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Who‘s coming to FiLIA?

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lanadelgrey · 23/08/2025 10:33

I‘m starting to get excited.
Are there plans for a MN meetup?

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TinselAngel · 14/10/2025 07:09

IwantToRetire · 14/10/2025 02:41

I didn't come back to this thread after the disgusting comment on page 3 (I think now deleted) but hav now read through this thread and the new one started about Julian Long's interveiw on GB news.

Warning signs were already made public prior to the event, eg what happened to TinselAngel, the american lesbian activist disinvited for working across the divide, the bizarre notion that FWS aren't capable of talking about their own campaign, etc., etc.. Sheila Jeffries being excluded.

But also, which has been said, the organising group has been infiltrated by members of the Actual Gender Critical Left group and the network of feminists they think are acceptable.

For them their left purity politics are the priority. It is no surprise that Julie Long, Shelia Jeffries etc., get banned (not invited). The original Filia team were and maybe still are politically niave, and easy to manipulate - or a bit starry eyed and have accepted that women who are names in feminist left circles are to be enabled.

So not just because of this FiLia but what we often discuss on FWR about how there are feminist facktions, if in future women dont question the motives and politics of the organising group you are quite likely to be confronted by something and someone you dont agree with.

It just seems really, really strange that those who are on FWR would not be aware of the drift of FiLia (or is that captured) the feminists whose politics most threads on FWR disagree with. Let alone the long thread on FWR about the workshop where those attending felt they were being manipulated by those aligned to AGCL. Ironically they women who held that workshop thought they were brilliant and everyong who attended was really impressed by them. No wonder they have thought it worthwhile getting established within the organising.

Instead of the sort of bleating that Rahila Gupta wrote about who should we choose, etc., whilst arranging for friends to have a platform why not suggest to FiLia that next time they draw up a draft proposed list of workshops and speakers, and then ask those interested in attending their reaction to that draft.

This is how the original Women's Libeation conferences were organise. No central committe whether registered as a charity or not, would presume to tell women this is what you should listen to.

In fact the first draft of potential workshops (there would never have been anything as elitisted as platformed speakers) would be circulated, and potential attendees would then indicate which if any workshops they were interested in.

This way the content is decided by attendees.

And no plenaries where supposed more important women get to speak down to from the platform.

There might be an end of conference meeting but that would be the opportunity for workshop, campaigns to give a brief outline of what happened in their workshop, and if they for instance were going to start a new campaign.

All that has happened with FiLia is that they have turned feminist activism into a sort of feminist festival, just another cultural event for those with the time and money to attend.

So am I suprised that someone whose politicals are all about virtue signalling would abuse her position on the platform to virtue signal to her brand of feminists (see who she has @ on her twitter account).

I am more suprised that any of you are surprised. If you want FiLia in some form to survive but reflect the politics and political behaviour you think is appropriate, it means letting FiLia know that if they want to continue they need to somehow be much more responsive and in touch with feminist activism, which isn't just about oh nobody will come unless we have well known names. Meeting up and linking with women

By the way I am GC and anti Zionist (as represented by Netanyahu etc.) and the GC feminists I know are too. But think it is possible for women who have politically leaning one way or the other to find what are the common experiences as women.

So not only as a feminist do I think Rahila Gupta did was totally unacceptable at a notionally feminist conference, but also really stupid and has resulted in a backlash.

I despair at the left.

How is it that they end up thinking they have some sort of superiority in terms of political analysis and anyone who doesn't see the world they do are the enemy and should be condemned and spoken down to.

I think you are spot on here.

Shinyredbicycle · 14/10/2025 07:26

Good grief. It's been three years since that ridiculous 'it was all coded messages' Elephant in the Room thread.

Given that those on the panel have been proved to be correct about the rise of the far right and move to the right in mainstream politics internationally, isn't it time you organised a conference that meets all the criteria you seem to want from conferences?

