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Serious life ending Sexual assault on a stroke ward

383 replies

mrshoho · 04/09/2025 09:44

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death - BBC News https://share.google/E1kG2EjcGHJWiPXvA

Omfg. This is just horrendous. This poor woman. Bled to death on a stroke ward following a sexual assault on the ward. What on earth?

Valerie Kneale, with shoulder-length grey curly hair, wears a pink, lilac and green floral blouse as she is photographed in a garden. She is standing in front of a pebble-dashed house with a white plastic door and windows.

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death

Valerie Kneale's inquest is told she died because of a "forcible sexual assault" while in hospital.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9neq9e7qqo

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Nousernamesleftatall · 06/09/2025 09:21

Luceeeee · 06/09/2025 09:15

I told my DH a few years ago if I end up losing capacity and in care or hospital I demand single sex care. That was after I read about a poor woman with dementia being raped in a care home by a care worker. Many men are sick.

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Is there single sex care offered though?

Also men with dementia exhibit inappropriate sexual behaviour yet all the wards in nursing homes are mixed sex.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/09/2025 09:24

Nousernamesleftatall · 06/09/2025 09:21

Is there single sex care offered though?

Also men with dementia exhibit inappropriate sexual behaviour yet all the wards in nursing homes are mixed sex.

On the NHS? I can categorically say no, there is currently no genuinely single-sex care.

Source: the NHS single-sex spaces audit.

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2025 09:27

mrshoho · 06/09/2025 08:42

Yes it's a national issue across the entire NHS. I believe the government must be aware of what is happening in our hospitals. I agree that carehomes are a separate area but equally vulnerable to this type of abuse. It appears that nights are the most dangerous timeframe. Single sex wards are vital. I would go further that single sex care should be standard but I'm also aware of staff shortages particularly for night shifts.

It could be additive. Just as safeguarding children means caregivers shouldn't be alone with a child, and a police search requires a same sex officer.

No male should be alone with a female patient at any time.

This would require extra staff, but that's a wider problem.

mrshoho · 06/09/2025 10:36

Also I expect and hope cctv video storage and retention has advanced so that it is held for longer than a week or whatever it was. That could play a crucial role in identifying who would be accessing rooms on the ward.

The whole design of hospital wards needs reviewing too. So many have an entry point system where visitors are buzzed in without question or simply walk in as another leaves and the reception desk is placed half way down the corridor. Unauthorised people have access to side rooms before being noticed by staff members. Desks should be placed immediately next to the entrance.

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 06/09/2025 10:47

It's everywhere.
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/1203/1484521-circuit-criminal-court/
Disturbing case of CAMH'S psychiatrist grooming patients, forcing this vulnerable teenager into degrading sex acts, she is still hospitalised in a psychiatric hospital, the damage is horrendous, her parents thought that he was helping.

www.rte.ie/news/2025/0131/1494110-radiographer-guilty-teen-x-ray/
Radiologist making a teenager sit half naked. Using her personal contact details to text her after the appointment for a date.

Child psychiatrist jailed for sexually abusing girl

A child psychiatrist who groomed and sexually abused a teenage girl leaving her with "painful and grave trauma" has been jailed for eight and a half years.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/1203/1484521-circuit-criminal-court/

Sevenamcoffee · 06/09/2025 10:53

That’s absolutely horrific, the poor woman and family. It also horrifying that nobody seems to have noticed at the time or subsequently. It’s so depressing.

Lalgarh · 06/09/2025 11:35

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/09/2025 09:24

On the NHS? I can categorically say no, there is currently no genuinely single-sex care.

Source: the NHS single-sex spaces audit.

93 year old Eileen Dean was murdered by a dementia patient in care home who'd been discharged from a psych ward

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-63598953

Eileen with birthday cake

Eileen Dean care home killing: No risk assessment done on attacker

Eileen Dean, 93, was killed by a resident more than 20 years younger who had a history of violence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-63598953

mrshoho · 06/09/2025 11:48

Lalgarh · 06/09/2025 11:35

93 year old Eileen Dean was murdered by a dementia patient in care home who'd been discharged from a psych ward

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-63598953

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I remember this horrific murder. Poor Eileen suffering at his hands. The nonchalant statement from the Maudsley with the usual we will learn from it. Why in the hell did he get released to a carehome without disclosing his violent history? People should have been prosecuted for these decisions. As usual women are the collateral damage.

