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Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread

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fromorbit · 19/08/2025 08:38

The new left party is going to have significant implications for gender and sex discussions on the left in the UK and in wider political debate as well. Lets talk about it.

Four of its prospective MPs are Gaza independents whose votes and comments in the Commons indicate a social conservative background . One of them Adnan Hussain has already got into a row on X with prospective members over his social conservatism.

The hilarious breakdown of the Islamo-left alliance
The progressive left has suddenly noticed that most British Muslims are not exactly woke.
This uneasy marriage got a reality check last week when a Green Party councillor and practising Muslim, Mothin Ali, appeared reluctant to sign a set of ‘pledges’ on behalf of the LGBTQIA+ Greens, Feminist Greens and other similar groups. The MP for Blackburn, ‘Gaza Independent’ Adnan Hussain, then waded into the debate. ‘It’s no secret that Muslims tend to be socially conservative’, Hussain said. ‘Is there a space on the left to create a broad enough church to allow Muslims an authentic space, just as it does other minority groups?’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/04/the-hilarious-breakdown-of-the-islamo-left-alliance/

The initial statement for Your Party focuses on poverty, fighting the system and Gaza, but makes no mention of progressive social issues, . This already signals something significant.
https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

Zarah Sultana on the other hand has already signaled out trans rights as a key principal in a recent interview which has received push back from others. Discussion here:

The Elephant in the Room for Zara Sultana’s “Your Party”
https://labourheartlands.com/the-elephant-in-the-room/
But here’s the rub. Sultana also pledged to “resolutely” advocate for a pro-trans socialist programme. She insists these discussions must happen openly and democratically.

That sounds fine in theory. In practice, the left has already shown itself utterly incapable of having this conversation without collapsing into authoritarian cancel culture.

Can the Left Have an Honest Trans Debate Without Cancelling Women?

For years, women who raise legitimate questions about the impact of gender self-ID on female-only spaces, or about the safeguarding implications highlighted by the Cass Review, have been branded as bigots and driven out of the movement. “Demonising trans people” is often code for “asking difficult but necessary questions.” If Your Party repeats this mistake, it will bleed support from countless socialist women before it even begins.

The truth is, many women will not get involved in this project precisely because of the Corbyn–Sultana line on trans issues. Others may hope the problem quietly goes away. It won’t. Nor is this a side issue: women’s rights are not negotiable add-ons to socialism; they are foundational. To ignore them is to build on sand.

TAs online and who are planning to join are already girding up for war, it is looking messy.

I can see a number of factions inside the new party who are going to make things complicated:

Muslim social conservatives - as mentioned they will be a major part of the party's voting bloc.

Old school Marxists who regard gender ideology as neo liberal capitalist identity politics and a distraction from class.

Realists who will see gender stuff as a marginal issue which needs to be sidelined because it is so toxic and unpopular with the general public.

Last but certainly not least actual left wing feminists who see through gender nonsense and are not going to be quiet about it !!

I expect fireworks over gender at the the party's initial conference supposedly to be held in November. TAs will attempt to make genderism a key principal of the party and will face resistance. Whether it happens or not it will be another nail in the TAs attempt to pretend the left inherently back neoliberal capitalist ideas like genderism. The big terfy mother elephant is going to be at the conference because women keep doing awkward things like existing and saying things.

Corbyn's position is going to be a focus in this because for all his occasional signalling on trans issues like stating pronouns and saying mantras it is not a core issue for him, and moreover he doesn't believe in it narrowly . His circles have long contained gender critical people who he has refused to cancel, because Corbyn for all his faults believes in open debate. So I think this could be a wedge issue between those around Sultana and Corbyn. There are already signs of disagreements between them over other issues like antisemitism:
Sultana: Corbyn 'capitulated' on antisemitism definition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79lr40rqelo

Statement — Your Party

https://www.yourparty.uk/statement

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fromorbit · 01/09/2025 11:48

Telegraph reporting the drama:;

Corbyn’s new party split over trans policy
Adnan Hussain, one of the Left-wing group’s new MPs, has angered activists by saying that trans women are ‘not biologically women’

https://archive.is/x2yMO

Meanwhile the SWP in covering the row is suggesting entryism is needed to protect men's rights:

Socialist Worker - Your Party launch promises a ‘new way of doing things’