In all sincerity, I mean that. If only to have something to do than complain about the way other women are doing things.

Dopeydoraz · 14/10/2025 07:44

ParmaVioletTea · 13/10/2025 22:17

WDI , run by the indefatigable Jo Brew, does a conference each year plus weekly webinars. I’ve had the joy of contributing to both and it’s really satisfying and a great bunch of women.

I had to search hard to find this wdi conference- it appears to be a hybrid conference and tiny compared to filia’s event? It’s comparatively easy to run a small event. The largeness of filia makes it much more important

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/10/2025 07:49

Dopeydoraz · 14/10/2025 07:44

I had to search hard to find this wdi conference- it appears to be a hybrid conference and tiny compared to filia’s event? It’s comparatively easy to run a small event. The largeness of filia makes it much more important

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It was small, but excellent.

Are you a FiLiA volunteer, @Dopeydoraz?

Shedmistress · 14/10/2025 08:00

Dopeydoraz · 14/10/2025 07:44

I had to search hard to find this wdi conference- it appears to be a hybrid conference and tiny compared to filia’s event? It’s comparatively easy to run a small event. The largeness of filia makes it much more important

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Can you focus on the question asked of you previously please. By the woman you defamed in one of your previous posts. Thanks.

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/10/2025 08:03

Shinyredbicycle · 13/10/2025 19:57

Waving the Palestinian flag and the yellow ribbons were provocative acts. Possibly the individuals who did so came from a place of expressing their beliefs, without realising that other parties present would experience them as racist/offensive/provocative.

Regardless, the FiLiA disco wasn't really the time or place for either. IMVHO.

The yellow ribbons are not declaring hatred towards Palestinians, though. They are symbols of remembrance for hostages,not hatred for Gazans. It would be like saying that a Poppy is a symbol of hate. The Palestinaian flag waving and the calls of " From the River to the Sea" etc that tend to accompany it are overtly political slogans and the people enacting them are declaring anti Israel sentiment at best, and hatred and destructive intent at worst.

I don't think they are equivalent to be honest.

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/10/2025 08:10

halfpastten · 13/10/2025 21:56

I was sorry to hear about all the problems at Filia, but not surprised. Since the leadership signed the infamous 'GC against the far right' letter, it was always heading this way. They actively sought out pro-Paly activists to platform, what did they expect. The far left always eats itself.

Yes, Filia does seem to have become a victim of this positioning and polarisation amongst those who wanted to continue to identify with what has become of the Left/Progressivism and those who have rejected it or moved beyond it.

JCJ annoys me. I used to think she was quite brilliant, but now she seems far more invested in nurturing her credentials as a 'right on' left wing activist who just happens to be more enlightened that many of the others - purely because of her stance on women's sex based rights and trans issues.

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/10/2025 08:17

IwantToRetire · 14/10/2025 02:41

I didn't come back to this thread after the disgusting comment on page 3 (I think now deleted) but hav now read through this thread and the new one started about Julian Long's interveiw on GB news.

Warning signs were already made public prior to the event, eg what happened to TinselAngel, the american lesbian activist disinvited for working across the divide, the bizarre notion that FWS aren't capable of talking about their own campaign, etc., etc.. Sheila Jeffries being excluded.

But also, which has been said, the organising group has been infiltrated by members of the Actual Gender Critical Left group and the network of feminists they think are acceptable.

For them their left purity politics are the priority. It is no surprise that Julie Long, Shelia Jeffries etc., get banned (not invited). The original Filia team were and maybe still are politically niave, and easy to manipulate - or a bit starry eyed and have accepted that women who are names in feminist left circles are to be enabled.

So not just because of this FiLia but what we often discuss on FWR about how there are feminist facktions, if in future women dont question the motives and politics of the organising group you are quite likely to be confronted by something and someone you dont agree with.

