BBC calling a spade a spade this time

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0ml30vgykro

Some of those responses are pretty remarkable and clear eyed....except making that final step in logic...soooo very very close.

Tempting to ask each of them immediately after making those statements. 'so am I a bigot for not wanting a transwomen in a changing room with me?' I suspect that the answer would still be a reflective 'yes', but with a long pause afterwards. Some of these more introspective men might actually get it.

The enforced gullibility is one of the most loathsome things about all this.

Agree with the post and the loathsomeness of forcing vulnerable women to share prison with these dangerous men. But I’m not sure it’s based on gullibility per se (maybe for some naive bekinders). More, that such a perspective highlights the utter disdain or disregard for women. Even by other women.

Here, the slippery slope that TRAs cannot admit is that if some -not so very nice- men only pretend to be ‘trans’, then they’d have no basis to defend their belligerent gaslighting tactics against women who make this exact point made repeatedly on FWR. That, putting aside every other argument about material reality, if women cannot tell the ‘real’ from the ‘fake’ trans, then no TW should ever be in female spaces.

I'm just gobsmacked at this. Maybe people will finally wake up and realise what's going on after reading this. I bet it's not even in most papers though. I do feel we're reaching a turning point of truth telling and people might start to listen to the GC side and think, actually hang on, maybe all those women were right all along!! Is it really so difficult to understand why we need to keep men out of women's spaces! Because predatory dangerous men like this exist and unfortunately they don't come with a warning!

My guess about the demographics of the Trans UK subreddit, from occasionally keeping an eye on it, is that it's got a majority of young, sometimes very young TIFs with extremely poor mental health - you know because they never stop talking about it - and a minority of creepy uncle TIMs who show classic male pattern behaviour and dominate the conversation.

There have been a few discussions recently about Prison Onset Gender Dysphoria. I suspect it might be some of the young TIFs who are coming close to peaking.

In what way is the BBCs reporting ‘vitriolic’ as per the final sentence of that one poster? It was odd given how most of their post was acknowledging the reality of the case.

"Identifies as" is meaningless nonsense. It should be "pretending to be".

At this point, complaining that the media is transphobic is the trans community's default position. They do it instinctively, regardless of what was actually said.

Not always. In Welsh it can be used for both men and women. I knew a lovely elderly woman whose name was Gwyn.

I find it interesting and very telling that when he transitioned, of all the thousands of names he could choose he chose 'Gwyn' which is a male name and 'Samuel' another classic male name!!

I suspect it's because he's chosen a man's name as his 'female' name and the wording makes it clearer that he is trying to claim he's now female (and also that he's stupid and didn't check which sex is indicated by Gwyn rather than Gwen).

He's clearly done that to try to get into a women's prison and avoid being attacked in the male estate as not only a child rapist but also as a police officer. Thankfully the court seems to be having none of his nonsense.

There's a definite thing where TIMs choose "female" names that make them sound like characters from Shannon Tweed soft porn movies (Veronica Ivy springs to mind)

The odder thing to me is when TIFs insist on calling themselves things like "Cameron" or "Felix" rather than Jim or Bob or Arthur - it's almost as if they still want to be androgynous.

There's Gwyneth Paltrow.

That's a female variation on the word/name gwyn meaning white, 'Gwyn' is the male form. Gwen, Gwynne, Gwyneth are female forms.

Wait a minute, so he's whining that he was misgendered (literal violence of course) by the child he was raping? Are you fucking kidding me?
Throw away the key.
I'm so angry right now that if this douchebag was in front of me I wouldn't be responsible.

I can’t remember what that was referring to- there was discussion of the shooter in the us too, and how other trans identified males were referred to by bbc

Went back try to understand that comment and couldn’t - I think the jist was they’d rather the trans status wasn’t referred to at all 🤷🏻‍♀️

TIFs tend to give themselves the kind of slightly poetic-sounding boy's names that mums usually like better than dads, such as Finn or Ash.

I've never know a Finn in real life.

I used to know a Finbar, but I've never seen that in TIF spaces.

Why is reddit so aggressively pro-trans? I can honestly say that the mods over there seem more concerned that this shooting will impact negatively on the trans community than about the fact that two children were killed.

On several threads, there are stickies warning people not to misgender the shooter. Why the hell is that a priority? On the Minneapolis sub, within hours of the shooting, there was a thread from a trans person begging posters not to blame the trans community for this. Several of the threads are dominated by posts about how the media are going to use this to demonise trans people. On one thread about the shooting, one poster actually said, "To my trans homies: now is the time to arm yourselves." How the fuck can anyone think that's an appropriate thing to say after a trans "woman" has just killed two kids?

Do you think Nicola.Sturgeon, or any of the other self ID zealots, ever see cases like this (which occur on a weekly basis), and think, "you know what, maybe it's a good thing that Westminster blocked the gender recognition reform bill"? Or does their cognitive dissonance run too deep?

Do they continue to bat away concerns by saying "oh there are bad apples in every community", without making the logical leap that giving these bad apples easier access to vulnerable women and children is a terrible idea? I would love to understand their thought processes.

Because Reddit has always been a male, left leaning environment
and left leaning males have leapt on the trans issue as an acceptable way to express their misogyny.

I'm not sure Nicola has a conscience like a normal person. She knows she can't politically admit to any doubts, so she doesn't.

She must have doubts though. Nadia Whittome and Zarah Sultana too. When they post contradictory nonsense on X, surely they must see the flaws in it? It's there unwillingness to ever concede that there are issues with Self ID, that women (the real kind) are vulnerable too that baffles me. NW and ZS never respond to any of the well reasoned arguments people make in response to their posts. I would genuinely like to know whether they truly believe everything they say or whether they have niggling doubts. Or perhaps they know full what what the issues are but they are just pandering to their voter base.

Precisely!

Hang on - they’re using male pronouns because he identified as male when the offences took place, but the victim knew he was transitioning? Or perhaps he wasn’t out publicly at that point? Does anyone have more detail?