It underlines the need for revolutionaries to get involved in the launch events, push for an open and democratic organisation and try to shape the politics of the new party.
We should fight for it to be a party that stands for liberation for all and doesn’t blame trans+ people for women’s oppression.
We have an opportunity to build an alternative to the Labour Party’s racism, austerity, transphobia and warmongering. We should seize the time.

https://socialistworker.co.uk/labour/your-party-launch-promises-a-new-way-of-doing-things/

Preddit is going crazy over the drama.
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1n5il73/adnan_hussain_of_your_party_said_yesterday/

Your Party launch promises a 'new way of doing things'

A crowd of 1,500 people celebrated the launch of Your Party

https://socialistworker.co.uk/labour/your-party-launch-promises-a-new-way-of-doing-things/

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Lalgarh · 01/09/2025 11:54

Oh noes. And Hussain is a landlord !

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 11:56

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 07:51

Agreed @fromorbit

What's happening in densely Muslim areas could really have been foreseen by looking at George Galloway's election campaigns of the past 20 years. Their effect has been limited by the fact that (thank god) you can't clone Galloway, but Labour have failed to take any lessons from them.

Gallows, whatever you think of him, is not a stupid man. His break with the far left was based on figuring out that Muslims breaking from Labour will no longer be content to be NPCs for the white left, but will want candidates who match their priorities and sensibilities. GG's own mix of economic leftism and social conservatism goes down well and predicts figures like Adnan Hussain.

These candidates could be serious players in 20 to 30 constituencies at the next election. Your Party may or may not benefit depending on whether Muslims or Trots have the upper hand.

And nothing happens in a vacuum. Your point about the Hindu community is a good one - it's similar to what we saw a couple of generations ago with the Jewish community. Jews still vote Labour in higher numbers than you might expect - I regularly encounter North London Jews who in class terms should be Tories but who have an emotional commitment to the left the same way that they're hereditary Spurs supporters.

I think it's similar with Hindus in that they're a strongly upwardly mobile community, with the added element that, the more Labour looks like the Muslim party, the more they'll look for alternatives.

I don't know where the women's energy goes when the gender war is won. I know on FWR there's a strong bias to the left and a hope (though not necessarily an expectation) that women will force the centre left parties to become sane on this issue. It might happen, I just wouldn't bet on it - there's a big anti-reality lobby in Labour, and I think it's even more dominant in Lib Dems/Greens/SNP/Plaid.

Kemi of course has been all over the gender war, but the Tories might just be moribund at this point.

I'm not betting on Reform being the beneficiaries, but they have the wind in their sails at the moment and Tim Shipman had a big piece in the Spectator the other week about women shifting to Reform in the polls. Two things there. One was the women's safety press conference they did as part of their summer crime campaign, with Andrea Jenkyns and Sarah Pochin and Laila Cunningham and that woman who leads Kent council and not a bloke in red trousers in sight. That was clearly an attempt to move onto Labour territory, since Labour have long seen VAWG as their issue.

The other thing, which isn't formally Reform but part of their vibe, is the emergence of the Pink Ladies movement around the migrant hotel protests.

I'm not saying that women's energy in the next few years necessarily goes to the right, just that it's up for grabs and we can't underestimate the left's MRA tendencies.

I'm sorry to thread-plug, but I am linking to this thread I started purely bc I think that Reform's claims to be pro-women (obvs they are GC) need to be squared with the fact that in office they want to repeal the Equality Act, as well as the Human Rights Act and the EHCR.

Would the implications of this be pro-woman? And are Reform the only party going to deal w the migrants crisis?

I hope not, bc I don't want the Equality Act to go.

Tbf, Jenrick & Braverman also want to chop the Equality Act & Human Rights Act.

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 11:58

RoyalCorgi · 01/09/2025 11:34

I think she still believe in the materialist side of Marxism.

And so she should. One of the nutty things about trans activism (and, let's face it, every single element of it is completely insane) is the idea that it is a left-wing or Marxist cause. Marxism is rooted in material reality. It recognises that the oppression of women is based on women's reproductive capacity. It is not compatible with identity politics in any shape or form.

I'll say what I can about Lindsey. In SWP circles - and for a long time she was the only female member of the senior leadership, so she set the tone on women's issues - she was well known for not calling herself a feminist.

On the other hand - and I'm going by memory here because I haven't read her book Sex Class and Socialism for at least 25 years - she did try to develop a Marxist materialist analysis that said that women's oppression in society was due to (a) women's sexed bodies and (b) economics under capitalism.

