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National Library of Scotland censors The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht

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OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2025 23:46

Took it out of their centenary exhibition because the staff LGBT+ network kicked up a fuss. Craven. This really needs massive public challenge and push back - if the National Library isn't able to fend off the censors we are utterly lost. https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

https://x.com/EthelWrites/status/1955390550494023958

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Igneococcus · 18/08/2025 21:17

Angus Robertson, alleged Culture Secretary.
Grin
I have to admit that I had no idea who is culture secretary and I'm fairly interested in the arts and culture.

INeedAPensieve · 18/08/2025 21:59

ArabellaScott · 18/08/2025 20:37

I swear when I see the word 'inclusive' these days, I shrink in my skin.

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery.

Exclusion is Inclusion.

Yeah me too I'm automatically suspicious and think, hmm, what do you really mean?

BunfightBetty · 19/08/2025 00:29

INeedAPensieve · 18/08/2025 21:59

Yeah me too I'm automatically suspicious and think, hmm, what do you really mean?

Me too, I actually wince/brace in my body when I come across it. Because what it usually means these days is somebody being in a space or offering they shouldn’t be in, where their presence will cause harm to those who the provision should be for. Some of whom will be forced into self-excluding as a result. .

It never ever seems to be about making sure those with disabilities can be included, or making provision for those who are economically disadvantaged, for example.

BeLemonNow · 19/08/2025 00:37

Does the National Library of Scotland actually know the Scots word "wheesht"?

Perhaps after they've looked that up they could check the definition of "irony".

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 08:38

Igneococcus · 18/08/2025 21:17

Angus Robertson, alleged Culture Secretary.
Grin
I have to admit that I had no idea who is culture secretary and I'm fairly interested in the arts and culture.

To be fair, I googled. He trained as a journalist and worked in Vienna. And he's written two books, - 'Why Vote SNP?' and a book on Vienna. Apparently he likes Metallica.

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 08:40

BunfightBetty · 19/08/2025 00:29

Me too, I actually wince/brace in my body when I come across it. Because what it usually means these days is somebody being in a space or offering they shouldn’t be in, where their presence will cause harm to those who the provision should be for. Some of whom will be forced into self-excluding as a result. .

It never ever seems to be about making sure those with disabilities can be included, or making provision for those who are economically disadvantaged, for example.

To me it means exclusion of anyone who doesn't share a set of prescribed beliefs. It means policing thought and expression, demanding fealty, and forbidding questioning or dissent. It means inclusion of those willing to submit and active exclusion of everyone else.

BunfightBetty · 19/08/2025 10:43

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 08:40

To me it means exclusion of anyone who doesn't share a set of prescribed beliefs. It means policing thought and expression, demanding fealty, and forbidding questioning or dissent. It means inclusion of those willing to submit and active exclusion of everyone else.

Absolutely. It’s particularly pernicious in the way it’s dressed up as something forward-thinking, compassionate and fair. When in reality it’s the exact opposite.

OhBuggerandArse · 19/08/2025 11:59

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Any news, @VoleForceOne? It seems beyond belief that there've been no responses yet (to outcry or letters), but, well, you know....

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ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 08:40

To me it means exclusion of anyone who doesn't share a set of prescribed beliefs. It means policing thought and expression, demanding fealty, and forbidding questioning or dissent. It means inclusion of those willing to submit and active exclusion of everyone else.

Great description ArabellaScott! I feel like printing this out!

Boiledbeetle · 19/08/2025 18:31

MarieDeGournay · 17/08/2025 15:24

That is such a great idea! It should attract a wide range of people, because it's not just us rights-hoarding dinosaurs who are alarmed by this censorship [TRAs may indulge in semantics, but that's what it boils down to].

edited to say: replying to the suggestion of a read-in.
further edited to say to porridgecake that I wasn't suggesting that her dog rolling in fox poo would attract a wide range of people😂

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dung beetle ball GIF

Bugger! So I rolled this for nothing!

VoleForceOne · 19/08/2025 20:44

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INeedAPensieve · 19/08/2025 21:10

Ooft @VoleForceOne so it's a case of just digging their heels in and (pun intended), not reading the room?

Wonder how that'll work out for them...

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2025 21:17

They are hoping it'll blow over and it'll be forgotten in a couple of weeks.

I have my doubts about this strategy.

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 21:21

Have teh FOIs been put into a newspaper article, yet? They are utterly damning, and need to be widely read.

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 21:23

The Scottish Parliament is in recess until 31 August. I'm sure that will be time enough for it all to blow over, the fuss to die down, and women to give up and meekly agree to surrender their rights to be listened to.

borntobequiet · 19/08/2025 21:23

Which is worse, the NLS or NHS Fife? Probably the latter, but the Library putting up a good showing.

JanesLittleGirl · 19/08/2025 21:25

I'm struggling to understand the strategic thinking that led the NLS to decide that silencing THE WOMEN WHO WOULDN'T WHEESHT was a good idea.

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 21:31

borntobequiet · 19/08/2025 21:23

Which is worse, the NLS or NHS Fife? Probably the latter, but the Library putting up a good showing.

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A library gaslighting readers over censoring a book.

A hospital gaslighting staff and patients over a man using women's facilities.

The personal impact of a man invading women's spaces is grave. Potentially treating patients who've requested a female. That's our National Health Service treating women with contempt, and enabling abuse.

Our National Library deliberately excluding and censoring a book because some staff object to the book's contents ...

Yeah, one can't choose. It's authoritarian, mendacious, abusive, subersive. It undermines faith in our institutions and systems. Both are serious and egregious breaches of the duties of each respective institution.

These are the things that chip, chip, chip away at a nation. The silencing, the chilling, the blithe disregard, the self satisfied refusal to even engage. The arrogance.

The NLS is overseen by Scottish Ministers, and the Board.

'National Library of Scotland Board meetings are held quarterly, in the last week of March, June, September and November.'

(Although if I were on that board, I'd be calling an EGM.)

Ultimately, this comes down to the government, and at some point, the people of Scotland will need to ask what our government is doing to protect our institutions, the interests of citizens, and public trust.

https://www.nls.uk/about-us/who-and-what/leadership-and-governance/board/board-members/

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 21:32

'Hunter Blackburn and Dalgety have also written to Angus Robertson, the SNP culture secretary, calling on him to take a firmer stance on defending freedom of speech and to reassure publicly funded cultural bodies that grants would not be at risk if they rejected censorship demands.
Robertson has said he is a “strong supporter” of freedom of speech but has declined to comment directly on the row over the book, despite the national library being reliant on the Scottish government for the vast majority of its annual funding.'

He can't just fucking 'decline to comment'. Commenting is his job.

DuesToTheDirt · 19/08/2025 21:44

BeLemonNow · 19/08/2025 00:37

Does the National Library of Scotland actually know the Scots word "wheesht"?

Perhaps after they've looked that up they could check the definition of "irony".

Nail on the head!

OhBuggerandArse · 19/08/2025 22:24

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 22:11

https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2025/08/the-national-library-of-scotland-when-curation-becomes-censorship/

In which Index for Censorship suggests that just maybe perhaps censoring a book wasn't the absolute best course of action for a National Library. Even if it's a horrible book that will make people sad.

That is a weaselly take on what happened.

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