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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Interview with Kara Dansky and Charlie Kirk

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Appalonia · 14/09/2025 00:44

There's been a lot of pp saying how hateful he was, especially as regards to women, but I think it's useful to know that he was willing to platform someone like Kara Dansky, a self professed left wing feminist, and to know that he actually listened to what she had to say. I hate how polarised politics has become, and I think what we need right now more than ever is to actually listen to pp that we disagree with.

Kara is at just the same risk of being murdered for her views as Charlie was, and he definitely didnt deserve to die for them.

https://open.substack.com/pub/karadansky/p/my-2022-interview-with-charlie-kirk?utmcampaign=post&utmmedium=web

My 2022 interview with Charlie Kirk

September 13, 2025

https://karadansky.substack.com/p/my-2022-interview-with-charlie-kirk?triedRedirect=true

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RingoJuice · 17/09/2025 04:43

Howseitgoin · 17/09/2025 00:33

Strawman.
My point is disinformation has an influence on people's accuracy in understanding. See: Vaccines.

Edited

Hope you weren’t one of those pushing the, ‘guy with a trans identified boyfriend was ackshully a conservative’. Talk about disinformation and influencing people’s accuracy in understanding an event …

Howseitgoin · 17/09/2025 05:37

RingoJuice · 17/09/2025 04:41

People always point to legacy admissions as a reason why we should keep doing affirmative action or caring about DEI.

Why don’t they ever just advocate for the end of legacy admissions? I think most people would agree with that (except the extremely wealthy).

Universities themselves however like to be at the nexus of power, so getting them to stop is very challenging.

But IME progressives don’t care. It’s just that they point to it as a reason why they should keep affirmative action policies in place.

They point to the inconsistency. If your'e going to point to merit then both are problematic. Same with race. You just can't have it one way.

I'm personally fine with maintaining legacy, donor & sporting admits & AA as they all bring value to university life. For me as long as the student is capable of completing the course, a slight relaxation of academic qualification is worth it for a minority of students & the purely academic students benefit from them.

I'm actually opposed to a strictly academic admission procedure because the world isn't like that. Employers don't just select on qualifications but soft skills & other beneficial qualities/skills/experiences so college life & entry requirements or should reflect that.

Howseitgoin · 17/09/2025 05:41

RingoJuice · 17/09/2025 04:43

Hope you weren’t one of those pushing the, ‘guy with a trans identified boyfriend was ackshully a conservative’. Talk about disinformation and influencing people’s accuracy in understanding an event …

No I wasn't. I don't see one's personal life or political affiliations as particularly relevant as mass shooters come from all walks of life.Ultimately it gets down to the common denominators of mental health problems, gun access & inflammatory language.

BundleBoogie · 17/09/2025 07:24

Howseitgoin · 16/09/2025 22:58

Um, he lied about KJB…but you know that….

Kirk is also an unabashed white nationalist & proponent of Great Replacement Theory so I suggest you do you find out what all that means…

No he didn’t. You’ve misunderstood the whole conversation.

Jo Biden undermined Ketanjie Browns appointment by stating that he was determined to recruit a black woman.

In saying that he implied that he was not looking for the overall best candidate but the best black female candidate. That’s on him. Charlie Kirk was discussing that.

Your ‘evidence’ that CK was racist was him saying that Ketanjie was a diversity recruit - that’s exactly what Joe Biden did.

Howseitgoin · 17/09/2025 07:29

BundleBoogie · 17/09/2025 07:24

No he didn’t. You’ve misunderstood the whole conversation.

Jo Biden undermined Ketanjie Browns appointment by stating that he was determined to recruit a black woman.

In saying that he implied that he was not looking for the overall best candidate but the best black female candidate. That’s on him. Charlie Kirk was discussing that.

Your ‘evidence’ that CK was racist was him saying that Ketanjie was a diversity recruit - that’s exactly what Joe Biden did.

However you want to spin this, there's no getting around KJB's qualifications AND that CK knew but exploited 'the narrative' anyway. Blaming Biden's framing won't change that.

BundleBoogie · 17/09/2025 08:04

Howseitgoin · 17/09/2025 00:33

Strawman.
My point is disinformation has an influence on people's accuracy in understanding. See: Vaccines.

Edited

But you post disinformation and misinformation in an attempt to influence people’s understanding.

BundleBoogie · 17/09/2025 08:11

Howseitgoin · 17/09/2025 07:29

However you want to spin this, there's no getting around KJB's qualifications AND that CK knew but exploited 'the narrative' anyway. Blaming Biden's framing won't change that.

It’s not ‘spin’ to point out the very real issues that CK was discussing and I don’t know why you keep repeating that he knew her qualifications- of course he did, everyone does - that’s the irony. But you don’t seem to see that.

She could be the most highly qualified person in the world but Joe Biden had already undermined her appointment. CK was highlighting this. You accused him of being a racist for doing so.