(There are things I disagree with in her position, I no longer believe in a bunch of the economics nor do I believe that Frederick Engels' speculations on anthropology are to be taken seriously)

So I'm not too surprised to see Lindsey adopt a position of "of course we want to support trans people, but hang on, biological sex is a thing and sometimes it matters". This has led to her being lambasted by both the SWP and their breakaway group RS21, who have both gone totally Queer Theory. But it seems to me her position is arguably Marxist and theirs definitely isn't.

The other thing I'd say - and I'm sure Lindsey would deny it and wouldn't thank me for speculating on it - is that she's of that generation of 1970s/80s revolutionaries who didn't have children because they expected the revolution to come soon, and then it was too late, and I'm convinced (this comes from a couple of sources that I can't quote as it would be outing) that on some level she regrets not being a mother. I know she formed very strong bonds with some younger female SWP apparatchiks which suggest to me it wasn't just mentorship, in some sense they were her adoptive daughters.

There are a lot of very involved personal dynamics here, and at least some of it is young(ish) women with fashionable ideas dumping on the older woman with traditional wisdom.

I don't think I'll ever be fond of Lindsey, and there's lots that I disagree with her on, but with the left being the shitshow that it is, I'm still sort of glad she's around.

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 16:18

RoyalCorgi · 01/09/2025 11:34

I think she still believe in the materialist side of Marxism.

And so she should. One of the nutty things about trans activism (and, let's face it, every single element of it is completely insane) is the idea that it is a left-wing or Marxist cause. Marxism is rooted in material reality. It recognises that the oppression of women is based on women's reproductive capacity. It is not compatible with identity politics in any shape or form.

The Morning Star has been pretty consistently GC I think?

God it will come to something if me and Lindsey German are on the same side. But transactivism has been one of the truly disruptive forces in our time I think, making odd allies and unexpected enemies.

fromorbit · 01/09/2025 18:50

Spectator - Corbyn and Sultana’s party split over trans stance

Interesting detail:
Meanwhile Corbyn told a party event in Oldham last week that ‘trans rights are human rights’.

https://archive.is/XEcWx

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fromorbit · 02/09/2025 05:50

Things are getting crazy out there. Latest conspiracy online is British Intelligence were acting to take down Your Party by making Adnan Hussain tweets go viral.

Meanwhile Hussain is making the TAs look crazy by asking for tolerance.

Adnan Hussain MP

This is a personal position, and stance and policies will indeed be decided by members.

Members, however, are highly unlikely to have one uniform opinion and view of the world. A mass movement can only ever succeed if we allow the existence of views contradictory to our own.
Quote
Mrs Gee 💚🇵🇸
Aug 31
You need to make clear this is your personal position & does not reflect the position of 'Your Party'. Because its stance & policies will be decided by members, not you

Another Telegraph article.

Tom Harris
Even I couldn’t have predicted Corbyn’s party would split this quickly
Despite being less than two months old, the trans squabble was not even Your Party’s first public falling out
The hard Left has always been prone to ideological splits, but they are rarely as predictable or comedic as the one threatening to tear apart Jeremy Corbyn’s new project.
Right-wingers have warned for years that fashionable social causes like radical transgender activism are not popular among the Left’s Muslim supporters, and that a schism is coming.
One would think this would not come as much of a surprise considering roughly half of all British Muslims believe being gay should be illegal, according to a 2016 poll. But come as a surprise it as.
https://archive.is/ot55s#

National
Your Party faces policy rift after Adnan Hussain's trans comment

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25431750.party-faces-first-policy-rift-adnan-hussains-trans-comment/

PinkNews
Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana’s party facing controversy over Adnan Hussein’s trans comments
https://archive.is/oeIQn
Typical pnews they manage to fail quickly by saying Hussein is a former Labour MP.

This drama is going to escalate.

'Grim': Your Party faces first policy rift after MP's trans comments

JEREMY Corbyn and Zarah Sultana’s new left-wing party is facing its first policy split amid calls for them to suspend an MP over comments made…

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25431750.party-faces-first-policy-rift-adnan-hussains-trans-comment/

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/09/2025 08:00

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 00:22

TempestTost, I agree it's odd that these Muslims are in Labour etc - on the surface. But Palestine & Gaza are hugely important to many, and the left is the side more (though ofc not all) in favour. Plus the Tories are less likely to tolerate anti Semitism.

