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Who‘s coming to FiLIA?

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lanadelgrey · 23/08/2025 10:33

I‘m starting to get excited.
Are there plans for a MN meetup?

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inkognitha · 17/10/2025 20:04

JH's blog
https://jeanhatchet.substack.com/p/filia-2025

Nothing from JCJ on X, seems the notion was too radical last weekend.

Aja should receive apologies/explanations from MH and Filia. She is the one I feel most sorry for, it really seems all she did was to start a conga.

But all the others (on both sides)? Not their finest hour.

Filia 2025

if you weren't banned were you really there at all?

https://jeanhatchet.substack.com/p/filia-2025

whatwouldafeministdo · 17/10/2025 20:23

Goodness, is it true that a group openly supporting Hamas had their travel and accommodation paid for by Filia and were explicitly told they were allowed to state their views at the event?

It seems a bit much to accept registration fees from Jewish women if so, and to not let them know that fact before they decide to pay money to attend.

UrsulasHerbBag · 17/10/2025 20:55

@Shinyredbicycle please can I send you a cuddle through the ether? Urrgh unmumsnetty hugs even on FWR. I have honestly felt your genuine love and support for FiLiA and heard your discussion of your experiences. You have still taken the time to read both sub stacks and critique them honestly. Let’s do more of this! FiLiA need to come out now and say ok, things got rough, statement incoming but the lot of you are bloody well welcome! Some of us feel like we aren’t worthy or good enough! Just you reading both makes me feel like things can be overcome. Shall we start by saying we want a big broad tent to cover us all? I think we could start a good conversation just by the fact you took the time to read both, that means to me that lots of women are just like you, they might be cross an hurt by what’s happened but minds are open. Thank you.

Shinyredbicycle · 17/10/2025 21:31

Right back at you, UrsulasHerbBag. The mindless tribalism that SM spawns is so harmful to us all, especially during difficult times.

I'm just sure that I should be congratulated about the amount of FiLiA-related content I've read this week tbh (!), but I'm pretty invested in continuing yo build a feminist movement. Whether that can be a broad tent, I'm not sure, but definitely talking to each other is the way forward.

whatwouldafeministdo, unsurprisingly, what actually happened seems to have been a bit less sensational than accounts that are circulating online. The group mentioned, or one representative of it, only started tweeting about loving Hamas online after being called Jew-haters and loads of people sharing images of the woman at the stall and a few pages from the Maoist anti-Zionist pamphlets they had on their stall. It was nasty stuff but I don't get the sense that anyone other than Feminist Dissent actually spoke to her.

The woman apologised the next day and said that FiLiA doesn't share all their views.

I don't believe that FiLiA knew what was in those pamphlets, and I do think they will address them with the group.

UrsulasHerbBag · 17/10/2025 21:59

@Shinyredbicycle i am keeping in mind our broad church where we do our hugs. Unfortunately what you said to whatwouldafeministdo isn’t true. Those women had posted in the week preceding the event that they were there to disrupt. They haven’t deleted. They have put out a full statement explaining their intentions. They have spent the last few days engaging and eschewing their Marxist/maoist (not joking) views. Unfortunately they have also publicised their connection with Lisa and that she personally invited them specifically “because of their pro hamas views”. Quote marks are because this is what they are saying. They might well be agitating because one of their aims is to bring FiLiA to their own views. They have caused more damage to FiLiA than any push and shove at a disco and unfortunately there is a case (which several Jewish women have raised) for the charity commission to look into. How shit is that. Here’s my hand raising you up, don’t just bite it but kick me when I’m down.

Shinyredbicycle · 18/10/2025 07:37

Thanks for that UrsulasHerbBag. I'd only glanced at their Twitter page post FiLiA - I'll take a look.

