Prolapse OP denied whilst men are given plastic surgery for a mental illness

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I’m 50. My bladder is hanging at my vaginal entrance. I can barely function. And I’m told my symptoms of extreme discomfort, Bach ache, bag ache, tingling, urinary incontinence, urgency, and no relief from needing the loo cant possibly be to do with the entire entrance of my vagina being blocked by a bulge frok my bladder. I can’t work, I can’t reliably walk my dog, I can’t even spend an hour cleaning without paying the price. Meanwhile mentally ill men are having HRT, and bottom surgery because they ‘feel’ uncomfortable.

Im fucking raging.

Thanks for the advice.

it’s not about other surgical procedures impacting on Gynecology. The whole point is women’s lives are being ruined for actial debilitating gynaecological issues, women’s lives are being ruined whilst they're ignored told to pop pills and learn to live with it - with actial real physical conditions causing physical and mental health ll health whilst men who insist they have a feeling in their heads are receiving surgery that isn’t medically needed.

Are you also angry at women who have had boob jobs on the NHS? Or have had ugly moles removed for cosmetic reasons. Both are not needed medically.

Can you change your GP? If not I’d be tempted to contact them daily until they give you the pessary, refer you etc. YANBU

My GP is not the problem. They have written on my behalf for a second opinion as they disagree with the consultant.

And then people wonder too why the birth rate is dropping! I hope it dwindles to hell. I hate how women's health issues are treated. I am still hoping for the best for you OP!

No answer then? This thread shouldnt actually be on the feminism board, it's just you hate men, that's not feminism.

At the risk of being even more controversial I think the money being spent keeping the extremely elderly alive in tortuous conditions is a scandal and something we need to have a really serious conversation about. NOBODY benefits from this and this treatment will never happen to me. Example, an elderly woman I knew in late 80s/90s had advancing dementia plus multiple other painful health conditions, spend her last five/six years in a care home. The last three of these she spent screaming in terror because of the dementia and pain because of the physical health conditions. She was right at the top of the queue for vaccine going and only had to sniff and the doctor was straight round with antibiotics for her because she could die from the slightest illness. Awful treatment to extend the painful dying process for absolutely as long as possible. Meanwhile people like the OP are having lives ruined when prompt treatment could get her right back to full form.
At least with trans surgery one person thinks they're benefiting.

The issue is here that you are recieving inadequate medical care and need a second option. It has nothing to do with other people having surgery, you aren't even on a waiting list currently.
Totally understand why you are angry but your focus should be on getting a second opinion so you can get treated appropriately, there's no trans folk blocking your access to this service.

I never said men were blocking access - o said women are dismissed for actial real problems whilst men with feeling in their heads receive treatment.

And expressing my anger at that isn’t slowing down the second opinion request or blocking my now near 3 month wait for even an acknowledgment from physio.,

I couldn't agree more. We treat animals better.

The shockingly poor funding of women’s reproductive health services is a feminist issue.

Hello OP my mum had a prolapsed womb that negatively affected much of her life. She had several ops but eventually was told there was nothing more that could be done.
She was prescribed amitryptiline which she refused to take for a while because it was listed as an antidepressant and as she said she wasn’t depressed but in pain. She did go on to take it and it gave her significant relief for several years. There are side effects however.

Based on her experience I fought for a c section when having my only child.

I’m sorry you’re having to live like this and your anger is justified. People get uncomfortable when women are angry but we should all be furious at this sub par treatment.

That’s awful. Part of this is the government “cleansing wait lists” and their “community health care” is double speak for

• take as many off the wait lists as possible by rejecting them
• tell GPs they can’t refer a patient to a wait list until they have sent the patient through many flaming hoops of “community health care” - in your case physio- no matter how bad they think the patient really needs a consultant (cancer is only exception)

(I call it cleansing wait lists as I am currently on a wait list for ophthalmology. I have a medication that can cause retinopathy and the NICE guidelines say I need a hospital opthamology appt within 3 months of starting it and annual monitoring. I have been taking this medication for 15months and have yet to be seen once. Every time I get to top and get an appointment, the clinic later cancels it. This has been done 3x. Last week I got a message asking me if I still needed to be seen and to justify why I should stay on the wait lists. The message they sent me literally said “we are currently cleansing our wait list”..)

The thing is my optometrist can’t do the checks that need to be done….so I am out of options unless I pay for private…which I can’t afford.

