some parallels

[Manfreglory]

I've been teasing out this idea, that transphobia and xenophobia have much in common.

• both rest on 'you're not from here; your culture is different; you can't know what it is to have grown up 'over here'/had period pains/gone through labour.

• both reject difference or change in favour of sameness or stasis. 'You look and talk and think differently/you underwent a journey to get here/I can't fully relate to you'.

• both rest not just on culture but on biology: 'Your genes are different than mine/your genotype for phenotype A, B or C aren't identical to mine'.

• both are territorial: 'i sweated blood as a member of this sex/to make it in this society - who are you to come here and demand a seat at the table'?

• both are suspicious of the reasons for transformation. 'You just want the perks of being female; you just want to look up our skirts in the toilet; you just migrated here from Guatemala for financial stability.'

• both demonize, aggressively overstating the chance that the person has or will commit a crime. (Migrants: no need to give examples, just read the news. Trans people: 'you just want access to 'our spaces'' (i.e. the spaces where women/cis women enjoy their privacy from all men, cis or trans) so you can assault us'.

• both minimize or even deny, the need for the transition: 'No child is born trans/those parents were homophobic as the kid was just gay/trans women are men with their dicks lopped off/people should stay in their home country and migration is too dangerous'.

• both hysterically fear that the trans person/migrant will corrupt innocents: 'they will indoctrinate children in school/they will spread religious fundamentalism'.

Gender critical women: ask yourself if you've been radicalized into the new right.

It is one of the most brutal surgeries that come under the 'gender' category.

I believe it is a grouping of four or so surgeries to get there. And then there are all too often remedial surgeries after.

It is still not a male sex organ that has been added to that female body though. And it doesn't make that female person a male person at all.

"... someone who has pubic hair ..."! Does it come as a shock to you that both men and women naturally have pubic hair from puberty?

Because female anatomy is amazing in its own right, sometimes I think we miss out on what an amazing organ the penis is.

It really isn't doing a favour to young trans-identified females to let them believe that they can have something that approximates an actual penis.

I agree. Also look at the YouGov polls. Numbers okay with transwomen using women's loos are much higher than if specified transwomen with penises should use women's loos.

This apparent contradiction is suggestive still many are unaware most trans women still have penises, and/or haven't thought about the wider issues of loo assignment based on surgery or not.

Interestingly they are asked if they know a transgender person and those who do are much more likely to approve of trans choice. I suspect they feel fine with the person they know using opposite sex facilities.

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

um, not the exact point I was attempting to make but I'll take the note.

I’m still confused by how @Manfreglory thinks a female can father a baby. They really are not sending the best and brightest these days.

And if there’s real sexual attraction there, one’s partner’s penis is a lovely thing in itself.

OMG with the penises and toilets again. If you took your mind off penises and toilets you might actually have some useful thoughts about the actual problems afflicting 2025.

You understand that a penis can be used as a weapon, yes?

So if it’s not a big deal where trans identifier males pee or change, they can use the men’s then. Like the other men do.

No one really gave them much thought (outside normal sexual activity with regard to penises) until transwomen of all varieties, including the fetishists and sex offenders, started invading the ladies’ loos.

I'm sure that threads of this type are placed here to waste people's time, so they can't go out and indulge in any useful gender-critical activities.

Well, I've put in enough time to say this, but now I'm off.

Anyway the FWS decision by the Supreme Court has sorted out the question of single-sex spaces. In the eyes of the law, "trans women" are men in pretty much every regard.

Do you say this to male people who demand to access female toilets? Or just the women who disagree that those male people should access any female single sex provision?

@Manfreglory - OMG with the penises and toilets again. If you took your mind off penises and toilets you might actually have some useful thoughts about the actual problems afflicting 2025.

Are you suggesting that the fact that men commit 98% of sexual offences, and the impossibility of telling which men would not commit such and offence, plus the fact that a higher proportion of trans-identified men are in prison for sexual offences compared with non-trans-identified male prisoners is not a reason for women to be wary about being in a space where they are vulnerable and need to preserve privacy and dignity?

Yes with the penises AGAIN. Because they tend to be attached to men (apart from Mr Bobbit). Women don't have penises, and please don't start with but but but transmen again.

The transwomen who keep trying to get into women only spaces, toilets being the most frequently used of these, tends to retain their penis. Which is why a lot of women don't want those men in women only spaces.

And until man stop raping women with their very male penises men, however they would describe themselves need to stay the fuck out of women only spaces.

It's you that wants to make a distinction.

Here is a question for you @Manfreglory .

What exactly changes in a male person that you believe removes them from being at the very same risk as all other male people from committing a sex or violent crime against a female person?

To be clear. What process do they go through and what are the specific changes, in your opinion, where a group of male people with transgender identities have the same level of committing sex or violent crimes against a female person as another female person?

Please be very specific here.

If possible, please provide evidence that this process works.

And by the way, this is only addressing the safety element that is a significant issue that male people present in female single sex spaces. It doesn't address any other issue that their presence creates.

Here is another question for you @Manfreglory

What other group with a philosophical belief that is not based in material reality has society been emotionally manipulated into acting as if they comply with?

And by this, I don't mean support those people to have that belief. I mean that society is actively being pressured through activism to act as if that group's belief is materially real.

And again, those people will be materially real, they do exist as people. I am very specifically talking about their belief about their own identity.

Please list other groups who have convinced society that their belief is based in material reality and people should therefore act as if that belief is indeed a scientific and well proven fact.

OP discussed them when they weaponised female people who have surgically attached tubes to their groin and what toilets they should use!

Why can OP discuss them and others are worthy of an aggressive reaction if they discuss them?

I am merely saying this for the readers at this time, because the OP simply is ignoring post upon post on this thread to continue to show how prejudiced they are.

What other group with a philosophical belief that is not based in material reality has society been emotionally manipulated into acting as if they comply with?

The Catholic Church. E pur si muove.

At this point in time I would say the Catholic church is less of a danger to children than the TQ+ lobby though.

You were the one who started talking about penises aka male sex organs.

Nobody else until you insisted.

And yet, I don’t feel and have never felt that I have to comply with the Catholic doctrine.

What do you think we all have Freudian penis envy or something? 😂

I don't see anything wrong with mentioning penises when it's relevant. It is a body part.