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This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

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CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

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EmmyFr · 18/08/2025 10:59

TheLudditesWereRight · 18/08/2025 09:32

Doing it in an offputting communicative style is counter-productive.

It's not, though. It's really sad, and I mean it because I'm a gentle person, but because of the click bait media and social networks tough language is most likely to resonate (I said tough, not coarse) and that is hugely necessary when the other side are chanting "no debate" and forbidding to just talk about the issue. In addition, soft talk like "Hannah Mouncey laments "she" won't be able to play sports" make the vast majority of people not invested in the issue genuinely fail to see the problem: Mouncey is a male.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:02

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 10:40

Why on earth would I take a screen shot?!

So that you can demonstrate her ‘hatefulness’ to the world presumably. Especially as no one else has been able to prove even a smidgeon of ‘transphobia’.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:03

PestoHoliday · 18/08/2025 10:53

In fairness, @justteanbiscuits , you did make some pretty remarkable accusations about her. It's reasonable to ask for evidence that she did say horrible things.

Badger baiting Willoughby isn't the classiest move but god knows JKR has had provocation enough on that front. Given the awfulness she receives I figure she deserves a little fun exposing IW's nonsense to ridicule.

You said she criticised a friend of yours because she was told your friend was a transwoman holding a position for women. But deleted it when she found out the truth.

That's responsible, isn't it? To take a stand about the rights and positions of women being taken away, but more importantly to retract and delete any comments made from wrong information.

I said that yes, at least she deleted it. But it had already been read by millions of her followers. Just because a man had decided she didn't meet his level of attractiveness for a woman. She has so many followers she should not be sharing unverified information, including my friends full name. Can you imagine what happened to her teenager daughters at high school? She didn't care when she tweeted it - she didn't care enough to do a very basic check to see if the information was true.

I stated before I am not willing to share my own personal information on here, including my personal twitter account. In previous discussions I have offered to share information privately, but this private information was then shared in the public discussion (MN deleted it thankfully when I reported it).

I just find it very dull when people, because you're not saying what they want to hear, immediately jump to "you are lying".

For the record, I have done significant work, entirely in an unpaid capacity, around protecting women, though mainly in sport, ensuring that competition is kept fair. I also campaign for there to be adequate psychological support for young people questioning their gender, which I think is vitally important. There is, for example, a clear issue with autistic young people, and I think that there is an enormous lack of trained, meaningful psychological support for them to prevent them making awful, life changing mistakes.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:06

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MarieDeGournay · 18/08/2025 11:06

heroinechic · 18/08/2025 10:35

All I ever see of JKR is her getting into slanging matches on Twitter. The last thing I saw was her saying something about a back sack and crack wax to a trans woman. Unnecessarily personal IMO although I know India W is hardly a victim. I think things like that are beneath her and drag her down too.

I find the hero worship of her on here a bit cringe.

'All I ever see of JKR is her getting into slanging matches on Twitter''
Nuff said - if that's 'all you ever see of JKR', you obviously don't know very much about her.
There's a lot more to JKR than tweets, as you're probably learning from this thread.

I agree with you about hero worship, I hate it too. I prefer to base my admiration for people like JKR on something solid and verifiable, like the very solid foundation of ethics and courage and generosity that JKR has shown over the years.

I've heard she writes a good book, too, but I haven't read any of them so I'll have to trust the reviews and astronomical sales figuresSmile

viques · 18/08/2025 11:09

illinivich · 18/08/2025 10:19

Its obvious that JKR is skeptical about trans ideology. And that skepticism has either grown over time or shes more comfortable with expressing it.

People who are more supportive of trans, either completely or think its more nuanced, have to stop her talking and highlighting the madness.

Nobody cares where she spends her money, how she poses in photos or if she gets on with actors. Shes been rich for 25 years, and its only been since she spoke up about this that anyone has thought about any of these things.

Its that TRA know that if she tweets something, it gets a large audience and one they cant control. And trans isnt like any other issue that becomes more accepted more its debated. It cannot cope with the level of light JKR will bring to it.

