Sikh woman raped in apparently racially motivated attack

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Terrible. We need look out for ourselves and where possible other women, given the police seem far too unreliable and there is rising misogyny is various forms- in this case apparently aggravated by racism..

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/12/alleged-rape-sikh-woman-west-midlands-hate-crime

Nailed itn

Actually, you seem to be right. I'm not sure where I got the idea that as soon as alcohol was involved you can't consent.

Google is telling me that some training mentions one drink, so maybe the argument is that in some cases it should be avoided entirely as people's tolerance various. Perhaps that's more safeguarding guidance etc. But in general you seem to be right about it being based on impairment.

It would be looked at in the balance of evidence and the fact that the alleged victim was drunk and the alleged perpetrator had only had one or was sober would be taken into consideration. If they were both drunk I think there would have to be something else to support the allegation of rape, which typically is hard to prove at the best of times.

Anyway, going back to the topic. This really resonates with me because I live five mins from the edge of the Oldbury district. Until a year ago I actually worked in Oldbury for a Sikh run business (and my previous employer was also Sikh run - I worked for a fairly large company and then a smaller startup created by one of the directors of the previous company).

The head office wasn't in Oldbury, was in a nearby town, but many of my workmates were Sikhs from the area. Given how tight knit the community is I'd not be surprised at all if some of them knew the victim or her extended family.

The family will very very much shut down and keep this as private as possible from extended family, neighbours and friends.

Did no one read the article?

They apparently said “you don’t belong here get out” as they were doing so this is probably why it’s classed as a hate crime??

With grooming gangs these were vulnerable girls, in care or from very troubled homes which is what made them vulnerable and also why the police ignore them as they saw them as deserving or trouble or trash.

they have a lot to answer for and they’re hiding behind political correctness. When they were doing what they always doing which is profiling working class and troubled girls as “lying slags”

Fgs yes we did

and if you read the thread, we are debating it

I hope she doesn’t. Too much work to be done.

The same concept applies to assaults and murder so I don’t understand why some posters struggle with it being applied in the case of rape too.

Opportunity, vulnerability and hatred of women. Rape is motivated less by sex and more by the desire for control and power.

On mumsnet? Ok

Well, considering many of the posts on here, yes!

At the risk of sounding naive, rape has always baffled me because I can't understand how violence, assault, and arousal can coexist.

Obviously they do, I just find it impossible to understand. In my understanding one negates the other.

I guess there may be an amount of just inability to understand why?

What do you mean?

Wtf

You are saying you struggle to understand why a rapist would rape?

Yes. What is with all the sweary responses?

Insanity

Well, that's a possibility. I'd assumed you just weren't expressing yourself very well.

Just bizarre

I have never heard anyone basically say… you know what, I just don’t get rapists. Baffling. I need to feel aroused to have sex.

i mean… just speechless

I think there are two things at play, sometimes together, sometimes one or the other. Active sadism, where someone, overwhelmingly more men, gets sexual gratification from causing people or animals pain (which can be psychological). And objectification where the gratification is the only thing that matters, and the person is just an object you can use to get it.

Because rape is not actually about sex. It’s about power and control . That’s where the vast majority of the arousal/satisfaction comes from.

And if he would only do that to a woman of a particular race? Making that clear as he did it?

Right, but as Eresh describes above, there's also arousal involved.

I do understand the theories about power etc, I was actually responding to a comment and trying to suggest a reason why some people may struggle to grasp some of the motivations behind rape.

Because to a non sadist, they are baffling.