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HarrietBond · 06/09/2025 12:05

I do think that ‘we will learn from it’ should always been accompanied by a commitment to publish the new guidelines/training etc put in place. With regulators then asking questions, again published, after a specific time if nothing emerges.

BusterGonad · 06/09/2025 16:20

HarrietBond · 06/09/2025 06:54

The person they initially arrested was older than him (51). I’m trying to work out if that would fit the man convicted of sexual assault above but I think he would also have been younger than that when the arrest was reported.

I'm referring to the younger one that was in charge that night and didn't alert anyone to the excessive bleeding etc.

BusterGonad · 06/09/2025 16:21

And also was later imprisoned for drunk driving and stealing drugs from the hospital.

HarrietBond · 06/09/2025 16:22

BusterGonad · 06/09/2025 16:20

I'm referring to the younger one that was in charge that night and didn't alert anyone to the excessive bleeding etc.

Yes, I know. That’s why I pointed out that the man they arrested and bailed repeatedly but were unable to charge is older than that.

BusterGonad · 06/09/2025 16:26

HarrietBond · 06/09/2025 16:22

Yes, I know. That’s why I pointed out that the man they arrested and bailed repeatedly but were unable to charge is older than that.

Sorry, I misread your post, my apologies.

HarrietBond · 06/09/2025 17:25

BusterGonad · 06/09/2025 16:26

Sorry, I misread your post, my apologies.

No worries.

TheSquashyHatofMrGnosspelius · 06/09/2025 18:11

Lalgarh · 05/09/2025 21:41

And this hasn't "caught" in terms of headlines. It's not showing up on Google news UK or headlines as of now (9.40pm Friday) even though the inquest has concluded

I agree. You would think this would make national news.

Staff must have suspicions about this. I wonder if it was a member of the public though?

You think you have heard it all and women have been subjected to everything possible and then this.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/09/2025 18:15

mrshoho · 04/09/2025 09:44

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death - BBC News https://share.google/E1kG2EjcGHJWiPXvA

Omfg. This is just horrendous. This poor woman. Bled to death on a stroke ward following a sexual assault on the ward. What on earth?

What is as shocking as the assault is the way the staff were not actually looking after her. What sort of hospital is it? How do people take wages then do nothing but the minimum they can get away with?

sneezysbonnet · 06/09/2025 18:43

TheSquashyHatofMrGnosspelius · 06/09/2025 18:11

I agree. You would think this would make national news.

Staff must have suspicions about this. I wonder if it was a member of the public though?

You think you have heard it all and women have been subjected to everything possible and then this.

The following comments may be disturbing for some people.

There are some individuals who like the idea of sexual activity with someone who does not reject or object..

It's called necrophilia.

Such people work in areas where there is access to deceased persons eg Undertakers premises, hospitals, cemeteries, or coma patients in hospitals.

I cannot find any record for anyone being prosecuted for it in UK

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/nurse-who-sexually-assaulted-woman-25606460

Nurse who sexually assaulted woman in coma caught by DNA after she gave birth

Nathan Sutherland, 39, attacked the woman who had been in a coma for more than a decade, leading to her giving birth without medical staff even realising she was pregnant

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/nurse-who-sexually-assaulted-woman-25606460

logiccalls · 06/09/2025 19:02

Nousernamesleftatall · 06/09/2025 08:47

I wouldn’t be so sure. Most of the asylum seekers in Ireland destroy their documents so they don’t know their real names or where they have been before.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/85-of-asylum-seekers-arrive-at-dublin-airport-without-identity-documents-1646914

Vulnerabke women should only be looked after by other women. It shouldn’t be that hard as most nurses/health care workers are women.

