European Convention on Human Rights

[JellySaurus]

ARTICLE 8 the right to respect for private and family life, and Article 12 the right to marry, are used as to justify the requirement for the UK government to legally recognise people as the opposite sex. (Redundant, now that same-sex marriage is legal.)

8.1 Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.

But why is 8.2, which is not mentioned in Article 12 but appears in similar form in many other Articles, not used as an argument for removing the GRA from our law?

8.2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Enabling men to access female single-sex spaces has resulted in crimes: women and girls being assaulted and raped. Medical transition causes long-term ill-health. Telling children that they may not be the sex they are, or that they have to pretend that somebody is not the sex they are, is immoral as it subverts safeguarding. Multiple court cases have demonstrated that transgenderism illegally restricts the rights and freedoms of others.

Isn’t it time to recognise this?

You think that you are biologically altered because you take drugs and you think you can change sex.

So I have my doubts.

'Lopping off your penis' is likely to cause massive health problems. You seem foolish at best, but please don't do this. I find it hard to believe that it will bring you any happiness, certainly over the course of a whole lifetime.

ETA: grammar.

Or to piss on the seat.
Or to masturbate on it.
Or to parade round showing his underwear.
Or to wash his penis in the sink, in front of actual women.
Or to rig a camera to watch women.
Or to shove his phone camera under the door / over the door, when a woman, or girl is in the cubicle.
To try to rape 11 or 12 year old girls in Morrisons.

All documented events.

Just have a quick wazz, you say?

At least the dilating the neovagina case was in the disabled.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4900439-dilation-day-two?page=1

Strangely a third space was acceptable for this purpose.

This man has totally derailed the thread and made it all about him.

Don’t they always.

Always.

It's always fully enlightening.

They always try and test the point that it's anti-trans to balance rights and for women to have rights.

If they want to believe in gender that's fine. But it isn't sex and it shouldn't affect my sex based rights that they need by default to have their own rights around gender reassignment.

It's fascinating that women's rights are completely aligned with transrights and there is no conflict as long as women don't object, because they are not allowed to object.

It's amazing that privacy is totally within a bathroom stall, except when that stall is in their correct biological sex. Privacy from penises isn't a woman's right because some men might be in the process of having theirs surgically removed and a cavity inserted for purposes (oh that's a whole different thread isn't it?)

Evil gender critical women are to blame for the law having to be coherent and ensuring transwomen are identifiable in law.

Drugs change your biology, so im guessing that if you are vaccinated with a vaccine developed from chickens you turn into a chicken.

Transwomen are never a threat to women because there's evidence. We can't refer to this evidence but it definitely exists and it's more legit that the evidence that shows male offending rates are retained post transition. And we should definitely trust a transwoman who tries to lie about his sex and uses the word stealthing.

Obviously we shouldn't scoff at the persecution complex at being 'banned' from the women's, cos there's a perfectly unacceptable third space available. Third spaces, shared with both men and women are segregation and can not be tolerated. Except of course, when dilating. How very dare women think of us as 'ugh' male? (Sighs like a stroppy teen)

Nope we must be the centre of the entire universe because we are special.

True, but I've found it useful because it has been an unusually sustained series of posts showing a lack of knowledge and awareness about the law, history, physiology, being a woman, and so on.

And the belief that the 'broken record' technique works on reality - if he keeps saying he is a woman over and over and over, Reality will eventually get tired and give in and say 'Oh all right then, you ARE a woman!'

So I think it's been an interesting derail, very revealing of the flight from reality at the centre of trans beliefs.

Precisely. There's a bullshit answer for everything. Which crumbles and circles back to the initial gibberish when challenged.

It needs showing up.

Transwomen are never a threat to women because there's evidence. We can't refer to this evidence but it definitely exists and it's more legit that the evidence that shows male offending rates are retained post transition.

My understanding was that transwomen are massively over-represented in the population of incarcerated male sexual offenders, relative to their statistical frequency. I didn't think that this was controversial.

…My body has changed sufficiently enough that i am closer to being female than male….

No, you’ll never reach your goal of being female, you’ll always and forever be just a male that has altered his body to appear more feminine.

If you have been foolish enough to make your appearance distressing to other men (and I can assure you that many men would cope just fine, but some men would undoubtedly be embarrassed) then you should really be prepared to accept the consequences. Because you have not altered your sex (and will never be able to do so), you are not entitled to enter women's spaces. Because you have altered your appearance drastically, you are concerned about how men will see you.

So third spaces, single toilet rooms or changing cubicles open to men and to women, are the best places for you to go. You should be campaigning for there to be sufficient provision of such spaces. Where such spaces are not provided, you do have the option of using men's toilets, which strangely enough do have single use cubicles in them. It's a shame that single occupancy changing spaces are rare, but your disappointment that there is no suitable place for you to change in many gyms, swimming pools, and sporting facilities, is something you should have come to terms with before having medical and surgical treatments that alter your body drastically. If you didn't realise what you were letting yourself in for, both you and the medical profession are responsible for that.

I'm sorry that I sound so unsympathetic. It must be very difficult to deal with dysphoria and a strong desire to escape ones sex and adopt the appearance of the other. However, actions, such as taking cross sex hormones and agreeing to extreme body modification, have consequences. And it is not reasonable to expect the whole world to rearrange itself to ease the downsides for you.

I don't need third spaces. I'll just use the women's where I belong.

I, a man without a trans identity, have also been sexually abused. I have the same fear of being sexually abused as women too, though that fear has both abated with distance in time, and increased with increasing vulnerability due to disability and loss of strength as I age. It is not possible for me to entirely escape my vulnerability. If I live to very old age, I will be vulnerable in any care situation. This is part of the human condition - there are people who may wish us harm.

All I can do is live my life as well as I am able, and try to avoid causing harm and fear to others. So I cross the road rather than catch up with a woman, and I don't leap out from behind a bush in order to scare a child, and I keep out of women's spaces. This is not something to boast about - it is just an average person trying not to be an arse.

There is a huge difference in the fear women have, and the fear men have. You, a man, wouldn't understand.

By the same token you cannot understand either, because you too are a man.

You may have fears like those of a vulnerable man - a small man, a disabled man, an elderly man.

But not the fears a woman has.

You're not a woman. You don't understand the fear a woman has.

You may have your own fear.

But not feeling like a man does not mean you are therefore a woman. It doesn't work like that. Cos you can't change sex and sex isn't gender. Even if you repeat it 6 million times.

You do not belong with women in women's only spaces. We will never see you as a female because you are a male.

You are an invader. Whether you admit it or want to prevent us from spelling it out.

I don't need third spaces. I'll just use the women's where I belong.

Single sex spaces are legally allowed because of the EqA. But for the purposes of the EqA a male is not a woman.

SC clarified that trans identifying men do not belong in female only spaces.

I dont think you understand that you claiming to be a women doesnt alter that fact.

I recommend you read the SC ruling, and then if necessary re-read it until you understand it. It is very clear.

I'm not a man.

I have read it, what needs to happen now is parliament needs to change the law to override it.

The women in my life see me as a woman soooo I'm gonna trust them over obsessed weirdos on the internet as I actually value their opinions lol

Do you have female chromosomes then?

Trust the adults on this; the SC ruling is not going to be struck down (by who?), or anything like that. What it has done, as been said many times, is clarified what the law always was. No laws have been changed, and existing protections under the law continue.