Shinyredbicycle · 18/10/2025 08:26

UrsulasHerbBag I can't find the statement to disrupt. On the org's twitter account, I can see all the 'we're really excited to be coming to FiLiA'posts, and the statement from the editorial team saying that individual accounts are not speaking for the organisation, amongst all the anti-Zionist/Dworkin/Maoist/Marxist politics.

The 'I love Hamas' tweets I've seen being circulated were posted by an individual from the editorial team in October 2023. I can't find any more recently, though it may be that they're in replies or I've missed them.

Would you mind if I DMed you?

CrocsNotDocs · 18/10/2025 08:33

Nicole Lampert posts that Filia has reported itself to the Charity Commission.

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1979449142754607236?s=61

Letter to Nicole as per Nicole’s X Post

“Dear Nicole,
The FiLiA Trustees have been reflecting since our conference finished six days ago, listening to the many Women affected and looking after our team, who have worked exceptionally hard over the last two years in preparation for our largest and 10th conference. It is clear there are multiple perspectives and experiences and we want to start by acknowledging that this statement won’t satisfy everyone but we hope it reassures Women that we have listened, will continue to listen and are responding to the issues that occurred last weekend.
We are glad to have put on our 10th conference, despite the many setbacks that we experienced before it even began. We have received lots of positive feedback about the majority of the conference and we thank our volunteers, speakers, facilitators and attendees for their contributions and commitment to the weekend.
However, we are devastated by some of the events and issues that occurred, particularly that a place for building sisterhood and solidarity has ended up with Women, including within the FiLiA team, feeling so hurt. Our priority now is to understand what has happened, take responsibility for all that we need to, and put in place the changes needed to prevent these issues happening again. We have already started work in several areas, as set out below.
Reporting to the Charity Commission
We want to make it clear that FiLiA completely distances itself from religious fundamentalism and extremism in all its forms, including Hamas and support for Hamas, and we condemn all violence against Women, in all its forms, everywhere. We are firmly anti-racist and condemn all forms of racism (whether based on real or perceived race and/or religion), harassment, prejudice and discrimination. We acknowledge that we missed some very important elements of due diligence, and we take this extremely seriously. We have contacted the Charity Commission and, with their guidance, will be reviewing our processes, including our due diligence process to ensure all future speakers, stallholders and materials are in line with FiLiA’s mission, reflect FiLiA’s values and are within the law.
Commissioning an independent investigation into our security and safeguarding processes
We are aware of the upset and anger caused by multiple issues at the Saturday nightparty.
The safety of attendees was our priority and this was central to our decision-making processes in assessing and addressing risk over the rest of the conference. We would like to invite anyone who wants to share their experience regarding specific behaviour towards them to please contact us by email to [email protected]. We are commissioning an independent, internal investigation into our security and safeguarding processes, plan and implementation for the Saturday night party. We are committed to learning and putting in place the changes required.
Convening a series of meetings to listen to Women and feminist organisations
FiLiA works with our speakers to agree on the framing of their topic of discussion within FiLiA’s existing stances and values. In most topics, our speakers are the experts but we try to ensure they understand FiLiA’s positions and trust them to deliver in line with those. We will be reviewing our communications and agreements with speakers and ensuring that everyone involved will come to FiLiA in the spirit of sisterhood and solidarity.
We recognise that underlying tensions were inflamed at the conference and have played out beyond it, and we apologise for our lack of foresight and preparation for this. We condemn the vile racist and misogynistic abuse that women have faced for speaking out.
FiLiA wants the spaces we create to be places where Women with differing opinions and beliefs can come together, learn from each other, disagree respectfully and unite in our shared vision of Women's liberation, everywhere. FiLiA is a place where Women come first, where Women are the priority.
We must stand up for all Women who are subjugated by men, in all the ways that they are, irrespective of geography, religion or ideology.
It is clear that some Women didn’t and don’t feel heard by and at FiLiA. We will be reaching out to Women and feminist organisations to actively listen to their perspectives, to learn lessons and guide the changes we need to make. It is our hope that we will be able to open dialogue between those with different views and forge a way forward for FiLiA that those committed to Women’s liberation can support.
Next steps
For the last 13 years, FiLiA has provided a space for Women all over the world to gather, learn and discuss. We are proud of the work we have done to amplify voices, particularly those less often heard, highlight new topics and challenge viewpoints respectfully, share campaigns and build solidarity – all to advance the global Women’s liberation movement.
Many Women have told us that it was an incredible conference – learning about campaigns and issues that were unknown to them, making new connections and revisiting old ones, and being part of a movement for change. We are extremely grateful and heartened to read these messages and hear these stories, and they have sustained us at an incredibly difficult time.
We are proud of the many successes achieved together with our sisters, but we also know this is a moment to pause, listen, reflect, review, and learn.
We have work to do, relationships to build and strengthen, and processes to fix. We are going to take the time and focus now to do that work carefully and well, to enable us to be stronger, clearer and more accountable as an organisation. This will mean that we are better able to deliver on our mission to build sisterhood and solidarity, defend Women’s human rights and amplify the voices of Women across the world, and contribute to building a Women’s liberation movement.
We will provide updates on the relevant outcomes of the investigations and other work if and when we are able to do so.
Thank you to those who came to FiLiA in the spirit of sisterhood and solidarity and for your continued support.
Sisterhood and Solidarity,”