How could 85% have got on planes with no documents? It would appear simple to require all transport carriers to take copies of documents and references and contacts, and to photograph and take fingerprints and/or cheek swabs from each one, as a condition of taking the journey, and give each an identifying wrist stamp, before boarding, which could be re-checked during the journey and prior to arrival. Full details could have been sent ahead to the destination, prior to the journey, so if everything was in order, their exit through the terminal would be expedited. It would presumably help everyone to keep each batch of arrivals segregated, and to keep each carrier's wrist-stamp colours and numbering/lettering distinctive.

Slothtoes · 07/09/2025 08:54

Definitely agree with writing to Wes Streeting to ask for action on this. And this should be a Mumsnet Campaign to raise visibility.

So many factors here- NHS underfunding, understaffing leading to unsafe working practices, the drive for mixed sex everything in health care, lack of safeguarding practices, probably links to accessing extreme online pornographic content, definitely culturally we have a UK problem with the way women especially older and disabled women and girls are made vulnerable by the misogynistic, ageist, ableist threads embedded in our social fabric.

This issue needs a lead organisation or individual to progress it politically and legally towards workable policies to protect women and girls in hospitals and care homes from sexual abuse, rape and murder. It wil be very challenging because the idea is so scary lots of people won’t want to accept it happens, and I’d imagine that NHS trusts will be very unwilling to touch it because of the risk of legal cases that this issue could attract. I can’t find any charities or campaign groups working on this exact area for women.

I’m wondering if it could be taken on by either of these women-focused excellent campaigning charities?

https://www.centreforwomensjustice.org.uk/cwj-manifesto
or
https://theotherhalf.uk/we-cant-keep-doing-nothing

theres also Hourglass- a national Uk charity who have commissioned research on sexual abuse of older people in hospitals in 2021 updated 2024 https://www.wearehourglass.org/who-we-are

https://www.wearehourglass.org/sexual-abuse-older-people-hospitals-interview

the report looks very important (and I’m sure it is very distressing to read, so warning on that) here:
https://www.wearehourglass.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/Sexual%20Assaults%20of%20Older%20People%20in%20Hospitals%20in%20England%2004.09.24_0.pdf

Also Rape Crisis offers support & campaigning on all sexual violence, including healthcare so they should have something on this but it didn’t come up in my googling.

There are existing very big well funded patient charities and campaign groups in the UK, including in patient safety, but perhaps they don’t have an awareness or a focus (much of an interest?) in patient safety or patient experience when it comes to women specifically. And the abuse women uniquely receive in these settings. But these groups would need to be got on board too to gain traction for legal change with Parliamentarians. Which is normally what’s needed for sustained change. What is Wes Streeting saying about this?

It’s a massive job for a campaign coalition to do but so vital. If someone like Queen Camilla could take this on it would become rocket powered and might get somewhere in the next few years.

The Sexual Abuse of Older People in Hospitals | Interview | Hourglass

In 2021, Hourglass published eye-opening research by independent researcher Amanda Warburton-Wynn that lifted the lid on sexual violence against older people in hospitals in England. 

https://www.wearehourglass.org/sexual-abuse-older-people-hospitals-interview

Slothtoes · 07/09/2025 09:04

I’ve had a quick skim and feel grateful to the researcher writing this report for Hourglass. The report has recommendations at the end which look great but I can’t cut and paste them for some reason (and MN is still glitching and reloading with copying so I haven’t got time to work it out this morning..)

Marlaysydney12 · 07/09/2025 11:51

This makes me so worried for any future hospital stays. I wonder what the ward would do if you brought your own CCTV / security cam?

Mustbethat · 07/09/2025 12:57

Slothtoes · 07/09/2025 08:54

Definitely agree with writing to Wes Streeting to ask for action on this. And this should be a Mumsnet Campaign to raise visibility.

So many factors here- NHS underfunding, understaffing leading to unsafe working practices, the drive for mixed sex everything in health care, lack of safeguarding practices, probably links to accessing extreme online pornographic content, definitely culturally we have a UK problem with the way women especially older and disabled women and girls are made vulnerable by the misogynistic, ageist, ableist threads embedded in our social fabric.

