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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Graham Linehan on Joe Rogan why he left the UK

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rriffraff · 07/08/2025 16:16

Graham Linehan talking on Joe Rogan about the UK trans movement - most of it I have heard him talking about before but when he talked about moving to the USA, Joe asked him (with regard to so many people being jailed for facebook posts etc.)
'Do you think that people are going to bail out of the UK and leave it a mental institution?'
Graham replied:
'The last few months I was in the UK I felt so paranoid and afraid because I thought I barely exist as a person there, I exist only to get sued and for the police to visit me'.
He is being sued again currently and has to return to the UK to face trial.

It is a terrible sign of the state of the country that people like Graham can't stay here and the state helps to harrass him and others via the police and the courts.

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TheKeatingFive · 08/08/2025 21:13

If the loos are no big deal at all, why can't the 'transwomen' obey the law and use their appropriate sex facilities like everybody else?

Catiette · 08/08/2025 21:36

Erin, you seem to be dodging the difficult questions here. If you really want to convince people to think as you do (as opposed to just strengthening their conviction that they're right and you're missing something), address the substance of what they're saying. Here are some responses to your claims. Pick a number, any number, and have at it! I may not be able to come back - I've already spent 15 minutes on this - but I'm sure others will respond.

1) "There are a lot of very casual accusations of inappropriate behaviour, so how true it is really depends on the individual case.... I don't see what that does to do with sex." See my statistics above explaining precisely what it has to do with sex, namely that men perpetrate 98% of sexual offences (and have up to 150% greater power with which to do so). I mean, 98%, Erin - 98%! You don't get much closer to an absolute than that in human behaviour. Did you miss this post?

2) "Men who are uncomfortable around gay men should have the right to kick them out of places too." Please tell me that you're not suggesting that gay men are 98% more likely than straight men to commit acts of sexual violence? That's an outdated, homophobic trope, but would be the only logical explanation for this analogy, given the stats above...?

3) "Trans people have been using the restrooms they wanted for decades." Exactly! Again with reference to the stats above, it's appalling that women were never consulted.

4) "Why was none of this being given any attention until recent years?" Previously, access was limited to a minority of old-school "transexuals", with the social contract (common understanding) clearly acknowledging that this excluded transvestites and "male-presenting" men. Now, in contrast, the exponential expansion of "trans-" because of self-ID, and efforts by individuals such as yourself to encode this in policy, law and the social contract has made it an exponentially greater issue. The real tragedy is that your campaign has negatively impacted on those old-school transsexuals, too.

5) "And if someone is behaving particularly anti socially, then they should be removed." Who by? The women there? Above, you argue that "You can't safeguard an open door" - in other words, you say that the previous social contract (which meant that any male walking through the female toilet door would be highly likely to be challenged by witnesses, including other males, outside it) is useless. Yet despite this, you appear to think that an intimidating or abusive male can simply be challenged/removed after he's begun to behave as such, by the few random women trapped inside with him?

6) "Do you want people who look like men to use the women's restroom?" A lot of us are pretty much OK with trans men using them, as most are recognisable as such (as you say, "look like men") and the stats show they're not a risk to us or our children, yes.

7) "You can't safeguard an open door" Cf. pubs with age-restricted entry, school buildings without security, the cushy head office at any company etc. People don't enter randomly, and no security is needed. How is "you can't stop them, though!" an argument for doing away with the common understanding that pre-teens / strangers / the basement minions of the business can't enter those spaces?! Society works because of "the social contract".

8) "That doesn't mean it's wrong or that everyone else needs to cater to it." You've got this the wrong way round. Common sense shows that if 1) single-sex and mixed sex are provided, everyone's happy. Whereas if only 2) mixed sex is provided, some women are excluded. Why do you argue for 2) and not 1), as we do. Our argument, 1), removes the "everyone needs" situation that concerns you so much.