“And trans isn’t like any other issue that becomes more accepted ( the) more it’s debated. It cannot cope with the level of light JKR will bring to it”

And there is the absolute truth of the matter. Once people realise that entitled and wicked people with their own negative agendas are calling for

healthy bodies to be mutilated,

children to be given life changing drugs and encouraged to undergo irreversible surgeries and modifications,

people medicated into a life of future health issues that are both painful and debilitating,

mentally ill children lied to and shamed about their sexuality,

people with sexual fetishes using trans ideology to promote their own perversions

it becomes very clear that, whatever the truth about body dysmorphia - which I believe probably is a very rare psychological condition- a deliberate and cynical group of people have lied and manipulated their well meaning but poorly informed followers into believing hype, poor science and lies.

Keep shining the light JKR.

InMyShowgirlEra · 18/08/2025 11:10

Catiette · 18/08/2025 10:19

But you didn't entirely answer - at the point I've reached in the thread, there are still few to no quotes. Eg. the racist stereotypes - please quote (not just character names, which I can guess at, but the actual words). Genuinely interested.

Cho Chang- (if you want to ignore the fact her name is racist we can do) but a sweet, intelligent Asian girl who cries all the time (we're clearly supposed to forget that her boyfriend just died and Harry jumped right on in there) and has no other character development.

Parvati Patil becomes absorbed by divination early on, seen even in the wizarding world as a nonsense and feeding into "mystical" Asian stereotypes, and Padma just disappears. In the books, they are at least "pretty", which seems to be the only descriptor they really get, but the film undoes that because no-one could be bothered to actually dress them properly and wanted to focus to stay on Hermione.

The Irish characters (Seamus Finnigan, but also Luna after the casting decision was made and signed off explicitly by JK)- one is an idiot who is always blowing something up, the other is a lovable eccentric who believes in a wide range of conspiracy theories and would be a tin-foil hat wearer in the muggle world.

There are very few characters explicitly identified as black in the books but we do have Dean Thomas who JK has said was black although he isn't defined as such in the UK version, which is a problem in itself. He's not too bright, always in trouble and hangs out with Seamus. His Dad left him.

And Kingsley Shacklebolt...do I really need to go into why that's problematic?

Fleur is hyper-sexualised and extremely passionate.

Lavender Brown was black in the film until the filmmakers realised she had some lines, then she was recast as white!

Don't get me started on the hook-nosed, money-obsessed goblins.

As an aside, JK Rowling has explicitly confirmed that lycanthropy was a metaphor for HIV/AIDS. Apparently, likening AIDS sufferers to people who turn into uncontrollable werewolves who attack people in the night was meant to REDUCE stigma.

And finally, if you ask me a question I will answer it but if you're replying to my posts just to insult me, then you are wasting your time as I won't respond to it.

NotAtMyAge · 18/08/2025 11:10

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:45

Yet she spends all her time on social media dividing society 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s clear this thread wasn’t started in good faith asking for actual contributions, so I’m out

She's a writer with a new book coming out at the beginning of next month. Difficult to achieve that if she's spending all her time on social media. Yes, she posts most days on X, but not very much in real terms. However, what she does post has great impact.

goldtrap · 18/08/2025 11:13

CurlewKate · 18/08/2025 05:44

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

I hate when she ends a dramatic situation in HP with...'everything went black and then he woke up in the hospital wing'. It's soooo lazy. (I can't quote specifically but it's basically in every book. Whenever HP gets into a situation with Voldemort/deatheater/triwizard/bludger etc, you'll find it).

Also, (and this is a hill I'm almost prepared to die on) - Quidditch makes NO SENSE. You go to all the effort with the bludgers etc and then the opposing team just have to get the Golden Snitch and suddenly it's game over. So what's the point of all the Quaffles? None! It's so stupid. And even more stupid is all the uni students playing it on broomsticks on foot, (like the hobbyhorse olympics).
At least with JK being cancelled by the younger generation, they are less inclined to participate in the ridiculous charade.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:19

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Given that I’m not on X I wouldn’t be retweeting anything about anyone.

I find it interesting that because I asked you for proof of something that you have declared to be true, that your response is to become abusive and have assigned actions to me that are, quite frankly, bizarre. I make my decisions on any given subject based on facts. You declared something that you insisted was factual, I asked you to provide proof and you respond in this manner. I can only assume you are so angry because you have no proof of anything.

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 11:20

InMyShowgirlEra · 18/08/2025 11:10

Cho Chang- (if you want to ignore the fact her name is racist we can do) but a sweet, intelligent Asian girl who cries all the time (we're clearly supposed to forget that her boyfriend just died and Harry jumped right on in there) and has no other character development.

