This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

[CurlewKate]

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

Really? Are you tracking the amount of time she is on social media? She finds rather a lot of time to devote to her vast philanthropic efforts so I’m not sure you are quite right on her time management.

What do you mean by ‘dividing society’? Don’t you think the trans activists did that when they unilaterally decided to obliterate the legal definition of literally half of society? That’s pretty decisive imo.

You’re just wanting to shout the messenger highlighting the issue.

Asking factually what you think someone has done wrong is absolutely not an invitation to abuse someone.

But the assumption signals everything that is wrong about debate / misinformation/ polarised division on SM / the weaponisation of identity politics etc.

MN is supposedly a mature discussion site of / for women (and other parents) responsible enough to care for small children , and some Pp have given calm informative answers from their own POV.

Let’s hope this continues.

It was all around 2 years ago. It's all on twitter so feel free to find it. But no, I am not posting links to my personal twitter on here, and I don't have time to trawl through a few years of tweets from very very tweety people.

JKR was one of many who jumped on the bandwagon of doxing a close friend of mine as she had previously held a job they didn't agree with (literally just an E&D role in a charity where she had been in post when they released a pride flag badge, that is all). JKR at least had the guts to delete her posts when told the information she had was 100% incorrect (that my friend was a trans woman, not born a woman. Apparently pregnancy and child birth weren't enough for others to withdraw their tweets and videos). Others didn't, even when it led to friends children being bullied.

She's right. They can't.

Your TLDR was the only part of your post that was accurate.

By the way, Maya Forstater won her case and the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre lost theirs.

I'm one of the probably very few people on here who has never read a single word of JKR's fiction. All I know of her is her pro-women activism, her philanthropy, and those very very witty tweets
That's enough to make me think that she is an admirable person, a tireless defender of the undefended, and someone who has made a huge contribution to social justice when it was/is under threat.

I have to take issue with your description of her review of NS's Frankly as 'personal and vicious.'
I thought the reviews by JKR and K. Stock were careful to avoid being personal and vicious, though the temptation - and the ammunition provided by material in NS's book - must have been strong. I'm sure they knew their reviews would be scrutinised closely for anything personal or below the belt.

The reviews were about what NS has said in her book, and how it is at odds with what NS did in her public life. Not, note, her personal life. Her public, political life, which was extraordinary, and extraordinarily damaging to women's rights, so hard-hitting criticism, including from JKR is just par for the course.

Hard-hitting, fact-based criticism of an apologia about a politician's controversial and ultimately failed career is not the same a personal and vicious attack, and I don't think it is correct to describe JKR's review as such.

Oh my goodness, do you have any idea? According to Forbes, she's thought to have donated $200 million to charities between 2005-2025! Please, google 'JK Rowling philanthropy' before spouting such nonsense again.

I think this is an interesting question actually. I worked with and know people who thought that what she said was absolutely vile and abhorrent (even her first long essay on the subject which seemed to me very tolerant and kind). I don't understand how this is the case. And no one has managed to explain to me why what she said is so vile.

Her retorts to awful things like rape threats aren’t problematic in the slightest. Have a ‘HtH’ back.

All I ever see of JKR is her getting into slanging matches on Twitter. The last thing I saw was her saying something about a back sack and crack wax to a trans woman. Unnecessarily personal IMO although I know India W is hardly a victim. I think things like that are beneath her and drag her down too.

I find the hero worship of her on here a bit cringe.

‘When I asked her, straight out, if she supported all women what ever their POV on the trans issue, she said no, she only supports the women who agree with her. Which is her right, but she says it so nastily.’

It would be lovely to see the proof of that, as surely if someone like her interacted with you you would take a screenshot. Because if not, it’s just hearsay.

Sure Jan.

Why on earth would I take a screen shot?!

That post was an attempt to answer @CurlewKate 's (implied) question: what did she do and say, and what do TRAs think about it?

I think @Imnotgonnamiss nailed it with:

Some people believe trans women are women and transmen are men. Either because they believe people can change sex, which isn’t really the case based on a typical understanding of what sex is &/OR because they believe gender is the defining characteristic and sex is secondary.

In other words, she is hateful because she is a non-believer.

I have trans friends who firmly believe in the hate, but won't even read her words. Because they know, on some level, that they are imposing a metaphysical belief on society.

Excellent. "That didn't didn't happen waah waah waah".

Come up with a better discussion point than "I don't want to believe you so you are lying". It is dull, and shows what an ignorant person you are.

You are the sort of person who would probably gleefully jump on a bandwagon of supposedly outing someone as trans (again, she is not trans) and trying to wreck their family lives as she once had a job you didn't approve of. It is people like you who utterly disgust me.

😂😂

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She should probably have posted a photo of herself doing something more womanly, like knitting or wearing a pinny whilst preparing her hard working hubby’s dinner, would that make you feel better?

Ahh I see. The sarcasm went over my head!

Knitting? Knitting is too good for her! Knitting is for real women, like Jane Fae.

By the way, it might interest some people on this thread to know that there is currently £1m in reward money up for grabs for the person who can find something JK Rowling has actually said which is transphobic. It's been unclaimed for a surprisingly long time.

I am sure that if JKR thought India needed advice on being a woman, say on cervical health, she would offer it willingly.

“But aware of how kneejerk sympathies are”…

This I think is a significant factor in the ongoing trans identification of young autistic people searching for an identity. Kneejerk sympathy can be understood as affirmation in this cohort and anyone who gives a thoughtful response or digs a bit deeper is seen as GC and ‘on the wrong side of history’.
Imagine if you have been bullied all your life for being different (autistic) and suddenly everybody is sympathetic and kind to you when you identify as trans then of course you are going to hang on to that trans identity and to hell with the long-term consequences of your decisions because it’s better to have found acceptance than to continue to struggle.
Sorry OP, I appreciate this is not the subject of your post but I think it is an important point to raise and although JKR is mostly coming at it from a feminist point of view, she does also consider the harmful impact on young autistic people which is more than most.

In fairness, @justteanbiscuits , you did make some pretty remarkable accusations about her. It's reasonable to ask for evidence that she did say horrible things.

Badger baiting Willoughby isn't the classiest move but god knows JKR has had provocation enough on that front. Given the awfulness she receives I figure she deserves a little fun exposing IW's nonsense to ridicule.

You said she criticised a friend of yours because she was told your friend was a transwoman holding a position for women. But deleted it when she found out the truth.

That's responsible, isn't it? To take a stand about the rights and positions of women being taken away, but more importantly to retract and delete any comments made from wrong information.

Being asked to provide proof for statements you make is perfectly logical and reasonable. People make up all sorts of things on SM, are you unaware of that? Do you believe everything you read on SM? It would seem that you do if your views on JKR are anything to go by.

If I told you I was the Prime Minister would you believe me? Because there’s actually no objective way for you to prove that I’m not. Given that presumably you don’t have daily conversations with her, you could easily prove what you’re saying about JKR yet you choose not to do so. So excuse me if I choose to draw my own conclusions from that.

Your last paragraph makes absolutely no sense so I’m unable to comment on that.

Is that really true? That’s so interesting