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Who‘s coming to FiLIA?

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lanadelgrey · 23/08/2025 10:33

I‘m starting to get excited.
Are there plans for a MN meetup?

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Kimes · 13/10/2025 18:46

Banning a black lesbian pretty much sums FiLiA and their supporters up.

CaptainWhacky · 13/10/2025 19:01

Kimes · 13/10/2025 18:46

Banning a black lesbian pretty much sums FiLiA and their supporters up.

Oh wow! That’s awful! Do you have a source for this?

TinselAngel · 13/10/2025 19:04

DrSpartacularsMagnificentOctopus · 13/10/2025 18:40

That's worse than I expected.

Yikes. Me too.

TinselAngel · 13/10/2025 19:04

CaptainWhacky · 13/10/2025 19:01

Oh wow! That’s awful! Do you have a source for this?

See Aja’s Twitter.

Mollyollydolly · 13/10/2025 19:19

It says something that she thinks that speech is acceptable. It would have been so easy to end speaking about Palestine and Israel, condemning all the violence against women and using it as a time to bring women together (especially with the ceasefire) instead she ignored Jewish victims completely and called the only democratic country in the region fascist.
And she obviously still thinks it was ok and she's been misrepresented, well she hasn't been misrepresented, it was ill judged in the extreme. And very divisive.

TinselAngel · 13/10/2025 19:27

“We must not allow ourselves to be divided, except by this” being the gist of the speech.

Its very in alignment with the current version of “inclusion” where you respect the beliefs of everybody but only as long they’re within certain omnicause parameters.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/10/2025 19:28

Shinyredbicycle · 13/10/2025 14:00

Yes, indeed, Jean Hatchet did try to snatch/did snatch Palestinian flags from some of the women on the stage and yes, indeed it flared things up, as she intended it to.

Surely waving a flag was itself a provocative action? They must have known it would upset people.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/10/2025 19:36

I wasn't there and cannot imagine myself ever attending, but to my mind the Palestinian flag waving and the aggressive moral certainty that accompanies it is totally reminiscent of trans activists. What were these women thinking to permit themselves to get caught up in the hatred that typifies tribal politics such as this? Also very poor, ill thought out timing given the current ceasefire.

I also sense, though, that some may have become bogged down in the politics of personality and popularity that tends to accompany organised movements of any type.

Shinyredbicycle · 13/10/2025 19:57

Waving the Palestinian flag and the yellow ribbons were provocative acts. Possibly the individuals who did so came from a place of expressing their beliefs, without realising that other parties present would experience them as racist/offensive/provocative.

Regardless, the FiLiA disco wasn't really the time or place for either. IMVHO.

CornflakeGirlsClub · 13/10/2025 20:02

The fucking egos on these people! I don’t give a fuck what Rahila Gupta thinks about Palestine. I can hear ‘from the river to the sea’ at every toxic fucking student union / trade union / male-dominated misogynistic gathering of pricks about.

A lot of ordinary women travelled miles and paid money they couldn’t afford to attend this event, and you’ve got a minority of self-important attention seekng jack arses and a few juvenile social media warriors sabotaging it. Just fuck off and let the grown-ups speak next time, will ya!

Talkinpeace · 13/10/2025 20:05

I missed Rahila's speech.
Having now seen it I am glad I did.
I am saddened that Filia allowed her stall to stay after that.

The Filia book she was involved with probably did not sell well for the rest of the weekend.
I certainly do not want a copy.

MurkyWeather2 · 13/10/2025 20:14

Dopeydoraz · 13/10/2025 18:00

Julia long, Tinsel Angel, Jean Hatchet, Aja and Dj Lippy should create their own event. Many of us would enjoying pulling it apart

I'd pay to attend that. Can we have Jo Bartosch too?

EmpressaurusKitty · 13/10/2025 20:16

MurkyWeather2 · 13/10/2025 20:14

I'd pay to attend that. Can we have Jo Bartosch too?

And Sheila Jeffreys.

Shinyredbicycle · 13/10/2025 20:20

That is a great idea - the more feminist conferences the better.

Thingybob · 13/10/2025 21:21

I've just realised that Filia sent out an email yesterday with a link to a feedback form so have now given them my thoughts.

Imnobody4 · 13/10/2025 21:43

CornflakeGirlsClub · 13/10/2025 20:02

The fucking egos on these people! I don’t give a fuck what Rahila Gupta thinks about Palestine. I can hear ‘from the river to the sea’ at every toxic fucking student union / trade union / male-dominated misogynistic gathering of pricks about.

A lot of ordinary women travelled miles and paid money they couldn’t afford to attend this event, and you’ve got a minority of self-important attention seekng jack arses and a few juvenile social media warriors sabotaging it. Just fuck off and let the grown-ups speak next time, will ya!

Edited

Totally agree it's just self indulgent posturing. No self awareness at all.

ArcheryAnnie · 13/10/2025 21:46

Thingybob · 13/10/2025 18:28

Rahila Gupta has posted the transcript and the video of the last few minutes of her speech at the opening Filia session.

