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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Serious life ending Sexual assault on a stroke ward

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mrshoho · 04/09/2025 09:44

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death - BBC News https://share.google/E1kG2EjcGHJWiPXvA

Omfg. This is just horrendous. This poor woman. Bled to death on a stroke ward following a sexual assault on the ward. What on earth?

Valerie Kneale, with shoulder-length grey curly hair, wears a pink, lilac and green floral blouse as she is photographed in a garden. She is standing in front of a pebble-dashed house with a white plastic door and windows.

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death

Valerie Kneale's inquest is told she died because of a "forcible sexual assault" while in hospital.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9neq9e7qqo

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Dumbo12 · 07/09/2025 13:22

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2025 13:17

Yes, there was also a police murder enquiry, but it has been closed due to a lack of evidence.

Ah sorry, I missed that the police had begun a murder enquiry. I am horrified that this woman died, during a time when she was receiving end of life "care" and no one noticed, or checked her body.

HellHospital · 07/09/2025 13:53

Dumbo12 · 07/09/2025 13:22

Ah sorry, I missed that the police had begun a murder enquiry. I am horrified that this woman died, during a time when she was receiving end of life "care" and no one noticed, or checked her body.

I don't think she was recieving end of life care, that's the point she was lucid, sitting up and talking with family before the assault, I believe.

The coroner said he believed she would have recovered and survived longer if she had not been brutally sexually assaulted. This assault caused her death, she was murdered.

The purpitraiter probably did not intend to kill her, but he raped her and she died from the injuries of that.

No evidence, the only thing they know is that it is a man, unless it was a sick woman using an instrument of some kind, which doesn't bear thinking about but the law does, and that there seemed to be a willfull cover up on the ward.

It throws up so many questions, how many others were subjected this, how many patients had died due to over prescribing sedation, it's completely mindblowing to think this this ward was where possible mass murderers worked.
If I had relatives on that ward who had passed away I would be seriously asking questions.

There must be something that can be done to prevent this happening again.

Dumbo12 · 07/09/2025 14:00

That was my point. She was put on end of life "care" after the assault which resulted in her death, during the period of end of life care not one member of staff was aware of her serious injury? Every member of staff who had an interaction with her should be held accountable and that should be discoverable from her medical / nursing record

HellHospital · 07/09/2025 14:10

Dumbo12 · 07/09/2025 14:00

That was my point. She was put on end of life "care" after the assault which resulted in her death, during the period of end of life care not one member of staff was aware of her serious injury? Every member of staff who had an interaction with her should be held accountable and that should be discoverable from her medical / nursing record

Yes, my apologies.

End of life care after the assault.

With no actual care.

Mustbethat · 07/09/2025 14:43

Dumbo12 · 07/09/2025 14:00

That was my point. She was put on end of life "care" after the assault which resulted in her death, during the period of end of life care not one member of staff was aware of her serious injury? Every member of staff who had an interaction with her should be held accountable and that should be discoverable from her medical / nursing record

It appears from they enquiry there was no visible injuries or any indication an assault had taken place place. It was only after death when she bled that it became evident.

it even says she was clinically stable and no signs of a serious bleed such as blood pressure or pulse change. Which appears to mean she was on clotting medication for her brain bleed so this prevented the active bleeding until death- the enquiry says the bleed wasn’t evident when she was alive due to “clotting”.

so not sure you can blame staff.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 07/09/2025 15:00

logiccalls · 06/09/2025 19:02

How could 85% have got on planes with no documents? It would appear simple to require all transport carriers to take copies of documents and references and contacts, and to photograph and take fingerprints and/or cheek swabs from each one, as a condition of taking the journey, and give each an identifying wrist stamp, before boarding, which could be re-checked during the journey and prior to arrival. Full details could have been sent ahead to the destination, prior to the journey, so if everything was in order, their exit through the terminal would be expedited. It would presumably help everyone to keep each batch of arrivals segregated, and to keep each carrier's wrist-stamp colours and numbering/lettering distinctive.