It just seems really, really strange that those who are on FWR would not be aware of the drift of FiLia (or is that captured) the feminists whose politics most threads on FWR disagree with. Let alone the long thread on FWR about the workshop where those attending felt they were being manipulated by those aligned to AGCL. Ironically they women who held that workshop thought they were brilliant and everyong who attended was really impressed by them. No wonder they have thought it worthwhile getting established within the organising.

Instead of the sort of bleating that Rahila Gupta wrote about who should we choose, etc., whilst arranging for friends to have a platform why not suggest to FiLia that next time they draw up a draft proposed list of workshops and speakers, and then ask those interested in attending their reaction to that draft.

This is how the original Women's Libeation conferences were organise. No central committe whether registered as a charity or not, would presume to tell women this is what you should listen to.

In fact the first draft of potential workshops (there would never have been anything as elitisted as platformed speakers) would be circulated, and potential attendees would then indicate which if any workshops they were interested in.

This way the content is decided by attendees.

And no plenaries where supposed more important women get to speak down to from the platform.

There might be an end of conference meeting but that would be the opportunity for workshop, campaigns to give a brief outline of what happened in their workshop, and if they for instance were going to start a new campaign.

All that has happened with FiLia is that they have turned feminist activism into a sort of feminist festival, just another cultural event for those with the time and money to attend.

So am I suprised that someone whose politicals are all about virtue signalling would abuse her position on the platform to virtue signal to her brand of feminists (see who she has @ on her twitter account).

I am more suprised that any of you are surprised. If you want FiLia in some form to survive but reflect the politics and political behaviour you think is appropriate, it means letting FiLia know that if they want to continue they need to somehow be much more responsive and in touch with feminist activism, which isn't just about oh nobody will come unless we have well known names. Meeting up and linking with women

By the way I am GC and anti Zionist (as represented by Netanyahu etc.) and the GC feminists I know are too. But think it is possible for women who have politically leaning one way or the other to find what are the common experiences as women.

So not only as a feminist do I think Rahila Gupta did was totally unacceptable at a notionally feminist conference, but also really stupid and has resulted in a backlash.

I despair at the left.

How is it that they end up thinking they have some sort of superiority in terms of political analysis and anyone who doesn't see the world they do are the enemy and should be condemned and spoken down to.

Does being critical of Netanyahu automatically equate to being " anti Zionist". Why?

Anti Zionism is just another way of expressing one's rejection of Israel. Full stop. Why the need to declare one's "anti-zionist" credentials. Can't one simply be critical of a particular political faction and its leader?

IamSarah · 14/10/2025 08:17

The intimidation tactics of some women were very effective. There were many women who felt unable to speak on stage on the Sunday morning due to the events of the previous evening.

The women who came spoiling for a fight ensured that everybody was talking about them the next day. It became all about them and not about the women who had spent months preparing for their FiLiA sessions, which is exactly what the disruptors wanted.

lanadelgrey · 14/10/2025 08:44

This was my fourth FiLiA. Portsmouth was much more grassroots and had a more workshop focused and women talking about the work they did in VAWG or trade union sectors.
I think there is a tension between it being a conference, which suggests having a manifesto, or a gathering which is more about bringing women with several but not all things in common together. I think I prefer the gathering aspect. What unified Cardiff was Iran which was an acutely present factor that year and the FWS/JKR pull of Glasgow. Blackpool may help bring the focus back down to v specific problems of the area.