Nicole Lampert (@nicolelampert) on X

For all those following the @FiLiA_charity row: the charity says it has referred itself to the Charity Commission for inviting literal Hamas fans to speak. It has promised to properly vet speakers in the future. It has also announced an investigation...

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1979449142754607236?s=61

N0Tfunny · 18/10/2025 08:46

The message that Nicole posted above was sent to all attendees this morning .

YouveGotNoBloodyIdea · 18/10/2025 08:47

N0Tfunny · 18/10/2025 08:46

The message that Nicole posted above was sent to all attendees this morning .

yes - mine came in just after 8am uk time.

Shinyredbicycle · 18/10/2025 08:50

Thanks. So no need to report to the Charity Commission - FiLiA already contacted them.

inkognitha · 18/10/2025 08:52

Thorough answer, I find.

Datun · 18/10/2025 09:18

CrocsNotDocs · 18/10/2025 08:33

Nicole Lampert posts that Filia has reported itself to the Charity Commission.

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1979449142754607236?s=61

Letter to Nicole as per Nicole’s X Post

“Dear Nicole,
The FiLiA Trustees have been reflecting since our conference finished six days ago, listening to the many Women affected and looking after our team, who have worked exceptionally hard over the last two years in preparation for our largest and 10th conference. It is clear there are multiple perspectives and experiences and we want to start by acknowledging that this statement won’t satisfy everyone but we hope it reassures Women that we have listened, will continue to listen and are responding to the issues that occurred last weekend.
We are glad to have put on our 10th conference, despite the many setbacks that we experienced before it even began. We have received lots of positive feedback about the majority of the conference and we thank our volunteers, speakers, facilitators and attendees for their contributions and commitment to the weekend.
However, we are devastated by some of the events and issues that occurred, particularly that a place for building sisterhood and solidarity has ended up with Women, including within the FiLiA team, feeling so hurt. Our priority now is to understand what has happened, take responsibility for all that we need to, and put in place the changes needed to prevent these issues happening again. We have already started work in several areas, as set out below.
Reporting to the Charity Commission
We want to make it clear that FiLiA completely distances itself from religious fundamentalism and extremism in all its forms, including Hamas and support for Hamas, and we condemn all violence against Women, in all its forms, everywhere. We are firmly anti-racist and condemn all forms of racism (whether based on real or perceived race and/or religion), harassment, prejudice and discrimination. We acknowledge that we missed some very important elements of due diligence, and we take this extremely seriously. We have contacted the Charity Commission and, with their guidance, will be reviewing our processes, including our due diligence process to ensure all future speakers, stallholders and materials are in line with FiLiA’s mission, reflect FiLiA’s values and are within the law.
Commissioning an independent investigation into our security and safeguarding processes
We are aware of the upset and anger caused by multiple issues at the Saturday nightparty.
The safety of attendees was our priority and this was central to our decision-making processes in assessing and addressing risk over the rest of the conference. We would like to invite anyone who wants to share their experience regarding specific behaviour towards them to please contact us by email to [email protected]. We are commissioning an independent, internal investigation into our security and safeguarding processes, plan and implementation for the Saturday night party. We are committed to learning and putting in place the changes required.