9) "Public toilets aren't safe spaces. What we want doesn't mean they should be human rights issues." Woah. Are you actually arguing against the various campaigns for single sex loos in the developing world?https://borgenproject.org/connections-between-bathrooms-and-girls-education-in-africa/

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 08/08/2025 21:51

From the Reddit sub where this thread has been posted:

“I think you’ve brought the Mumsnet crowd into our sub, considering that they’re now quoting our Reddit comments on there. Not a great move, even if you mean well. I understand why, but I think you’ve put us in further danger.”

What fucking danger?! A bunch of women typing things you don’t like?

It’s like they’re cosplaying victimhood. Trying on the fear for size and doing a little twirl in the mirror of the ladies’ loo

You have no fucking idea about danger if you honestly think you’re in ANY danger from someone on here disagreeing with you. Grow up.

Catiette · 08/08/2025 21:54

A quotation from the link above:

The majority of sexual assault and rape incidents happen in school bathrooms because there is only one facility for all students with very little to no privacy. So along with embarrassment regarding using the restroom and changing their sanitary pads in front of male students, they feel incredibly unsafe walking into the bathroom. When girls do not have to worry about their hygiene and safety at school, they will be more likely to continue attending. Creating a safe environment is key to ensuring girls attend and stay in school. This can help break the cycle of gender disparity in education.

Do you disagree with this? On what basis?

If you agree, are you therefore saying that things are different in eg. the US / UK?

If that's what you think, then, logically, it leads to some very uncomfortable questions indeed. For example: are you suggesting that western civilisation means such attacks are less likely? that we're somehow "more civilised", and as such can afford to dispense with the need for single-sex loos in a way that other less developed nations can't yet manage?

Btw, I'm not being facetious - these really are the impressions your arguments create for many readers here: echos of homophobia (2, above), an unthinking disregard for proportionately more vulnerable demographic of fully transitioned transexuals in favour of relatively arbitrary identity politics (4, above), and a sense of innate cultural superiority (9, above). I don't mean to suggest you actually feel or believe any of these things, but without addressing such counter-arguments as mine and many others' above, in full, it's somewhat hard to understand where you're coming from.

How can toilets promote education? | Global Partnership for Education

Over half of primary schools in developing countries don't have access to water and sanitation facilities. Today for World Toilet Day, we explore how increased access to education is closely linked with the availability of decent toilets.

https://www.globalpartnership.org/blog/how-can-toilets-promote-education

NeverOneBiscuit · 08/08/2025 22:22

I watched the podcast yesterday, definitely recommend it. Graham, despite the shitstorm he’s been dragged through, remains an incredible man. Lovely to also hear him talking about the films & books he loves, along with so many funny anecdotes & stories.

Joe Rogan’s pretty well informed on the insanity of trans ideology, but hearing Graham recount to him the events of the last 8 years reminds you what a brave & principled man he is.

NeverOneBiscuit · 08/08/2025 22:29

@SnowflakeSmasher86

I saw that comment about them feeling in danger from the naughty MN women saying things they disagree with.

I mean we are pretty terrifying. In breaks on the SP thread there were detailed discussions about jam, preserves & soup making, along with favourite books, particularly Terry Pratchet. Lots of laughs, camaraderie & self effacement. No wonder we threaten the men in dresses.

LaLoba · 08/08/2025 23:05

Erin1207 · 08/08/2025 19:03

"Behaviour of men" is weasel words. Like what? Sexual harassment? Bullying? There are a lot of very casual accusations of inappropriate behaviour, so how true it is really depends on the individual case. And if someone is behaving particularly anti socially, then they should be removed. I don't see what that does to do with sex.

The MRA rage is strong with this one.

Abhannmor · 09/08/2025 08:16

Thanks @NeverOneBiscuit . I loved his book Tough Crowd. The first half was great fun - his life before cancellation of course. It was also full of great advice about writing for TV. Fascinating on the genesis of Fr. Ted and their failed sitcom that preceded it.

The second part was sadder , of course. I think he should write another book. A childhood memoir. And or a deeper look at TV and radio comedy.

User32459 · 09/08/2025 08:24

Absolute hero. History will recognise him as a man who ultimately sacrificed his own life in pushback against the liberal madness that has consumed our society.

