This thread is specifically for people who think JK Rowling is awful so..

[CurlewKate]

If you don't think she is please don’t post. Please can you tell me specifically what she has said or done that is so bad. I promise that I will listen and not argue. If you could include links that would be great. If your inclination is to assume that I’m posting in bad faith and any reasonably well informed person must be stupid or bigoted not to know, then please just let the thread die.

I think that to some people, they think the JK Rowling is sitting there responding to every abusive post she gets.

No. She isn't.

If you actually take the time to check, you will see she responds to abusive posts that are from male people who have influence on policy or who have been relentless in their abuse of her.

She also will highlight situations that she believes needs to be discussed. Considering the current pervasive issues that we have with the BBC, she also will highlight issues in how issues and incidents are reported.

I think people wish to see what they hold a prejudice to expect to see and perhaps the issue is theirs and not JK Rowling's.

It’s coming up to years now, both on here and the rare times now in real life thankfully that anyone calls her a big transphobe, where I’ve asked for evidence of any transphobia and I’ve yet to get any.

Yes, I'd be interested to see all this proof too please.

I'll even hold my breath whilst I wait, because surely anyone who confidently makes this claim won't take long to deliver the proof.

I reiterate she’s not his Mum. She’s under no obligation to acknowledge him, or anybody else.

My toes have just turned inside out for you.

Why has this thread been hived off into Feminism: S&G? It started in Chat (? I think).

It is about one high-profile person, and addresses different areas. Much of the discussion has been about charity work including donations to medical research.

Are we not allowed to discuss anything on the 'main' boards.

No, because he selflessly gave up everything he had - his career and family, to allow himself more time on X to fight this evil ideology.

She can’t win. As a PP said, she tried ignoring them so they spammed her feed with porn. Now, according to some, she’s not responding to them in the right way.

Personally, I’m in the “when they go low, go lower” camp. In my experience, the high road isn’t all it’s it’s cracked up to be when it comes to certain behaviours.

All you have to do is look on the internet, you can then make your own mind up. Look at her X account, or read articles she publishes in papers or response to people

she had done nothing bad shes fighting for safe places for women

I'm also a bit agog at the amount of posters who seem to think it's their right to decide what she uses her platform/spends her money on.

Richard Branson, Bill Gates and Sir Tom Hunter do loads for charity and good causes but I don't see anyone policing their efforts.

Both are problematic. HtH

It was in reference to this, in case that helps give context to it.

I think it’s a great photo, personally, but each to their own.

I think this is the root of the issue.

Some people believe trans women are women and transmen are men. Either because they believe people can change sex, which isn’t really the case based on a typical understanding of what sex is &/OR because they believe gender is the defining characteristic and sex is secondary.

Other people think that statement is nonsensical as they believe sex is immutable, which is the case based on a typical understanding of what sex is &/or that sex is the defining characteristic and gender is secondary.

My general impression is Rowling’s initial support for Maya Forstarter and comment about menstruation was mainly a reaction to misogyny. I’m yet to see the term men replaced with people who ejaculate or people with a penis. It’s only natal women whose terminology gets messed with. Also it’s about the fact that for a lot of women gender norms are something that feels imposed and restrictive vs a defining characteristic of their womanhood so making gender the important thing vs sex can feel oppressive.

After those initial posts she got such a lot of truly horrendous responses from some trans people it really entrenched any negative stereotype about trans women. At this point she probably is transphobic in the truest sense of the word because who wouldn’t be afraid of trans women generally after the responses she’s had. She’s then seen it as her duty to protect other women and it’s become a bit of a crusade.

I understand why people feel hurt by her comments and I don’t think they are very helpful because the recent ones in particular feel combative and very dismissive of trans identities. In general with the debate the firmly entrenched views get shouted about a lot and most people in reality are more moderate. We should however be able to have a debate about the intersection between sex and gender and when sex is actually the most important characteristic and we should be able to draw some lines to say some things it’s more reasonable to categorise by sex. To
me personally things like toilets and changing rooms are very unworkable so you may need to look at other creative solutions but things like shelters, rape crisis centres and prisons where you have very vulnerable women it really does matter that those spaces can be retained as single sex.

@Vaxtable she had done nothing bad shes fighting for safe places for women

That is a bad thing to do in some people's eyes.

When I asked her, straight out, if she supported all women what ever their POV on the trans issue, she said no, she only supports the women who agree with her. Which is her right, but she says it so nastily.

Can you post a link to this discussion?

I think it is her use of such cruel language that gets peoples backs up and upsets them. And her support for Kelly Jay Keane who is truly an awful horrible person - she has said she will flatten women who don't agree with her.

Link?

He did not selflessly give it all up!! He is a disturbed man who now can't back down. His family chose to leave him due to his views being so extreme - he didn't "give them up". He didn't "give up work", he lost work due to the cruelty he espouses.

What I read here is a load of ‘she should just stfu’. Interesting. Same old misogyny. Woman speaks up for truth and justice but because she doesn’t know her place and upsets men she is the one that gets burned at the stake. It’s like those backward cultures that punish women for male crimes. Depressing.

Why are TRAs so hellbent on proving she's a bad writer? Maybe she's not a literary giant, but the Harry Potter books were a genuine spontaneous success. And, you do know that evil people can be creative geniuses, right? And there's no correlation between virtue and worldly success, rather famously.

Wait....I know! She's sold her soul to the Devil, hasn't she?

Check out her charitable work. She's given millions to improve children's literacy and support victims of sexual abuse.

That's as maybe, but unless she asked him to do that I don't see why JKR should take any flack for it.

I guess we go back to the idea that JK is not seen to be “inclusive”
My 24 year old niece who lives in another continent, said to me last year whilst visiting, and knowing I am left of centre “well, obviously we don’t like JK any more” thinking I would agree.
When I said that I actually disagreed and asked whether she (my niece) had actually read what JK had written, she admitted she hadn’t.
So if you are truly asking why? Why, people “don’t like” her? I would suggest that in certain parts of society, and (although I do hate to say this) in certain age groups, believing and promoting inclusivity for all, comes at the detriment of outliers/truth tellers.

But you didn't entirely answer - at the point I've reached in the thread, there are still few to no quotes. Eg. the racist stereotypes - please quote (not just character names, which I can guess at, but the actual words). Genuinely interested.

Its obvious that JKR is skeptical about trans ideology. And that skepticism has either grown over time or shes more comfortable with expressing it.

People who are more supportive of trans, either completely or think its more nuanced, have to stop her talking and highlighting the madness.

Nobody cares where she spends her money, how she poses in photos or if she gets on with actors. Shes been rich for 25 years, and its only been since she spoke up about this that anyone has thought about any of these things.

Its that TRA know that if she tweets something, it gets a large audience and one they cant control. And trans isnt like any other issue that becomes more accepted more its debated. It cannot cope with the level of light JKR will bring to it.

She's donated over £250 million to various charitable causes, she funds research into motor neurone disease, she set up a charity to end the institutionalisation of children, she set up and solely funds the only female only rape crisis service in Scotland. How is that not helping people???

Yawn 🥱

A typical TRA response, real women respect him greatly and are thankful for everything he has done for this movement at huge personal cost to himself.