It's still a no from me

x.com/RahilaG/status/1977740462581526658

The irony of that speech: "we must take an expansive and generous view of any differences", then proceeds to shit on the stage (as I heard it described by a filia team member) with the most divisive thing possible. It was so disrespectful, not just to Jewish women there (though that would've been enough), but also to all the other attendees and speakers, and to her fellow authors of the book, whose work she has sabotaged.

halfpastten · 13/10/2025 21:56

I was sorry to hear about all the problems at Filia, but not surprised. Since the leadership signed the infamous 'GC against the far right' letter, it was always heading this way. They actively sought out pro-Paly activists to platform, what did they expect. The far left always eats itself.

ParmaVioletTea · 13/10/2025 22:17

EmpressaurusKitty · 13/10/2025 20:16

And Sheila Jeffreys.

WDI , run by the indefatigable Jo Brew, does a conference each year plus weekly webinars. I’ve had the joy of contributing to both and it’s really satisfying and a great bunch of women.

estellacandance · 13/10/2025 22:19

Jo is a star.

ArealAdultHumanFemale · 13/10/2025 23:37

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/10/2025 19:28

Surely waving a flag was itself a provocative action? They must have known it would upset people.

Edited

Waved provocatively at an elderly Jewish woman, who was distressed by it.

Yes, I was there from Thurs to after the (cut short) Closing session on Sunday afternoon.

Yawhat · 14/10/2025 00:59

There is a certain irony about waving a Palestine flag while dancing at a disco.

ArealAdultHumanFemale · 14/10/2025 01:31

Yawhat · 14/10/2025 00:59

There is a certain irony about waving a Palestine flag while dancing at a disco.

Irony?
After all the rape, desecration, murder at a dance festival
All you can come up with is you think "that's ironic?"

IwantToRetire · 14/10/2025 02:41

I didn't come back to this thread after the disgusting comment on page 3 (I think now deleted) but hav now read through this thread and the new one started about Julian Long's interveiw on GB news.

Warning signs were already made public prior to the event, eg what happened to TinselAngel, the american lesbian activist disinvited for working across the divide, the bizarre notion that FWS aren't capable of talking about their own campaign, etc., etc.. Sheila Jeffries being excluded.

But also, which has been said, the organising group has been infiltrated by members of the Actual Gender Critical Left group and the network of feminists they think are acceptable.

For them their left purity politics are the priority. It is no surprise that Julie Long, Shelia Jeffries etc., get banned (not invited). The original Filia team were and maybe still are politically niave, and easy to manipulate - or a bit starry eyed and have accepted that women who are names in feminist left circles are to be enabled.

So not just because of this FiLia but what we often discuss on FWR about how there are feminist facktions, if in future women dont question the motives and politics of the organising group you are quite likely to be confronted by something and someone you dont agree with.

It just seems really, really strange that those who are on FWR would not be aware of the drift of FiLia (or is that captured) the feminists whose politics most threads on FWR disagree with. Let alone the long thread on FWR about the workshop where those attending felt they were being manipulated by those aligned to AGCL. Ironically they women who held that workshop thought they were brilliant and everyong who attended was really impressed by them. No wonder they have thought it worthwhile getting established within the organising.

Instead of the sort of bleating that Rahila Gupta wrote about who should we choose, etc., whilst arranging for friends to have a platform why not suggest to FiLia that next time they draw up a draft proposed list of workshops and speakers, and then ask those interested in attending their reaction to that draft.

This is how the original Women's Libeation conferences were organise. No central committe whether registered as a charity or not, would presume to tell women this is what you should listen to.

In fact the first draft of potential workshops (there would never have been anything as elitisted as platformed speakers) would be circulated, and potential attendees would then indicate which if any workshops they were interested in.

This way the content is decided by attendees.

And no plenaries where supposed more important women get to speak down to from the platform.

There might be an end of conference meeting but that would be the opportunity for workshop, campaigns to give a brief outline of what happened in their workshop, and if they for instance were going to start a new campaign.

All that has happened with FiLia is that they have turned feminist activism into a sort of feminist festival, just another cultural event for those with the time and money to attend.

So am I suprised that someone whose politicals are all about virtue signalling would abuse her position on the platform to virtue signal to her brand of feminists (see who she has @ on her twitter account).

I am more suprised that any of you are surprised. If you want FiLia in some form to survive but reflect the politics and political behaviour you think is appropriate, it means letting FiLia know that if they want to continue they need to somehow be much more responsive and in touch with feminist activism, which isn't just about oh nobody will come unless we have well known names. Meeting up and linking with women

By the way I am GC and anti Zionist (as represented by Netanyahu etc.) and the GC feminists I know are too. But think it is possible for women who have politically leaning one way or the other to find what are the common experiences as women.

So not only as a feminist do I think Rahila Gupta did was totally unacceptable at a notionally feminist conference, but also really stupid and has resulted in a backlash.

I despair at the left.

How is it that they end up thinking they have some sort of superiority in terms of political analysis and anyone who doesn't see the world they do are the enemy and should be condemned and spoken down to.

Kimes · 14/10/2025 06:43

halfpastten · 13/10/2025 21:56

I was sorry to hear about all the problems at Filia, but not surprised. Since the leadership signed the infamous 'GC against the far right' letter, it was always heading this way. They actively sought out pro-Paly activists to platform, what did they expect. The far left always eats itself.

The Jew -hating fish rots from the head down.