AzurePanda · 09/08/2025 08:30

I really enjoyed this. Although I’m not interested in the majority of his guests when I do listen I find Joe Rogan to be a great interviewer. Very relaxed and natural, happy to let people speak and not afraid to ask a “dumb” question. Linehan came across very well.

WorriedMutha · 09/08/2025 08:37

I love the way we get 'why are GC women always wanging on about toilets' until we get our way on toilets and then it's them wanging on about toilets as the source of their life giving public affirmation of their courage and beauty. Which isn't wanging on at all no no no.

BettyFilous · 09/08/2025 08:38

Erin1207 · 08/08/2025 19:50

Enjoy your 3 hours of bollocks by a guy who thinks disabled people shouldn't have bodily autonomy and thinks you should assault anyone who might be male for entering the 'wrong' room.

You don’t think women should have bodily autonomy, which puts you on exactly the same level as Rogan. I don’t know why you think you’re in any way a more moral person than Rogan.

I listened to more of the interview last night. It’s good Rogan is introducing Graham to a new audience. More people need to understand what cancellation does to a person, and the risks to everyone when society heads in this direction.

borntobequiet · 09/08/2025 09:15

Erin1207 · 07/08/2025 20:19

I don't really care about sports one way or the other. If a sports division decides to have it single sex, then that's fine, but it doesn't really seem to be about fairness. There was outrage and complaints about a trans woman/man being in a female chess tournament. Chess isn't a body endurance sport. So fairness wasn't the issue there.
For public restrooms and locker rooms, no I don't believe they are 'rights' issues for anyone, male or female, trans or not. Public restrooms are not safe spaces, and both men and women have used each other's restrooms for one reason or another for years, whether it's to skip a queue or whatever. Sexless locker rooms, toilets, nude beaches etc. Those all exist already and have throughout history. So there's nothing inherently wrong with it. Feeling uncomfortable with it isn't really a valid reason to make it a human rights issue, because people are uncomfortable with lots of things, and they aren't pandered to about it.

Women are under represented in chess for both societal and sex-related differences and it’s entirely proportionate for there to be a separate class for them.
The fact that some women are comfortable sharing spaces with men doesn’t mean that all are. In fact, many women are expressly forbidden from being in spaces with men unchaperoned, even when fully and modestly dressed.
Men are responsible for the overwhelming majority of violent and sexual crime. Trans-identifying men are no different from other men in their offending patterns. Women are more than uncomfortable: they feel actively threatened. About 60% of women killed by men in the UK (between 100 and 200 per year) have been killed by a current or former partner: this means that about 40%, a sizeable minority, are killed by other men.
And you don’t understand why women should be entitled to safe, single sex spaces.

hamstersarse · 09/08/2025 15:46

I often wonder what the ex friends will do in these circumstances when ‘they realise’

He was so betrayed by a lot of people, and I’m so curious as to how they will behave when this trans insanity is over.

Abhannmor · 09/08/2025 16:31

They'll rationalise it @hamstersarse . They always supported the GC cause but they were more diplomatic etc. Glinner was a poor campaigner who hung out with the wrong sort. And so forth. I expect it's already happening.

illinivich · 09/08/2025 17:25

I suppose they are protected by the crowd. Everyone around them is in the same position, so they can just stop talking about it. And conveniently forget why they dont talk to him, pretend they just lost touch.

Lots of these people forgot they were 'transphobic' before 2015 for ten years, and wil soon forget they ever supported child transitioning the same way.

Ceoofsnacks · 09/08/2025 18:16

💯 they just want to piss ... oh yeah right but if I you can't go in the women's loo life isn't worth living... hmmm fetish exposed

WimbledonWhites · 10/08/2025 14:18

I’ve not listened to Joe Rogan before but I’m enjoying it. The only criticism I have is Graham can really go off on a tangent and references so many things that I imagine it can be a bit hard to follow for the uninitiated.

Mollyollydolly · 10/08/2025 14:40

I thought the Glinner interview was very good, the rambling style actually suits Glinner. I haven't watched Rogan for ages though and remembered why when watching this. When he started talking about covid and the Middle East he sounded absolutely batshit. Has he been radicalised by some of his more extreme guests? Anyway I thought Glinner did great.