Helleofabore · 17/09/2025 08:51

I have watched videos where Kirk explained his issues with DEI and affirmative action very clearly. He had been clear that his discussions were about ensuring the person had the best qualifications and fit for the job. His argument didn’t change across multiple discussions about the topics. He was arguing against forced specification and meeting quotas. There are valid concerns about imposing quotas rather than using other DEI initiatives to remove systemic oppression to allow people access to opportunities.

The issue was that so many of the discussions were people telling him he was wrong. Are there any videos where someone asked him what he suggested to address the systemic issues that prevented people from getting those qualifications and the opportunities that gave relevant experience?

So much of the discussion on social media has been twisted away from what he was trying to point out. That DEI needs to be evaluated and it needs modification if that review has found that outcomes are not meeting the standard.

I support many DEI initiatives in principle. However, if these are not producing high quality results, changes need to be made. As with every programme for change that has been introduced into any government.

Helleofabore · 17/09/2025 08:55

Someone can indeed have the best qualifications in the world and still not be the best candidate for a role. And Biden declaring that he was deliberately seeking a person from a particular demographic and likely made the choice based on that demographic did significantly undermine that person’s appointment.

RingoJuice · 17/09/2025 09:36

The issue was that so many of the discussions were people telling him he was wrong. Are there any videos where someone asked him what he suggested to address the systemic issues that prevented people from getting those qualifications and the opportunities that gave relevant experience?

To me, I don’t know why anyone looks at aviation and has an issue with the skin color and sex of the pilot. So it is overwhelmingly white and male. Who the fuck cares?

Helleofabore · 17/09/2025 09:50

RingoJuice · 17/09/2025 09:36

The issue was that so many of the discussions were people telling him he was wrong. Are there any videos where someone asked him what he suggested to address the systemic issues that prevented people from getting those qualifications and the opportunities that gave relevant experience?

To me, I don’t know why anyone looks at aviation and has an issue with the skin color and sex of the pilot. So it is overwhelmingly white and male. Who the fuck cares?

Aviation is a strange one. Of course, intake of ex-military pilots is huge and the demographic of those tends to be male. Partly due to some types of fighters needing physical requirements to cope with gravitational force.

DrBlackbird · 17/09/2025 10:00

I have watched videos where Kirk explained his issues with DEI and affirmative action very clearly. He had been clear that his discussions were about ensuring the person had the best qualifications and fit for the job. His argument didn’t change across multiple discussions about the topics. He was arguing against forced specification and meeting quotas. There are valid concerns about imposing quotas rather than using other DEI initiatives to remove systemic oppression to allow people access to opportunities.

The issue was that so many of the discussions were people telling him he was wrong. Are there any videos where someone asked him what he suggested to address the systemic issues that prevented people from getting those qualifications and the opportunities that gave relevant experience?

This is an excellent point @Helleofabore I’d never heard of Charlie Kirk before his death, but the whole ‘merit based’ claim in hiring or facilitating admissions is rife with issues and inconsistencies. If someone had fully addressed and critiqued his position with clear evidence that might have helped move the conversation on if he’d have been willing to hear and acknowledge the evidence.

Tragic that opportunity can now never happen and opposing views are only further entrenched and polarised.

Helleofabore · 17/09/2025 10:12

DrBlackbird · 17/09/2025 10:00

I have watched videos where Kirk explained his issues with DEI and affirmative action very clearly. He had been clear that his discussions were about ensuring the person had the best qualifications and fit for the job. His argument didn’t change across multiple discussions about the topics. He was arguing against forced specification and meeting quotas. There are valid concerns about imposing quotas rather than using other DEI initiatives to remove systemic oppression to allow people access to opportunities.

The issue was that so many of the discussions were people telling him he was wrong. Are there any videos where someone asked him what he suggested to address the systemic issues that prevented people from getting those qualifications and the opportunities that gave relevant experience?

This is an excellent point @Helleofabore I’d never heard of Charlie Kirk before his death, but the whole ‘merit based’ claim in hiring or facilitating admissions is rife with issues and inconsistencies. If someone had fully addressed and critiqued his position with clear evidence that might have helped move the conversation on if he’d have been willing to hear and acknowledge the evidence.

Tragic that opportunity can now never happen and opposing views are only further entrenched and polarised.

Thing is DrB, is that I don’t know that he would disagree that initiatives were needed to get people who needed equitable assistance to get the equality outcome. He did seem willing to listen and engage to others opinions and questions. However, those interactions don’t make exciting soundbites.

DrBlackbird · 17/09/2025 20:05

Helleofabore · 17/09/2025 10:12

Thing is DrB, is that I don’t know that he would disagree that initiatives were needed to get people who needed equitable assistance to get the equality outcome. He did seem willing to listen and engage to others opinions and questions. However, those interactions don’t make exciting soundbites.

As I didn’t ever listen to him, I can’t comment with authority but I was under the impression that he was against EDI? And for ‘merit’ based hiring. It’d have been interesting for him to have gone up against a really well informed person who could speak as elegantly on the evidence. Unfortunately, that can never happen now and instead only an increasing atmosphere of danger for any disagreement or discussion.

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