You have gotten good advice on what to do I agree it is a travesty although I would not blame trans women for this as currently it takes 3yrs to get on a wait list for surgery and the lists are currently at least 7yrs long. So while it is infuriating that they are doing these surgeries while you are stuck waiting, your wait probably won’t be as long as those going into surgery have waited. You are a higher priority than trans surgery even if it doesn’t feel like it.

The lack of healthcare is directly caused by successive incompetent governments not properly resourcing the NHS and the current government is making it worse in a way to make the numbers look like it is getting better, barring people from waiting lists or kicking them off to then say we have gotten the wait list down by tens of thousands to imply they are improving health care is outrageously deceptive.

You have every right to be angry at this. We should all be angry as while it may not be us now, we could need healthcare at any point and as women not be taken seriously.

I have no idea how you can remedy this I’m afraid as navigating the NHS isn’t something I’m expert in. But I share your sheer rage at the unfairness, inequality, and inadequacy of what you’ve experienced.

The shockingly poor funding is sadly across the board and affecting everyone.

I’m not sure the evidence exists for this disproportionately affecting women, although it should be investigated and I would not be at all surprised if you were correct.

Again, this isn’t the fault of transwomen. By blaming them instead of the governments that ruined our NHS you’re falling for the divide and conquer by giving angry people a scapegoat tactic used by politicians. Another example of this tactic is the discourse on immigrants to blame just about all the ills of society on them when literally it’s always been politicians voting for what benefits their wallets instead of for what benefits all residents of the UK.

Yes that is but not your other views.

Really she spent 3yrs “screaming in terror” nonstop? Or perhaps on the few occasions you visited her she was screaming in terror at you?

You have no idea of how her quality of life felt to HER and have no right to decide to condemn to death by execution a person merely due to age or health conditions. We won’t even condemn to death a serial killer or mass murdering terrorist, and you think old people in care homes should be quietly executed. Your opinion is not only controversial, it is dehumanising and abhorrent.

No problem, just wanted to make sure you have the tools to help.

Realistically whilst these men (and women) who are taking up other services, we have to remember it’s not their fault they are using the resources. It’s the NHS who underfund the services you require in comparison.

Petition the NHS, not the individuals who are seeking support from a service you don’t require. I have my opinions on the procedures you talk about, but I can’t hate the people if that makes sense.

It is so difficult for women whose boobs are causing them health problems to get surgery that I've suggested to some that they claim to be trans.

The NHS can not afford to waste money, it should be using evidence based medicine. There is not a sound evidence base for puberty blockers, cross sex hormones or trans surgery.

I knew we'd get replies like this. This is why discussion around this is nearly impossible because people scream 'murderer' for questioning if its in a person's best interests to extend an extremely poor and painful quality of life for as long as absolutely possible.

And they have the nerve to act like they're the ones on the moral high ground.

You were not questioning. You were advocating that ‘we’ be able to decide when another persons quality of life is poor or painful enough in ‘our opinion’ that ‘we’ should then withhold medical care like antibiotics (which would objectively increase pain and suffering) or even just straight up kill them.

You made no mention of consent of the persons you think ‘we’ should have the right to withhold medical care from or even to wheel off for a lethal injection.

Finally, your very first reason out the gate was not concern for people suffering but about money, money, money. “I think the money being spent keeping the extremely elderly alive…is a scandal”…

Your ‘moral high ground’ is on the other side of the Styx along with everyone else who puts money before human life.

This should be a priority. Women's health is not taken seriously enough IMO.
I'm livid for you too.
I also have a prolapse but it is treated by way of a ring pessary.

OP - I saw a woman’s health physio who fitted a pessary for me, appointment was £60. That was about 5 years ago. The replacement pessarys are around £3.50 each. I’d recommend giving that a go. I didn’t bother with the NHS. Its been an absolute game changer for me

You need a second opinion, if they say it's only grade 1 there's no way they will operate. I'm surprised you got as far as seeing a consultant if that were correct, someone in the chain must have thought it was much worse than a grade 1. I would go private to get it re-checked if at all possible, life's too short to live with these things.

I had a grade 4 prolapse which my GP recommended for the op, it had to be OK'd by the surgery gynae lead, then passed to the local hospital, was re-assessed by them and then I was on an 18 month waiting list. I did get a cancellation so it came through in more like three months fortunately. Lots of hoops to jump through even if they agree it's bad.