This issue needs a lead organisation or individual to progress it politically and legally towards workable policies to protect women and girls in hospitals and care homes from sexual abuse, rape and murder. It wil be very challenging because the idea is so scary lots of people won’t want to accept it happens, and I’d imagine that NHS trusts will be very unwilling to touch it because of the risk of legal cases that this issue could attract. I can’t find any charities or campaign groups working on this exact area for women.

I’m wondering if it could be taken on by either of these women-focused excellent campaigning charities?

https://www.centreforwomensjustice.org.uk/cwj-manifesto
or
https://theotherhalf.uk/we-cant-keep-doing-nothing

theres also Hourglass- a national Uk charity who have commissioned research on sexual abuse of older people in hospitals in 2021 updated 2024 https://www.wearehourglass.org/who-we-are

https://www.wearehourglass.org/sexual-abuse-older-people-hospitals-interview

the report looks very important (and I’m sure it is very distressing to read, so warning on that) here:
https://www.wearehourglass.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/Sexual%20Assaults%20of%20Older%20People%20in%20Hospitals%20in%20England%2004.09.24_0.pdf

Also Rape Crisis offers support & campaigning on all sexual violence, including healthcare so they should have something on this but it didn’t come up in my googling.

There are existing very big well funded patient charities and campaign groups in the UK, including in patient safety, but perhaps they don’t have an awareness or a focus (much of an interest?) in patient safety or patient experience when it comes to women specifically. And the abuse women uniquely receive in these settings. But these groups would need to be got on board too to gain traction for legal change with Parliamentarians. Which is normally what’s needed for sustained change. What is Wes Streeting saying about this?

It’s a massive job for a campaign coalition to do but so vital. If someone like Queen Camilla could take this on it would become rocket powered and might get somewhere in the next few years.

Back in the 80’s when I worked on a&e there was funding for two age concern employees to sit in a&e and deal with anyone coming in who needed assistance.

they did everything from sort emergency care for their pets out, advocate for their medical needs, put care plans in place so they could be discharged instead of sitting in a hospital bed unecessarily. Visit them on wards to make sure they were ok.

they must have saved the nhs and social services a fortune. But funding is only measured by expenditure, so they were ditched.

it was almost exclusively staffed by women with school aged children as it could be fit around school runs. So win win there as well. The reception staff would pitch in and I regularly found to a dog behind the counter or a cat in the staff room.

we need more services like that. The nhs doesn’t appreciate that more staff actually equals greater efficiency, and greater safety with dedicated care

we also regularly had the police and csi’s in to go through the process if we had concerns, how and when to report, and how to preserve evidence. They did it informally on their own time. Doesn’t happen any more.

Dumbo12 · 07/09/2025 13:01

This should surely be considered as a murder? The woman would not have died, except as a result of her injuries ( and added neglect admittedly)

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2025 13:17

Dumbo12 · 07/09/2025 13:01

This should surely be considered as a murder? The woman would not have died, except as a result of her injuries ( and added neglect admittedly)

Yes, there was also a police murder enquiry, but it has been closed due to a lack of evidence.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2025 13:18

Mustbethat · 07/09/2025 12:57

Back in the 80’s when I worked on a&e there was funding for two age concern employees to sit in a&e and deal with anyone coming in who needed assistance.

they did everything from sort emergency care for their pets out, advocate for their medical needs, put care plans in place so they could be discharged instead of sitting in a hospital bed unecessarily. Visit them on wards to make sure they were ok.

they must have saved the nhs and social services a fortune. But funding is only measured by expenditure, so they were ditched.

it was almost exclusively staffed by women with school aged children as it could be fit around school runs. So win win there as well. The reception staff would pitch in and I regularly found to a dog behind the counter or a cat in the staff room.

we need more services like that. The nhs doesn’t appreciate that more staff actually equals greater efficiency, and greater safety with dedicated care

we also regularly had the police and csi’s in to go through the process if we had concerns, how and when to report, and how to preserve evidence. They did it informally on their own time. Doesn’t happen any more.

Edited

Very good points. But the NHS tends to run in a reactive rather than a proactive way.