Parvati Patil becomes absorbed by divination early on, seen even in the wizarding world as a nonsense and feeding into "mystical" Asian stereotypes, and Padma just disappears. In the books, they are at least "pretty", which seems to be the only descriptor they really get, but the film undoes that because no-one could be bothered to actually dress them properly and wanted to focus to stay on Hermione.

The Irish characters (Seamus Finnigan, but also Luna after the casting decision was made and signed off explicitly by JK)- one is an idiot who is always blowing something up, the other is a lovable eccentric who believes in a wide range of conspiracy theories and would be a tin-foil hat wearer in the muggle world.

There are very few characters explicitly identified as black in the books but we do have Dean Thomas who JK has said was black although he isn't defined as such in the UK version, which is a problem in itself. He's not too bright, always in trouble and hangs out with Seamus. His Dad left him.

And Kingsley Shacklebolt...do I really need to go into why that's problematic?

Fleur is hyper-sexualised and extremely passionate.

Lavender Brown was black in the film until the filmmakers realised she had some lines, then she was recast as white!

Don't get me started on the hook-nosed, money-obsessed goblins.

As an aside, JK Rowling has explicitly confirmed that lycanthropy was a metaphor for HIV/AIDS. Apparently, likening AIDS sufferers to people who turn into uncontrollable werewolves who attack people in the night was meant to REDUCE stigma.

And finally, if you ask me a question I will answer it but if you're replying to my posts just to insult me, then you are wasting your time as I won't respond to it.

That's a lot of barrel-scraping. I do wonder if anyone was complaining about any of this before JKR made her views known on transgenderism.

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 11:27

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:45

Yet she spends all her time on social media dividing society 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s clear this thread wasn’t started in good faith asking for actual contributions, so I’m out

The issue of whether men become woman simply by saying so would continue to be deeply divisive with or without JKR speaking out.

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 18/08/2025 11:27

eatfigs · 18/08/2025 11:20

That's a lot of barrel-scraping. I do wonder if anyone was complaining about any of this before JKR made her views known on transgenderism.

Not to mention that Seamus blowing things up was a movie invention. It doesn't happen in the books.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:29

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:19

Given that I’m not on X I wouldn’t be retweeting anything about anyone.

I find it interesting that because I asked you for proof of something that you have declared to be true, that your response is to become abusive and have assigned actions to me that are, quite frankly, bizarre. I make my decisions on any given subject based on facts. You declared something that you insisted was factual, I asked you to provide proof and you respond in this manner. I can only assume you are so angry because you have no proof of anything.

You didn't respond simply asking for links though did you? "OK Jan.." is not asking nicely for links. To me it shows someone who would revel in the distress of others.

Do you agree that that sort of behaviour is disgusting? Do you believe it shows that it's not actually all women she wants to protect, but only certain women who match her tick list of traits she will support?

porridgecake · 18/08/2025 11:29

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 10:15

He did not selflessly give it all up!! He is a disturbed man who now can't back down. His family chose to leave him due to his views being so extreme - he didn't "give them up". He didn't "give up work", he lost work due to the cruelty he espouses.

He left because his wife and children were being harassed, stalked and threatened by TRAs.

Gofaster2023 · 18/08/2025 11:30

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw

I swear I don't do it often! Im a very good maker of tea usually!

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:32

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:19

Given that I’m not on X I wouldn’t be retweeting anything about anyone.

I find it interesting that because I asked you for proof of something that you have declared to be true, that your response is to become abusive and have assigned actions to me that are, quite frankly, bizarre. I make my decisions on any given subject based on facts. You declared something that you insisted was factual, I asked you to provide proof and you respond in this manner. I can only assume you are so angry because you have no proof of anything.

And yes, I am angry, because a group of adults tried to ruin the life of someone who is a very good friend. A group of adults caused pain to her family and led to her children being bullied because of their lies.

I am quite sure you would be angry if the same happened to one of your friends.

But, at the end of the day, you can choose not to believe me. That doesn't change anything. But I also don't trust you with my personal information.

ApolloandDaphne · 18/08/2025 11:32

Viviennemary · 18/08/2025 08:32

I will bite. I dont like her because she comes across as she thinks her opinions are worth more because she is rich and a successful author. Compare her tosomebody like Val Mcdermid who comes over as a really down to earth and nice person. . That hasn't got an inflated ego because of success.