They destroy documents on the plane, many planes are grounded for a full search, usually pieces of the passport is recovered, the identifying parts gone.
Crazy that they allow anyone in without documents.
I doubt it's 85%, although passport control was abandoned feb 2022.
Anyone claiming must be finger printed in IPAS, no background checks.
There was a recent killing, both involved where ipas residents, both had previous deportation orders from Europe for rape.
Many come from the UK through NI without documents.
A recent case of a young girl left alone while suicidal, her health care assistant had fake documents.
Another, CAMH's psychologist had fake documents.
Definitely need a world ID data base.

mrshoho · 07/09/2025 15:23

Mustbethat · 07/09/2025 14:43

It appears from they enquiry there was no visible injuries or any indication an assault had taken place place. It was only after death when she bled that it became evident.

it even says she was clinically stable and no signs of a serious bleed such as blood pressure or pulse change. Which appears to mean she was on clotting medication for her brain bleed so this prevented the active bleeding until death- the enquiry says the bleed wasn’t evident when she was alive due to “clotting”.

so not sure you can blame staff.

Trigger Warning
This article goes into detail about the horrific injuries that the pathologist described as unprecedented to anything he'd heard or seen.

The blood loss noticed after death was not even noted and was seen by at least 3 healthcare professionals. In another report it does state that her medical notes had been falsified. A damning cover up took place. If the blood loss had been reported at the time, vital evidence would have been obtained. It is disgraceful.

I'm a pathologist of 37 years & I've only seen injuries like this from car crashes share.google/sIwmQ7podvNWU9FUG

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AnnHedonia · 07/09/2025 16:08

mrshoho · 07/09/2025 15:23

Trigger Warning
This article goes into detail about the horrific injuries that the pathologist described as unprecedented to anything he'd heard or seen.

The blood loss noticed after death was not even noted and was seen by at least 3 healthcare professionals. In another report it does state that her medical notes had been falsified. A damning cover up took place. If the blood loss had been reported at the time, vital evidence would have been obtained. It is disgraceful.

I'm a pathologist of 37 years & I've only seen injuries like this from car crashes share.google/sIwmQ7podvNWU9FUG

God, that poor, poor woman, and her poor family. It's too terrible for words.

Namitynamename · 07/09/2025 16:10

EmeraldShamrock000 · 07/09/2025 15:00

They destroy documents on the plane, many planes are grounded for a full search, usually pieces of the passport is recovered, the identifying parts gone.
Crazy that they allow anyone in without documents.
I doubt it's 85%, although passport control was abandoned feb 2022.
Anyone claiming must be finger printed in IPAS, no background checks.
There was a recent killing, both involved where ipas residents, both had previous deportation orders from Europe for rape.
Many come from the UK through NI without documents.
A recent case of a young girl left alone while suicidal, her health care assistant had fake documents.
Another, CAMH's psychologist had fake documents.
Definitely need a world ID data base.

Problem is the alternative to "allowing them in" would be sending them back to the UK and I dont think the UK has a legal requirement to take them (might need to check). And I imagine the perspective given by the UK press if the UK volunteered to take "failed asylum seekers" from Ireland would be... Robust. Even though it's the same problem in reverse as we have with France and actually would be the best deterrent to people destroying their passport en route.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2025 16:24

mrshoho · 07/09/2025 15:23

Trigger Warning
This article goes into detail about the horrific injuries that the pathologist described as unprecedented to anything he'd heard or seen.

The blood loss noticed after death was not even noted and was seen by at least 3 healthcare professionals. In another report it does state that her medical notes had been falsified. A damning cover up took place. If the blood loss had been reported at the time, vital evidence would have been obtained. It is disgraceful.

I'm a pathologist of 37 years & I've only seen injuries like this from car crashes share.google/sIwmQ7podvNWU9FUG

Horrific.

HellHospital · 07/09/2025 17:58

mrshoho · 07/09/2025 15:23

Trigger Warning
This article goes into detail about the horrific injuries that the pathologist described as unprecedented to anything he'd heard or seen.

The blood loss noticed after death was not even noted and was seen by at least 3 healthcare professionals. In another report it does state that her medical notes had been falsified. A damning cover up took place. If the blood loss had been reported at the time, vital evidence would have been obtained. It is disgraceful.

I'm a pathologist of 37 years & I've only seen injuries like this from car crashes share.google/sIwmQ7podvNWU9FUG

Yes horific, I wonder if the poor woman fought against the bastard in her weakened state.