Plus Labour had the history of being pro Muslim immigration, and the Tories it is true were more likely to have overtly racist MPs, as well as those simply concerned about immigration and Islam. (Ofc landscape is quite different now, though overtly anti immigration stuff like UKIP or now Reform is more likely to be right wing) It was Labour that turned a blind eye to the grooming gangs, forced marriage, lack of integration, & a lot of other issues that were unsavoury to say the least...

The Tories now are still more likely to clamp down on radicalisation than Labour is, and many are probs more likely to be suspicious of Muslims.

So although it seems contradictory at first, I can see why some Muslims are still voting left. It's different to the US where the Republican party seem less worried about Islam, probs bc the Muslim population is much smaller (though I don't know if it's more moderate than the UK's), so Muslims are more likely to vote for them. However I suspect some Muslims are probs still pro Democrat bc of Gaza.

I remember Owen Jones incredulously reporting on his conversation with his Muslim taxi driver in Washington while covering the US elections. He couldn’t fathom why he was planning to vote for Trump.

SionnachRuadh · 02/09/2025 08:34

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/09/2025 08:00

I remember Owen Jones incredulously reporting on his conversation with his Muslim taxi driver in Washington while covering the US elections. He couldn’t fathom why he was planning to vote for Trump.

OJ has the usual lazy assumption that anyone with a migrant background must be in favour of basically infinite levels of immigration. It doesn't occur to him that they might actually be more sensitive to the impacts of unregulated immigration.

Pluvia · 02/09/2025 09:40

OJ has the usual lazy assumption that anyone with a migrant background must be in favour of basically infinite levels of immigration. It doesn't occur to him that they might actually be more sensitive to the impacts of unregulated immigration.

This! I volunteered supporting refugees and asylum seekers some years ago (stepped back from it around 2017) and encountered former asylum seekers who'd arrived here perhaps 20 years ago and were very concerned about the numbers we were taking in in my nearest city and the effect it was having on the area.

RainbowBagels · 02/09/2025 10:30

SionnachRuadh · 02/09/2025 08:34

OJ has the usual lazy assumption that anyone with a migrant background must be in favour of basically infinite levels of immigration. It doesn't occur to him that they might actually be more sensitive to the impacts of unregulated immigration.

Exactly. People like OJ treat all ' brown' people the same. As if every non European has a hive mind despite having hugely diverse backgrounds and experiences and coming from completely different countries- something he affords to White people.
Immigrant communities are more likely to be affected by overcrowding in housing, the jobs market etc caused by unregulated immigration, sectarian arguments and religious attitudes being brought onto their doorstep from places they thought they'd left behind, and c resentment of illegal immigration when they had to go through the proper channels. Not to mention being affected by increased racism caused by people thinking they are being overrun and their communities being changed out of all recognition in a very short space of time.

Lalgarh · 02/09/2025 11:08

There was a phase when certain labour left activists latched onto Ken Livingstone as he was felt to have Almost Mystical Powers to mobilise ethnic voters and OJ must still be part of that. It always reminds me of the celebration pictures when George Galloway gets in by being voted for by adoring members of whatever group he's groom courting

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article777624.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/George%20Galloway%20of%20the%20Respect%20Party%20celebrates%20with%20his%20supporters%20after%20winning%20the%20Bradford%20West%20by-election

A cynic would say it's white saviour complex

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article777624.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/George%20Galloway%20of%20the%20Respect%20Party%20celebrates%20with%20his%20supporters%20after%20winning%20the%20Bradford%20West%20by-election

SionnachRuadh · 02/09/2025 12:29

OJ is the kind of politico who feels that he's got a deep insight into minority communities because he's met Sunny Hundal.

God, there's a blast from the past. There was a time under Ed Miliband's leadership when OJ was ascending to his position of influence in Labour circles, and Sunny looked to be ascending with him, but then Sunny disappeared. I assume his mum told him he'd got to the age where he should get a proper job and marry a nice Sikh girl.

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 12:31

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 11:13

Here's an interesting straw in the wind though - the other week I got a glossy pamphlet from my local Labour MP on his first year in office.

By way of context, my constituency is very urban, very working class, very non-white, and has had an overwhelming (sometimes 100%) Labour majority on the local council forever, which doesn't seem to have been affected by the area having terrible social outcomes.