I met Val McDermid and she came across as a pretentious twat. She likes to pretend she is a down to earth Fifer but really she is as middle class as they come.

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:33

porridgecake · 18/08/2025 11:29

He left because his wife and children were being harassed, stalked and threatened by TRAs.

That is rubbish. His wife and children left him. They have spoken about the pain he caused them and why his children are virtually no contact with him now.

takealettermsjones · 18/08/2025 11:35

InMyShowgirlEra · 18/08/2025 11:10

Cho Chang- (if you want to ignore the fact her name is racist we can do) but a sweet, intelligent Asian girl who cries all the time (we're clearly supposed to forget that her boyfriend just died and Harry jumped right on in there) and has no other character development.

Parvati Patil becomes absorbed by divination early on, seen even in the wizarding world as a nonsense and feeding into "mystical" Asian stereotypes, and Padma just disappears. In the books, they are at least "pretty", which seems to be the only descriptor they really get, but the film undoes that because no-one could be bothered to actually dress them properly and wanted to focus to stay on Hermione.

The Irish characters (Seamus Finnigan, but also Luna after the casting decision was made and signed off explicitly by JK)- one is an idiot who is always blowing something up, the other is a lovable eccentric who believes in a wide range of conspiracy theories and would be a tin-foil hat wearer in the muggle world.

There are very few characters explicitly identified as black in the books but we do have Dean Thomas who JK has said was black although he isn't defined as such in the UK version, which is a problem in itself. He's not too bright, always in trouble and hangs out with Seamus. His Dad left him.

And Kingsley Shacklebolt...do I really need to go into why that's problematic?

Fleur is hyper-sexualised and extremely passionate.

Lavender Brown was black in the film until the filmmakers realised she had some lines, then she was recast as white!

Don't get me started on the hook-nosed, money-obsessed goblins.

As an aside, JK Rowling has explicitly confirmed that lycanthropy was a metaphor for HIV/AIDS. Apparently, likening AIDS sufferers to people who turn into uncontrollable werewolves who attack people in the night was meant to REDUCE stigma.

And finally, if you ask me a question I will answer it but if you're replying to my posts just to insult me, then you are wasting your time as I won't respond to it.

This is quite the collection of deliberate spins. You should work in PR.

Menier · 18/08/2025 11:36

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Oh the irony

anytipswelcome · 18/08/2025 11:40

@ThatCyanSheep

JK Rowling is the 20th most generous charity donor in the whole of the UK according to the Sunday Times Giving List 2025. She has donated more than £200 million to charity.

One of her key focuses is a charity she founded, created to support disadvantaged children. To suggest she hasn’t done anything to help children in poverty is utterly ridiculous.

It wouldn’t have taken much (when people pointed out you were so very wrong) to say ah I didn’t realise that, and acknowledge that she’s done a huge amount on that front, rather than flouncing.

PistachioTiramisuLimoncello · 18/08/2025 11:40

ThatCyanSheep · 18/08/2025 08:28

I don’t think she’s as awful as a lot of people seem to.

I just think it’s kind of sad. She has so much money, and she spends all her time on such a minuscule issue compared to what the country is facing. She could do so much good for the nation, and she won’t.

Yeah rights for 51% of the population - minuscule! 🙄

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:41

justteanbiscuits · 18/08/2025 11:29

You didn't respond simply asking for links though did you? "OK Jan.." is not asking nicely for links. To me it shows someone who would revel in the distress of others.

Do you agree that that sort of behaviour is disgusting? Do you believe it shows that it's not actually all women she wants to protect, but only certain women who match her tick list of traits she will support?

You had responded twice with prevarications as to why you wouldn’t provide proof, which in my experience is how people behave when they have no evidence. It was a funny GIF, saying it caused you ‘distress’ is slightly hyperbolic.

Again, I can’t comment on whether JKR’s behaviour was ‘disgusting’ because you haven’t provided the evidence that you claim exists. When you say all women, do you include TW in that? Because if you do then I’m firmly with JKR that TW are men, and should be treated as such and refused entry to the SSS of women. People can’t change sex, it’s binary and immutable. No doubt I’m also ‘disgusting’ for stating such heresy in your eyes but I think I can live with it.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/08/2025 11:43

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/08/2025 11:02

So that you can demonstrate her ‘hatefulness’ to the world presumably. Especially as no one else has been able to prove even a smidgeon of ‘transphobia’.

This. Basically pics or it didn't happen.