BezMills · 10/08/2025 15:59

Mollyollydolly · 10/08/2025 14:40

I thought the Glinner interview was very good, the rambling style actually suits Glinner. I haven't watched Rogan for ages though and remembered why when watching this. When he started talking about covid and the Middle East he sounded absolutely batshit. Has he been radicalised by some of his more extreme guests? Anyway I thought Glinner did great.

I get the impression he went a bit ahem due to the conspiracy theories in the covid crisis. He's far from alone there. One of my good friends went the same way.

AzurePanda · 10/08/2025 18:54

But surely Rogan has been pretty much proved right when it comes to Covid?

Toseland · 11/08/2025 11:38

Erin1207 · 07/08/2025 19:58

What rights? Not everyone agrees with what a right should even be. Also, Graham said that it's okay to assault any perceived man who is in the women's restroom. Why is it okay to assault someone if they aren't actually attacking or harassing anyone? He was also extremely hysterical and condescending about the bodily autonomy of a disabled woman who got trans surgery. As if disabled people can't make their own informed choices.

If a man is in the ladies loos or changing rooms he is harassing women.

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/08/2025 12:56

Erin1207 · 08/08/2025 19:07

Restrooms aren't safe spaces, in any capacity. What's wrong with men and women being in he same room? If a man does something inappropriate, then that's on him as an individual. A man harassing other men in the mens room is illegal too. So behaviour is the problem, not....being in the same room as other people.

Toilets, not restrooms.

We have developed single sex facilities for very good reasons. Those reasons still exist. Such facilities are predicated on the body, especially the sexed body; on the differences in biology and biological function between males and females.

Females are generally more vulnerable when in a state of undress ( and certainly in public spaces ), or when preoccupied with their bodily functions. Male sexual function and drive is really quite different to femalefunction and drive. For example males have a greater tendency to illicit sexual habits and behaviours...such as voyeurism; self exposure; fetishes of various kinds. Many men who claim trans identities have sexual motives for adopting these identities. For example, autogynephelia.

Female only spaces are a safeguarding measure which create a level of protection for women and girls in situations in which the privacy and dignity of their sex is heightened.

If you are female then you would surely know and understand all of that?

Charabanc · 11/08/2025 18:35

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/08/2025 12:56

Toilets, not restrooms.

We have developed single sex facilities for very good reasons. Those reasons still exist. Such facilities are predicated on the body, especially the sexed body; on the differences in biology and biological function between males and females.

Females are generally more vulnerable when in a state of undress ( and certainly in public spaces ), or when preoccupied with their bodily functions. Male sexual function and drive is really quite different to femalefunction and drive. For example males have a greater tendency to illicit sexual habits and behaviours...such as voyeurism; self exposure; fetishes of various kinds. Many men who claim trans identities have sexual motives for adopting these identities. For example, autogynephelia.

Female only spaces are a safeguarding measure which create a level of protection for women and girls in situations in which the privacy and dignity of their sex is heightened.

If you are female then you would surely know and understand all of that?

@Erin1207 is not female. HTH.

forgotmyusername1 · 11/08/2025 18:44

Erin1207 · 07/08/2025 20:19

I don't really care about sports one way or the other. If a sports division decides to have it single sex, then that's fine, but it doesn't really seem to be about fairness. There was outrage and complaints about a trans woman/man being in a female chess tournament. Chess isn't a body endurance sport. So fairness wasn't the issue there.
For public restrooms and locker rooms, no I don't believe they are 'rights' issues for anyone, male or female, trans or not. Public restrooms are not safe spaces, and both men and women have used each other's restrooms for one reason or another for years, whether it's to skip a queue or whatever. Sexless locker rooms, toilets, nude beaches etc. Those all exist already and have throughout history. So there's nothing inherently wrong with it. Feeling uncomfortable with it isn't really a valid reason to make it a human rights issue, because people are uncomfortable with lots of things, and they aren't pandered to about it.

So you agree that males feeling uncomfortable in the men's changing room shouldn't be pandered to. Glad we got that cleared up

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