One thing I can't understand is the coroner speaking of seeing so much blood on the sheets, I thought evidence had been cleared, ie blood samples for DNA and also the post mortum was 18 days later.

Would a blood stained bed not trigger concerns and a faster PM.

Some of the timelines seem off to me.

TheSquashyHatofMrGnosspelius · 07/09/2025 18:18

After my recent hospital visit, I think who is allowed onto wards should be restricted and ideally each ward have a 'family room' so visitors could visit you but not on the ward.

I was so ill but the woman in the bed next to me had her husband, sisters and loads of teens visit every day. There was at least nine of them every day and they were so so loud it was like having a loud telly with a rubbish soap opera blaring out on the other side of the curtain from 2pm to 8pm every single day shrieking and bellowing and shouting into their phones the whole time.

It was a nightmare. If there was a family room, they could all bugger off there and leave sick people to get well in peace.

logiccalls · 07/09/2025 20:02

TheSquashyHatofMrGnosspelius · 07/09/2025 18:18

After my recent hospital visit, I think who is allowed onto wards should be restricted and ideally each ward have a 'family room' so visitors could visit you but not on the ward.

I was so ill but the woman in the bed next to me had her husband, sisters and loads of teens visit every day. There was at least nine of them every day and they were so so loud it was like having a loud telly with a rubbish soap opera blaring out on the other side of the curtain from 2pm to 8pm every single day shrieking and bellowing and shouting into their phones the whole time.

It was a nightmare. If there was a family room, they could all bugger off there and leave sick people to get well in peace.

No difficulty in saying one quiet visitor at a time, per bed, while others wait quietly in the corridor?

logiccalls · 07/09/2025 20:18

EmeraldShamrock000 · 07/09/2025 15:00

They destroy documents on the plane, many planes are grounded for a full search, usually pieces of the passport is recovered, the identifying parts gone.
Crazy that they allow anyone in without documents.
I doubt it's 85%, although passport control was abandoned feb 2022.
Anyone claiming must be finger printed in IPAS, no background checks.
There was a recent killing, both involved where ipas residents, both had previous deportation orders from Europe for rape.
Many come from the UK through NI without documents.
A recent case of a young girl left alone while suicidal, her health care assistant had fake documents.
Another, CAMH's psychologist had fake documents.
Definitely need a world ID data base.

Yes, that is why I suggest making carriers responsible, and making them take full information to retain, and to also send ahead.But my other suggestion was that every passenger before boarding would have a wrist stamp, with indelible ink to ensure s/he was identified by the code on the stamp being linked to the details/photo/ fingerprints lodged with the airline. Their wrists could be checked prior to letting them off the plane. If there was anything wrong, the airline would have the responsibility of returning them to the airport of departure. They and the airline would gain nothing by destroying details.The airlines might quickly find it convenient to demand the passports be put in a locked box during the flight, each labelled with the same code as shown on the wrist stamp.

IOSTT · 07/09/2025 20:55

Gareth Thompson, representing Mrs Kneale's family, asked Mr Pover why he had not raised the matter with anyone else, saying: "The nurse brought concerns to you. Why didn't you do your job and react to those concerns?"
Mr Pover said he honestly did not know.
He told the inquest that he thought he had underestimated the seriousness of the situation.
"I don't think I computed it as blood," he said.

(Matthew Pover was a senior nurse working in the stroke unit and part of the team who looked after her)

So he was a senior nurse, and didn’t compute that it was blood 🤔

SeaCampion · 09/09/2025 17:22

Why can't CCTV recordings of premises be kept securely and long-term for vulnerable people who are being looked after in any parts of the care system? At least then there would be visual records of the people in the vicinity at the time of any violent incident. I realise that there may be cost implications and issues about the rights of individuals for privacy, but surely public areas could be continuously monitored and retention of film funded? I really dislike the idea of so much long-term monitoring but I'd put up with it in places like hospitals to stop something like this happening again.

BusterGonad · 11/09/2025 13:14

IOSTT · 07/09/2025 20:55

Gareth Thompson, representing Mrs Kneale's family, asked Mr Pover why he had not raised the matter with anyone else, saying: "The nurse brought concerns to you. Why didn't you do your job and react to those concerns?"
Mr Pover said he honestly did not know.
He told the inquest that he thought he had underestimated the seriousness of the situation.
"I don't think I computed it as blood," he said.