Convening a series of meetings to listen to Women and feminist organisations
FiLiA works with our speakers to agree on the framing of their topic of discussion within FiLiA’s existing stances and values. In most topics, our speakers are the experts but we try to ensure they understand FiLiA’s positions and trust them to deliver in line with those. We will be reviewing our communications and agreements with speakers and ensuring that everyone involved will come to FiLiA in the spirit of sisterhood and solidarity.
We recognise that underlying tensions were inflamed at the conference and have played out beyond it, and we apologise for our lack of foresight and preparation for this. We condemn the vile racist and misogynistic abuse that women have faced for speaking out.
FiLiA wants the spaces we create to be places where Women with differing opinions and beliefs can come together, learn from each other, disagree respectfully and unite in our shared vision of Women's liberation, everywhere. FiLiA is a place where Women come first, where Women are the priority.
We must stand up for all Women who are subjugated by men, in all the ways that they are, irrespective of geography, religion or ideology.
It is clear that some Women didn’t and don’t feel heard by and at FiLiA. We will be reaching out to Women and feminist organisations to actively listen to their perspectives, to learn lessons and guide the changes we need to make. It is our hope that we will be able to open dialogue between those with different views and forge a way forward for FiLiA that those committed to Women’s liberation can support.
Next steps
For the last 13 years, FiLiA has provided a space for Women all over the world to gather, learn and discuss. We are proud of the work we have done to amplify voices, particularly those less often heard, highlight new topics and challenge viewpoints respectfully, share campaigns and build solidarity – all to advance the global Women’s liberation movement.
Many Women have told us that it was an incredible conference – learning about campaigns and issues that were unknown to them, making new connections and revisiting old ones, and being part of a movement for change. We are extremely grateful and heartened to read these messages and hear these stories, and they have sustained us at an incredibly difficult time.
We are proud of the many successes achieved together with our sisters, but we also know this is a moment to pause, listen, reflect, review, and learn.
We have work to do, relationships to build and strengthen, and processes to fix. We are going to take the time and focus now to do that work carefully and well, to enable us to be stronger, clearer and more accountable as an organisation. This will mean that we are better able to deliver on our mission to build sisterhood and solidarity, defend Women’s human rights and amplify the voices of Women across the world, and contribute to building a Women’s liberation movement.
We will provide updates on the relevant outcomes of the investigations and other work if and when we are able to do so.
Thank you to those who came to FiLiA in the spirit of sisterhood and solidarity and for your continued support.
Sisterhood and Solidarity,”

That's a really good response.

PriOn1 · 18/10/2025 09:27

Datun · 18/10/2025 09:18

That's a really good response.

I was glad to receive it.

Hermiaxx · 18/10/2025 09:59

@DatunI agree, it is a good response.

ParmaVioletTea · 18/10/2025 11:37

To other FiLIA members, attendees & donators: I was coming in here this morning also to say to the naysayers that the FiLIA leadership have sent a really sensible & open letter to us all.

And it's hardened my thinking about the POV of some posters on this thread & on other social media - that if you weren't there, and are going in hard to condemn FiLIA wholesale for what happened, I think your right to be taken seriously is limited. Put your money & presence where your mouth is, is my view.