By way of further context, my local MP is a gay man who for a long time was a bigwig in LGBT Labour.

His annual report doesn't mention anything in the way of ID politics. It avoids mentioning any controversial national issues at all. It's all about his casework, the number of PQs he's asked, a list of the local businesses he's engaged with.

The most interesting thing about his annual report is that there is no Labour Party branding at all. It could be a communication from an independent MP.

Your MP sounds very sensible. Is he good? Or is this more of a gesture to distance from Labour?

Also, do you think Reform are a pro-women's right party? I know they have the trans and immigration stuff right. As you know tho I mentioned the Equality Act issues (as well as the 2 others) . Will they really be pro women's rights apart from those? Would they support women's right to work outside the home (obvs it's good for mothers to be supported to stay at home if they want, but would they push for that as the only thing? And would they be pro-lesbian rights? Esp as repealing the Equality Act might create difficulties for making lesbian-only spaces?

Otoh, the Guardian interviewed a rash of female, gay , as well as ethnic minority Reform candidates, so who knows? However, I would imagine their base is pretty socially conservative, though I don't know to what extent, obviously there are varying degrees.

Lalgarh · 02/09/2025 12:36

Sunny Hundal! That's brings back some ancient 2000s era political scenester echoes.

Styled himself as a labour progressive then wrote "It's time for brown people to switch to Tory" because of the possibility of I-d cards

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 12:47

SionnachRuadh · 02/09/2025 12:29

OJ is the kind of politico who feels that he's got a deep insight into minority communities because he's met Sunny Hundal.

God, there's a blast from the past. There was a time under Ed Miliband's leadership when OJ was ascending to his position of influence in Labour circles, and Sunny looked to be ascending with him, but then Sunny disappeared. I assume his mum told him he'd got to the age where he should get a proper job and marry a nice Sikh girl.

He's still around. Doesn't seem to have written much since 2022. Apparently used to work for a think tank called More United after Jo Cox's 2019 murder, but that dissolved in 2023, and founded a progressive news collective around then, Front Page Live. Looks like, from his website, he's fichsing on renewable energy now, working with something called Octopus Energy.

He's clearly not Tory now, anyway.

SharonEllis · 02/09/2025 12:48

Lalgarh · 02/09/2025 12:36

Sunny Hundal! That's brings back some ancient 2000s era political scenester echoes.

Styled himself as a labour progressive then wrote "It's time for brown people to switch to Tory" because of the possibility of I-d cards

That is a blast from the past. I quite liked Sunny. Where is he now?

Lalgarh · 02/09/2025 12:49

His clique got eclipsed by Novara with Corbyn.

Oh god we have octopus 🐙 energy.

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 12:51

RainbowBagels · 02/09/2025 10:30

Exactly. People like OJ treat all ' brown' people the same. As if every non European has a hive mind despite having hugely diverse backgrounds and experiences and coming from completely different countries- something he affords to White people.
Immigrant communities are more likely to be affected by overcrowding in housing, the jobs market etc caused by unregulated immigration, sectarian arguments and religious attitudes being brought onto their doorstep from places they thought they'd left behind, and c resentment of illegal immigration when they had to go through the proper channels. Not to mention being affected by increased racism caused by people thinking they are being overrun and their communities being changed out of all recognition in a very short space of time.

Exactly. I would imagine people from the same religion/ethnic group/country would/might? feel some solidarity with each other, but that's not the same as letting unlimited amounts of people in. Plus there's equally the potential for ethnic and religious conflict

I also feel that some Labour activists have extrapolated the clear concern many Muslims DO show for Muslims abroad, esp in Palestine, to mean they would support unlimited immigration (I doubt) (not to mention poor economy etc from Labour's mistakes!)

Some Hindus and Sikhs probably feel similarly - I doubt even the Hindus who support Modi's nationalism & the Sikhs who support Khalistan (a Sikh state, thus is a minority I think) would support huge amounts of immigration.

SionnachRuadh · 02/09/2025 12:52

SharonEllis · 02/09/2025 12:48

That is a blast from the past. I quite liked Sunny. Where is he now?

I thought I saw him on the news running around Libya firing a gun in the air, and I was worried about him and wondered how he'd got himself into a war zone, but it turned out just to be Saif Gaddafi.

