.

I think what she meant was that most of the prominent voices would have at one point been associated or identified with the Left...which is true.

I think HS2 was badly communicated from the start......but Britain now remains the only major country in Europe without a high speed rail infrastructure.

Our rail infrastructure is over-loaded and there is not enough capacity for all the freight that needs to use it, never mind the people and connections that many cities require in order to be connected and economically viable......apart from London, of course.

I think Farage dismisses the imprtance of rail because he doesn't understand its necessity.

That's not how I interpreted what she said. She said that in the UK, the people speaking out about gender identity are mainly the rank and file of the Labour party whereas in the US, they are on the right of the political spectrum.

It very much sounded like she was talking about the current state of affairs in the UK.

Yes, she's not quite got it right........but the sentiment is still the same. Where are all of the rebellious registered Democrat voters speaking out about and against trans ideology in the way that equivalent Labour voters have been here?

The way intersectionality is widely interpreted, people on the team are expected to have the full box-set of views. They come as a package, so there's no bedfellows issue with, say, going on the same Gaza demo as Nick Griffin. But if left wing gender critical women share similar conclusions with gender-enforcing right wing men, then they are to be viewed as the same.

We have Labour/ Lib Dem’s/ and Greens - all more Left - institutionally captured.

Labour is only just, just beginning to question their previous stance and they are still extremely reluctant to be open about it. Lib Dem and Greens not at all.

But my point is that many of the women, myself included,, who post here. for example have been Labour party voters and/or members in the past, and some still are. In fact many have repeatedly referenced how they see themselves as being fundamentally more of the Left - except for this whole trans/identity politics stuff.

But yes, all of the parties, with the exception of the Tories have been fundamentally captured in terms of ideological allegiance.

I think most Americans are not familiar ( why should they be?) with the nuances of British culture and politics and so they miss the mark quite often.

I think most Americans are not familiar ( why should they be?) with the nuances of British culture and politics and so they miss the mark quite often.

I think that's a consistent problem. When Eric Idle was trying to sell Monty Python in America, John Cleese thought it would never catch on because there were so many specifically British references that Americans would never understand it. What happened was that Americans loved it, but the bits they didn't understand they just processed as "random".

Lots of Brits think they get American culture and politics because we see so much of it, but most of what we see via British media is a specific NYC and Los Angeles culture, and Brits often have a very cartoonish view of the whole continent in between.

Thanks to extended family, I know quite a few weird details about Utah Mormon culture and history, but that just brings home to me how much I don't know.

I guess none of you are black. It’s the only way you can go out of your way to highlight this man’s ’virtues’. I don’t believe anyone is born bad or is irredeemably bad, I guess that’s my Christian upbringing, but I also don’t understand the deification of this man and the need for many people on this website to paint him in the best possible light. He’s not the first public figure to be shot and killed, even this year. If those deaths were even mentioned on Mumsnet, they certainly weren’t given much attention.

I’d never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot and his death had little impact on me. I have serious issues in my own life, people are shot and killed in America every day and there is a lot of suffering going on around the world, a lot of atrocities committed. It didn’t seem to be an incident that affected me in any significant way, even when I discovered his position on transgender ideology. I share essentially the same position on transgender ideology with many people I don’t want to be associated with.

Then I read his comments about black people. I can’t wax lyrical about how Charlie Kirk was ‘decent’ and ‘respectful’. How, ‘Isn’t it nice he gave his political opponents a platform’. And I can’t feel any kind of kinship with people who, knowing what he’s said about black people, still feel compelled to highlight his good qualities.

Let me be clear: I don’t believe he should have been killed. I don’t even support the death penalty in any circumstance, so I can hardly support Charlie Kirk being killed. But I am learning, not for the first time, that Mumsnetters in general, and users of this subforum (FWR) tend to ignore black people and our concerns, until we are useful. Whether that is taking cases to court when much is made of the claimant’s ethnic heritage (why?) or the perennial ‘transgenderism is womanface, it’s offensive like blackface’.

You have no idea and I think it is possible you will never understand just how much slights about my ethnic heritage cut deep. Slights to my womanhood are pretty trivial in comparison. I think this is something white women will never understand. So, you go on singing the virtues of Charlie Kirk. We’ll be here the next time you need to exploit us for your own purposes.

Of course Kirk was 'sympathetic'….the far right exploiting 'degeneracy' as a trojan horse to smuggle in their patriarchal white nationalist crony capitalist aspirations is an oldie but goodie….just ask the Nazis.

https://theconversation.com/how-the-nazis-destroyed-the-first-gay-rights-movement-80354

And that's your take? Seriously?

Our country is one of the smallest in Europe, by the time it got up to speed it would have to start slowing down again. And all for 20 mins, or not even that, off a journey from London to Manchester. Complete waste of money, which should have been spent on upgrading existing networks and reinstating some in the north. We had Ely have any that go west to east and vice versa, most journeys go north south/South North.

Are you stating this as your opinion or the opinion you think society has?

Sorry, I was trying to summarise 'thinking' that's currently prevalent on the identitarian/liberal left.

Thinking that women critical of gender and gender ideology are thereby aligned with the right, also attaches importance to the right that they're seemingly incapable of attaching to women.