If you weren't there, I think you're carping. I suspect that there are some hurt egos who enjoy taking potshots at the "headgirls" (such ridiculous language) who dared to set up an organisation so successful that over 2,000 extraordinary-ordinary women registered and gathered in Brighton, after similar gatherings in past years.

Brighton was significant: we were told - by a Brighton MP no less - that feminist women were not welcome there. Yet we were there and visible.

I spend my professional life working to make previously invisible women visible. FiLIA at Brighton did that through grassroots organising and fucking sheer hard work.

There were aspects which got out of control, and those of us with experience of running events & voluntary organisations know how that happens, unfortunately. I suspect - having actually been there - that some of the outrage has been whipped up on social media for goodness what sorts of ego strokes & clicks.

My actual experience of the conference was for the most part one of solidarity and challenge. There was an attempt to mitigate against the unplanned and unexpected sloganeering of one speaker in the opening assembly, by further meetings. The pro-Palestinian protest was outside the venue. I didn't notice the hijabi stall among the many many exhibitors (I was mostly engaged by the big book stall, and the fabulous Brighton women's history stall), but I have come, through my professional life, to understand a bit more about Islamic feminism (note: not Islamicist).

I find it really productive to reflect on the way that we all, as women in our specific cultural contexts, move between working within the social and cultural constraints in which we find ourselves, and challenging those limits. There are always constraints, even in the West.

Talkinpeace · 18/10/2025 12:40

Remember the good bits of the weekend.
Build on them.
Hope that the Charity Commission put together a solid action plan for the Trustees and Officers.

Mmmnotsure · 18/10/2025 13:11

A good response, I think.

Given the level of behaviour of companies, government, organisations, charities, political parties across the spectrum, etc atm, it appears that Filia are being held to higher standards.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 18/10/2025 14:38

impossibletoday · 18/10/2025 14:12

This is a good response. FiLiA have disgraced themselves and upset a lot of women in the process. I hope the Charity Commission looks into the use of funds and whether FiLiA money was used to bring US “feminists” here, whose intent and background was plain to see. And then if so, consider whether a Prevent referral is required. Because it’s public information that Hamas is a proscribed organisation and no one should be supporting it or its associates.

Shedmistress · 18/10/2025 14:44

If you weren't there, I think you're carping. I suspect that there are some hurt egos who enjoy taking potshots at the "headgirls" (such ridiculous language) who dared to set up an organisation so successful that over 2,000 extraordinary-ordinary women registered and gathered in Brighton, after similar gatherings in past years.

Well, 1998 after they kicked out two lesbians one of which is black for <checks notes> existing.

Extra-ordinary indeed.

JoanOgden · 18/10/2025 14:45

The Charity Commission are so overworked and underrresourced that they don't investigate a lot of really serious complaints. I'd be astonished if they spent any time on a case where the key takeaway is "for God's sake do some due diligence on your speakers and exhibitors".

But good that Filia is taking this seriously.

Shinyredbicycle · 18/10/2025 15:56

Julie Birchill is a polemicist who, as she says, wasn't there. The article draws false equivalences between women who attended the converence and Islamists, as if they're all one thing. As if a stall selling embroidery was all that was going on at FiLiA.

I admire JB's don't give a shit stance a lot of the time, but this sort of click bait is tedious.

ParmaVioletTea · 18/10/2025 16:09

And the photo illustration is actually of FiLIA - it doesn't look like the entrance to the Brighton Centre - no wire fences or police in view, for a start

Yes, b/c of the TRAs, we had to walk along a path fenced off by v high fences and then have a by-hand bag search, followed by walking through a scanner.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 18/10/2025 16:29

I wasn't at a lot of things I have view on. I expect so does everyone else if they’re honest eg the views on Gaza - has everyone been there? No. Of course they haven’t.

This year’s event was a terrible advert for next year’s. Which, by the way, will be the first not in October and will clash with Yom Kippur won’t it? Hard to believe that is a coincidence.