SharonEllis · 02/09/2025 12:57

SionnachRuadh · 02/09/2025 12:52

I thought I saw him on the news running around Libya firing a gun in the air, and I was worried about him and wondered how he'd got himself into a war zone, but it turned out just to be Saif Gaddafi.

He did used to throw himself into things 😃

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 13:11

Worryingly it looks like there is much tension between Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims with roots in the subcontinent which most others are unaware of the depths of.

See thus thread where Sunny gets savaged by r/Sikh when he posts a documentary he made with his late brother, a Sikh preacher.

www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/s/9BerhNgEK5

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 13:20

SharonEllis · 02/09/2025 12:48

That is a blast from the past. I quite liked Sunny. Where is he now?

Judging by LinkedIn and his website, he's still busy.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunny-hundal-81a873169?originalSubdomain=uk

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=sunnyhundal.org/&ved=2ahUKEwiqhNnbhrqPAxX1TEEAHbtQBBoQFnoECCcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3CQnLERhH97MGSSjOM7b8r

I'm quite interested in Indian history and sadly it seems a lot of the same interfaith tensions remain the same today. Apparently many Sikhs feel Asian non-Muslim girls were also targeted by the grooming gangs because they were 'kafir' (non-Muslim). Thus some Sikhs allied with figures like Tommy Robinson.

Honestly I doubt whether Muslim girls weren't abused...or, if it weren't the grooming gangs themselves, it'd be something else. A community that gives men too much power always leaves women vulnerable.

https://www.google.com/url?opi=89978449&rct=j&sa=t&source=web&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsunnyhundal.org%2F&usg=AOvVaw3CQnLERhH97MGSSjOM7b8r&ved=2ahUKEwiqhNnbhrqPAxX1TEEAHbtQBBoQFnoECCcQAQ

Lalgarh · 02/09/2025 13:39

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 13:11

Worryingly it looks like there is much tension between Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims with roots in the subcontinent which most others are unaware of the depths of.

See thus thread where Sunny gets savaged by r/Sikh when he posts a documentary he made with his late brother, a Sikh preacher.

www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/s/9BerhNgEK5

There is an uptick in Sikh millitancy. That 2nd post mentions "Sikhs have every right to protest against gurdwaras allowing mixed faith marriages. Mosques, churches, synagogues etc don’t allow this yet you target Sikhs specifically for this. "

Interfaith weddings (esp if she is Sikh and he is not, particularly if He is Muslim) get picketed by activists if they're held in Gurdwaras over the use of the Anand Karaj ceremony being used

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/leamington-spa-temple-sikh-muslim-gurdwara-mixed-faith-marriage-protest-a7237071.html

Hundals brother was a a bit on the evangelical radical side and his followers loathe Sunny

Armed men occupy Leamington Spa temple in protest 'over marriage of Sikh and Muslim'

'There have been tensions that have been going on for a couple of years'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/leamington-spa-temple-sikh-muslim-gurdwara-mixed-faith-marriage-protest-a7237071.html

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 16:06

Lalgarh · 02/09/2025 13:39

There is an uptick in Sikh millitancy. That 2nd post mentions "Sikhs have every right to protest against gurdwaras allowing mixed faith marriages. Mosques, churches, synagogues etc don’t allow this yet you target Sikhs specifically for this. "

Interfaith weddings (esp if she is Sikh and he is not, particularly if He is Muslim) get picketed by activists if they're held in Gurdwaras over the use of the Anand Karaj ceremony being used

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/leamington-spa-temple-sikh-muslim-gurdwara-mixed-faith-marriage-protest-a7237071.html

Hundals brother was a a bit on the evangelical radical side and his followers loathe Sunny

Exactly.

I'm glad Sunny is standing up to this kind of stuff. It's a delicate situation and action needs to be taken both outside, but importantly,also from inside the community.

Side note : obvs that poster was wrong about interfaith marriages. C of E churches certainly allow them, though Catholic do not. So do Reform, Reconstructionist & some (but not many) Conservative synagogues. The Quran explicitly states that a Muslim man can marry a Christian or Jewish woman as they are 'People of the Book', and the marriage can take place in a mosque. Some mosques will perform interfaith marriages for Muslim women or to Hindus or Sikhs etc but this is much rarer. Unfairly, the Quran prohibits Muslim women from marrying non Muslims, though some Muslim women argue the theological basis for this is invalid.

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