(Matthew Pover was a senior nurse working in the stroke unit and part of the team who looked after her)

So he was a senior nurse, and didn’t compute that it was blood 🤔

Edited

He knew alright. I'd bet money it was him.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 12/09/2025 11:44

SeaCampion · 09/09/2025 17:22

Why can't CCTV recordings of premises be kept securely and long-term for vulnerable people who are being looked after in any parts of the care system? At least then there would be visual records of the people in the vicinity at the time of any violent incident. I realise that there may be cost implications and issues about the rights of individuals for privacy, but surely public areas could be continuously monitored and retention of film funded? I really dislike the idea of so much long-term monitoring but I'd put up with it in places like hospitals to stop something like this happening again.

Possibly they are now? I would say the technology is improving all the time I had cctv put in ten years ago and the storage unit was half a terabyte which was a lot at the time. The maintenance guy reckons standard unit now is 4 terabytes and half the price I paid.

Lalgarh · 12/09/2025 12:48

But if it's only mandatory to keep it for a week or so and there are cost pressures on storage..

2018 would have meant it was subject to gdpr, which tends to give an impetus to delete

DuesToTheDirt · 12/09/2025 13:37

TheSquashyHatofMrGnosspelius · 07/09/2025 18:18

After my recent hospital visit, I think who is allowed onto wards should be restricted and ideally each ward have a 'family room' so visitors could visit you but not on the ward.

I was so ill but the woman in the bed next to me had her husband, sisters and loads of teens visit every day. There was at least nine of them every day and they were so so loud it was like having a loud telly with a rubbish soap opera blaring out on the other side of the curtain from 2pm to 8pm every single day shrieking and bellowing and shouting into their phones the whole time.

It was a nightmare. If there was a family room, they could all bugger off there and leave sick people to get well in peace.

You can't realistically expect nurses to move sick patients around - some of whom will be too ill to move by themselves, or might not be easy to move at all if they hooked up to drips etc. And would this family with all-day visitors get the use of the room all day? So no-one else could use it?

That said, it's not unreasonable to limit the number of visitors present at once, and from past experience, loud tech is also a problem, whether it's individual televisions (I haven't seen these lately, thank goodness) or phones.

I don't want to go back to the days of fixed or limited visiting hours though. If I've travelled for several hours to visit someone (as often happens), and have to travel several hours back again, I don't want to be turned away, or told I've only got 15 minutes till visiting hours are over.

CareerChange24 · 12/09/2025 20:11

BusterGonad · 11/09/2025 13:14

He knew alright. I'd bet money it was him.

Strong agree. On his Facebook he is happily posing with what appears to be his husband and child and sausage dog. Giving the impression he’s a happy family man. Yet he is a nurse who can’t tell what is blood, steals and sells Zopiclone and god knows what else and is a drink driver

miraxxx · 15/09/2025 11:40

CareerChange24 · 12/09/2025 20:11

Strong agree. On his Facebook he is happily posing with what appears to be his husband and child and sausage dog. Giving the impression he’s a happy family man. Yet he is a nurse who can’t tell what is blood, steals and sells Zopiclone and god knows what else and is a drink driver

I hope karma gets him good. One day soon.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 15/09/2025 13:05

CareerChange24 · 12/09/2025 20:11

Strong agree. On his Facebook he is happily posing with what appears to be his husband and child and sausage dog. Giving the impression he’s a happy family man. Yet he is a nurse who can’t tell what is blood, steals and sells Zopiclone and god knows what else and is a drink driver

No words, just evil.

Spidey66 · 16/09/2025 15:07

Matthew Pover is struck off the register, so won’t be working as a nurse.

CareerChange24 · 16/09/2025 21:24

Spidey66 · 16/09/2025 15:07

Matthew Pover is struck off the register, so won’t be working as a nurse.

Well let’s hope it’s permanent but it doesn’t really negate things he’s done and possibly have done. Is it ok to steal strong meds in the nhs as if you ete caught selling those types of drugs on the street the offence with be possibly prison. Really unsettles me that it appears they have adopted a child with his husband.