"job loss, violence, vigilantism and wholesale exclusion" following Supreme Court ruling and EHRC guidance

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"Shocking" new evidence released this week has shone a light on how cis and trans people, since the Supreme Court ruling (FWS vs The Scottish Ministers) in April 2025, face "violence, harassment and exclusion" whether or not they are trying to follow “the new rules”.

“The report tells a story of bullying and exclusion. The Supreme Court, the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) and the government have all claimed to care about the dignity and safety of women and trans people. This report proves that by taking the approach of segregation they are failing in that.

“If the government care about discrimination and violence against women they will refuse any EHRC guidance that ends with organisations or individuals policing who goes into which bathroom, and restore equality law to a sound footing.

“But don’t take my word for it. Take it from the many people who have told us their story in this report.

https://www.scenemag.co.uk/trans-and-cisgender-people-face-job-loss-violence-vigilantism-and-wholesale-exclusion-following-supreme-court-ruling-and-ehrc-guidance-report-shows/

Sadly this will now no doubt become a report used to provide "evidence" of how the Supreme Court ruling is anti trans, rather than what it really is, restoring women's sex based rights.

That’s why so many incels are attracted to gender ideology - it allows them to hate women as a privileged class and be lauded for it as “progressive.”

What exactly is a cis woman under this undefined binary of biological sex?

I think that we are now seeing played out in public what happened behind closed doors last time. After the EqA2010 the EHRC produced guidance, trans lobby groups objected and the guidance was changed. They are doing the same thing now but this time enough people know the history - and the results of that history - to object. I suspect these same arguments might have had influence in 2010-2011. Now there’s just a lot of sarcastic Terfs pointing out the fact that this is bollocks.

One long whinge. And not a thought for the women who do not want men in their spaces. No understanding from some women (the health spa group) that they cannot make a decision for other women, either as to whether a space is single sex or mixed sex.

If this is valid and important research, so is Lisa Littman’s ROGD study and the BBC report about the cotton ceiling.

And yes, this.

Thing is, before all this TRA nonsense, a butch woman in a women's loo would be assumed to be just that...a butch woman.

But now women are aware of trans-identified men not only accessing women's loos (and not wanting to share that space with them anyway) but also what some of them get up to in there, despite their protestations that they 'just want to pee'. So they're a bit freaked out at the prospect that this might actually be a man and act accordingly. I'm absolutely not advocating aggression - go and get the staff to deal with it if you think there's someone in a changing room that shouldn't be there - but I can see how it happens, particularly if you're a lone woman behind a closed door.

I can also absolutely see how butch women are pissed off too - a friend has been mistaken for a man several times and it really upsets her. I can only imagine that that's probably worse at the moment.

And yet all of this came about because entitled TIMs just couldn't stop demanding access to women's spaces, and women are now suspicious of who is sharing spaces with them and their children. The TRA lobby only have themselves to blame, and the absolute bare-faced cheek of them giving one shiny shit about women's/lesbians' rights and feelings now, when in all other situations they are just collateral damage to men's special feelz and wants, absolutely boils my piss.

"Job loss! Violence! Vigilantism! Wholesale exclusion!"

It's thrills and spills in Mad Max 6, where Max gets a job in HR and makes his company's DEI policies compatible with a recent Supreme Court ruling.

Strange how they didn’t write a report like this about the takeover of women’s spaces, sports, services & language. Because there actually was ‘violence, vigilantism, wholesale exclusion, job losses, silencing ….. And we know that, because it’s documented undeniably in court records.

Nothing here apart from a bunch of entitled people who need to rearrange their thinking to recognise that other people have rights

@SidewaysOtter Thanks for that. I agree, I do have sympathy for women caught up in this, especially if they find it upsetting.

I would go further. Yes transwomen pushing for access (on self ID) has raised awareness that men are there but intentionally using women, butch and transmen as examples to try and gain access to women's space without challenge.

Transwomen are the polar opposite of butch lesbians. Transwomen are men trying to emulate female stereotypes, hair clothes etc. Butch lesbians women are denying these stereotypes.

I wouldn't get one confused with the other. But they are being confused in the media, intentionally so if that makes sense. I.e. butch lesbians will be stopped - makes it sounds transwomen (men) are easily confused with them.

Yes transwomen pushing for access (on self ID) has raised awareness that men are there but intentionally using women, butch and transmen as examples to try and gain access to women's space without challenge.**

Absolutely. I can well imagine the smirks when they try to argue that butch women are allowed in, as are trans-identified women, so why aren't they when they are so much more feminine and are womanning so much better.

Somebody has posted a link to this Transactual report on a workplace chat today reminding us all piously that "Some of our fellow Humans* might need extra care and understanding right now".

I've had to hold myself back from replying to point out that many humans have benefited from the ruling, not least trans men who have had their maternity rights protected.

*No, I have no idea why they capitalised 'humans' either. Extra TRA points for tweeness?

Who are “Transactual”? I seem to remember there is at least one prominent TRA involved.

Doesn't one of them have an "interest" in extreme porn, including films involving the sexual abuse and murder of women in the public eye? Showcasing why women would never want to undress anywhere near them? And another that Steph somebody who organises protests outside feminist conferences where protesters issue threats of physical and sexual abuse at women? Showcasing their views about VAWG?

Or have I got the wrong guys?

You bigot! How very dare you make statements of fact. Truth is transphobic. Reality must be re-educated.

“Steph”’s org is called “Translucent” - I think they were bringing their own lolsuit at one point but this may have been abandoned. “Jane Fae” (he prefers all lower case, but who tf cares) as the other TRA you mention might very well be the TRA I’m thinking of for “Transactual”.

Is there are reason you are acting as if these accounts only come from people that you regard as men? Why, yet again, are the various people that you regard as women - the cisgender women, the trans men, the non-binary people registered as female at birth being ignored?

They say they have a collective structure, and the only names AI could find are Helen Belcher and Chay Brown

Mate, everyone regards those men as men. Even them. Women are simply advocating for our own rights. If males hadn’t invaded spaces where they aren’t wanted in the first place, there wouldn’t be an issue.

PS, there is no such thing as a “cisgender woman”. A woman is an adult female human being. The end.

Doesn’t all of that translate as (roughly speaking) IT’S NOT FAIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRREEEEEEE. Wahhhhhhhhh

It seems a shame that people have to keep repeating this, but it's a fact, nevertheless. And, as I remarked on another thread, the term 'cis women' is an insult. Guardian, and others, please take note.

I'm not a native english speaker, but doesn't this grammar play actually backfire at the TRAs? If a trans woman is a woman who is trans in the same way a black woman is a woman who is black then wouldn't a trans woman be a woman who identifies as trans(a so called transman) and not a man who identifies as trans(a so called transwoman)?

What’s a cisgender woman? Without using outdated, misogynistic stereotypes, please explain the difference between a “cisgender” woman, a woman and a “transwoman

Yes.