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UrsulasHerbBag · 14/10/2025 09:04

i have read some wonderful stories from women who had amazing experiences of togetherness and solidarity at this weeks event and that shouldn’t be forgotten. FiLiA is a fantastic event and I hope everyone can pull together to see it continue in the way it has before this episode. I hope when the organisers have calmed down because I am sure they are feeling desperately upset and angry that this event has been sullied by the actions of a few on BOTH sides of the divide. I hope they can look at what went wrong and how they can adjust things to move forward. The speakers they had were divisive this can be looked at in future, with perhaps a pledge from both speakers and attendees to leave aggressive divisive politics at the door. those two American women have doubled down on their social media which has made everything worse plus Jean has gone stratospheric with what happened and her detractors have launched into a “well I wasn’t there but this is what I heard” campaign. It’s no bloody good for anyone. There is a very left leaning woman in one of my groups who has been part of FiLiA organising since its inception and even she felt she couldn’t be part of it this year. That’s just sad. As someone said up thread Feminism is for all women even the ones you don’t like. I also wanted to say @IwantToRetire post was really interesting to me (I often disagree with her posts but I loved how she wrote today it very much resonated with me), she’s old school and I agreed with a lot of what she said.

UrsulasHerbBag · 14/10/2025 09:05

lanadelgrey · 14/10/2025 08:44

This was my fourth FiLiA. Portsmouth was much more grassroots and had a more workshop focused and women talking about the work they did in VAWG or trade union sectors.
I think there is a tension between it being a conference, which suggests having a manifesto, or a gathering which is more about bringing women with several but not all things in common together. I think I prefer the gathering aspect. What unified Cardiff was Iran which was an acutely present factor that year and the FWS/JKR pull of Glasgow. Blackpool may help bring the focus back down to v specific problems of the area.

Also agree with this! I was at Cardiff and that’s how I felt too.

PronounssheRa · 14/10/2025 09:13

Blackpool may help bring the focus back down to v specific problems of the area.

Julie Bindel wrote about the grooming gangs operating in Blackpool and the recent appalling incidents at BVH. I'm sure any panel she is on would be really well informed. But beyond that do Filia have any understanding of the experiences of women and girls in the area? Yeah sure some locals could attend but the vast majority wouldn't be able to afford it.

I say this from living in the town for many years that they need to be really careful how they structure 2026, who they invite to platform (local grassroots orgs would be great).

IamSarah · 14/10/2025 09:46

Lisa-Marie (FiLiA CEO) spent most of her time in Brighton in the 2 years before FiLiA. Each year she travels to a FiLiA city, to become part of local communities and build real connections with women and women’s groups across the UK.

I’m sure she will do the same in Blackpool.

whatwouldafeministdo · 14/10/2025 09:52

Shinyredbicycle · 14/10/2025 07:26

Good grief. It's been three years since that ridiculous 'it was all coded messages' Elephant in the Room thread.

Given that those on the panel have been proved to be correct about the rise of the far right and move to the right in mainstream politics internationally, isn't it time you organised a conference that meets all the criteria you seem to want from conferences?

In all sincerity, I mean that. If only to have something to do than complain about the way other women are doing things.

I think it's reasonable for women who paid money to come to the conference to complain if it doesn't do as promised. Which when it's more about Palestine than women's rights (in some sessions at least) it doesn't.

You're writing as if it was a free conference, it wasn't.

whatwouldafeministdo · 14/10/2025 09:56

PronounssheRa · 14/10/2025 09:13

Blackpool may help bring the focus back down to v specific problems of the area.

Julie Bindel wrote about the grooming gangs operating in Blackpool and the recent appalling incidents at BVH. I'm sure any panel she is on would be really well informed. But beyond that do Filia have any understanding of the experiences of women and girls in the area? Yeah sure some locals could attend but the vast majority wouldn't be able to afford it.

I say this from living in the town for many years that they need to be really careful how they structure 2026, who they invite to platform (local grassroots orgs would be great).

Great post.

The cost of Filia will exclude many working class women, KJK's 'let women speak' doesn't exclude. I think that's possibly what they hate about her.

It's an important point that if you're organising a feminist conference in a particular town it's important to consider the feminist issues in that town and invite grassroots organisations. It might be a way to help keep the focus on women's rights and not some other random political issue too.

PronounssheRa · 14/10/2025 10:05

IamSarah · 14/10/2025 09:46

Lisa-Marie (FiLiA CEO) spent most of her time in Brighton in the 2 years before FiLiA. Each year she travels to a FiLiA city, to become part of local communities and build real connections with women and women’s groups across the UK.

I’m sure she will do the same in Blackpool.

I do hope so, there are some great grassroots organisation but its such a poor town getting traction is difficult.

There are so many issues in the town that impact women and girls, poverty, sexual and other forms of exploitation, high levels of of girls on child protection registers, addiction, and the scandals at BVH in which women are harmed and killed.

There is much good that could be done, but they need to avoid it being hijacked by personalities (on both side) and politics. That would be beyond tragic.

Shinyredbicycle · 14/10/2025 10:48

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/10/2025 08:03

The yellow ribbons are not declaring hatred towards Palestinians, though. They are symbols of remembrance for hostages,not hatred for Gazans. It would be like saying that a Poppy is a symbol of hate. The Palestinaian flag waving and the calls of " From the River to the Sea" etc that tend to accompany it are overtly political slogans and the people enacting them are declaring anti Israel sentiment at best, and hatred and destructive intent at worst.

I don't think they are equivalent to be honest.

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No-one at the disco was shouting from the river to the sea.

Many people who hold Palestinian flags do so to support Palestine, not because they hate Jews.

There are enough heightened emotions without exaggerating, or making assumptions or sweeping generalisations.

Just on FILiA, as I am Sarah says, the CEO of Filia moves (in her van) to the city where the next conference will be held to spend a year (or 2 in the case of Brighton) working with groups who are already supporting girls and women there. They put loads into grassroots work and also give many women free tickets and organise and fund their accommodation so that they can attend the conference.

estellacandance · 14/10/2025 10:55

They’ll go there and not even mention Charlene Downes.

HagsRule · 14/10/2025 11:01

Been lurking on this thread, just commenting to say it's really sad to hear that some women made the conference about their own political activism.

Beowulfa · 14/10/2025 12:23

HagsRule · 14/10/2025 11:01

Been lurking on this thread, just commenting to say it's really sad to hear that some women made the conference about their own political activism.

Encouraging a provocative chant, waving flags on the dancefloor; these are the actions of beered up football thugs spoiling for a fight at a provincial nightclub.

RobinEllacotStrike · 14/10/2025 12:26

whatwouldafeministdo · 14/10/2025 09:56

Great post.

The cost of Filia will exclude many working class women, KJK's 'let women speak' doesn't exclude. I think that's possibly what they hate about her.

It's an important point that if you're organising a feminist conference in a particular town it's important to consider the feminist issues in that town and invite grassroots organisations. It might be a way to help keep the focus on women's rights and not some other random political issue too.

Clearly there are HUGE costs in putting on an event such as FiLiA - and Filia makes a massive & constant effort to make the weekends accessible for working class and unwaged women. This is central to how Filia runs.

They provide a free creche, have a solidarity ticket scheme, fundraise to supply as many solidarity tickets to women as possible & offer heavily discounted concession tickets.

Filia also works in the local area with local groups extensively in advance of each event.

RobinEllacotStrike · 14/10/2025 12:29

Beowulfa · 14/10/2025 12:23

Encouraging a provocative chant, waving flags on the dancefloor; these are the actions of beered up football thugs spoiling for a fight at a provincial nightclub.

I was there.

There was ONE woman with ONE P flag at the disco.

Beowulfa · 14/10/2025 12:37

RobinEllacotStrike · 14/10/2025 12:29

I was there.

There was ONE woman with ONE P flag at the disco.

But only a moron takes a political flag to a disco. And it only takes one moron to make it all about them. How organisers deal with fringe nutters should be factored into their event planning.

RobinEllacotStrike · 14/10/2025 12:43

agreed.

But I am reading over and over how there were flagS plural being waved at the disco which is not true - there was one woman waving one flag.

While I found her actions to be in very bad taste I saw her actions as HERS alone.