Woman granted refugee status after facing prison for misgendering

[ArabellaScott]

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-brazilian-woman-granted-refugee-status-in-europe-after-facing-25-year-sentence-for-misgendering-trans-politician/

'In a precedent-setting move, a European country has officially granted full refugee protections to a Brazilian women’s rights activist who was facing 25 years in prison in her home country for misgendering a transgender politician. Isabella Cêpa is the first person to be recognized as a victim of state persecution for her outspoken opposition to gender identity ideology.'

I'm sure Amnesty will be in touch in due course.

'Cêpa’s successful refugee bid is the first of its kind, and will set a precedent for other individuals facing legal and social repercussions for their gender-critical beliefs. It can now be used as case of reference by any person in the world facing the same kind of persecution.'

Brazil has really jumped the shark with this.

https://reduxx.info/brazilian-university-workers-facing-up-to-five-years-in-prison-for-social-racism-after-misgendering-transgender-student/

25 year sentence? What the hell?

I want to say more on that but I'm lost for words.

What a fucking over reach of governments, bit like our none hate crime shit over here without such dire consequences.

I am in the middle of reading Doyle, “the end of woke”.

And read “New puritans” before that.

I also listened to An interview with Kathleen Stock about that Blue porn woman.

I have over the last few years shifted my views, i am fully in tune with the concept of liberalism, (not the party), and socially conservative as an ID.

This development is indeed interesting on the concepts free speach, and freedom ofbelief.

It gave me a bit of a jolt, because I think we've relaxed a bit in the past few years. Things have improved here in the UK for women - not so elsewhere.

Imprisonment being considered in Spain too. So far it is huge fine.

If the picture upthread is the misgendered "woman" in question, how is anyone to know that he is not just a man who likes wearing revealing clothing?

This is outrageous, why on earth would misgendering be a crime at all let alone with a prison sentence equivalent to murder? Do any of the countries with these kinds of laws also have the same consequences if you do the same to someone who is not trans? Eg if someone called an actual woman “he”? Because if not they could surely be said to be discriminating and not treating trans people as their “acquired gender’ at all?

I'm curious. Do any of these countries impose similarly huge fines or prison sentences for any other forms of "naughty speech" or is it just The One Special Characteristic?

Edit: Or what @WhatterySquash said more eloquently

Ah yes, Spain. Where self-id is working so well and not being exploited by men AT ALL.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/24/spanish-men-self-id-gender-law-access-female-care-service/&ved=2ahUKEwi5xdqWlPiOAxVgUEEAHZd3OAIQFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1rGs1DmwPG9Wk1BV2Zszf

Sorry for big link, I'm on my phone and don't know how to shorten it.

Wow. I suppose it's a good example of how a delusional conspiracy theory can only be enforced by threats, intimidation and punishment. As everybody knows that only women give birth and that sex can't be changed by drugs and crude surgery, state sanctioned enforcement is all that's left for the zealots.

As the beelievers who rock up on here to share their seething, disordered thinking so often demonstrate, fury, contempt for women and the dismissal of the rights of others seem to foster a level of rage that's quite a sight to behold. Being able to persuade governments to do the bullying for you is a big win for them.

Brazil, that bastion of human rights, where abortion is banned and a pregnant woman (and her HCPs) can be imprisoned for it. I wonder which is considered the more serious crime, killing an embryo or foetus, or hurting a man's feelings.

Let's compare the penalties applied to women doing these things:

Abortion: 1 - 5 years, or a fine.
Hurty feels: 5 - 25 years, and unemployability.

The punishment is so dis-proportionate. When the fuck did people’s hurt feelings at being identified as their correct sex become a crime to this degree?

It is madness.

You’re right, it’s not just “misgendering” non-trans people that’s not a crime. What about calling someone fat, or old, or short? Whether they are or are not, it would be insanity to make that a crime, never mind one with a huge prison sentence. It may mean you’re insensitive or rude but you can’t make it a crime to be anything other than kind/controlled by other people’s demands at all times.

While I find this horrifying, part of me also thinks/hope that totally preposterous scenes like this are part of the process of genderism reaching its ultimate totally ludicrous grotesqueness, and that that’s a sign of its imminent collapse, because you can’t sustain departing from reality to this extent for long. For one thing it will clog up the courts and prisons, if butthurt TW can punish women this way, and the public will oppose it.

Yes, Brazil and some other countries are insane. The point Anna Slatz made was that this may be the first 'gender critical' refugee, and how that might impact on global discussions. Reem Alsalem has done good work on behalf of the UN, here. Women are being persecuted for feminism, that's undeniable. Yet it has been denied, and continues to be denied. Even in the UK.

We've made huge progress in the UK in protecting women's rights to meet and talk about issues pertaining to our sex. But the social awareness and acknowledgement of the wrongs that have been done is not much there yet.

People in polite society pretend that the women who've lost jobs, been harassed, attacked, hounded, threatened, beaten for being feminists were just difficult, horrible, nasty women. Politicians and most people now agree that women deserve rights, and yes, single sex spaces are sensible, and puberty blockers are not okay for children. As if all of these things came about mysteriously by themselves.

Somehow, women's rights have been protected despite these women being so awful, rather than because of their hard work, sacrifices, time, campaigning, letters written, conversations, secret meetings, organising and courage. They won't admit to reading Mumsnet, or columns by brave women journalists who left or were booted out of the Right Thinking media, or watching Magdalen Berns' youtube videos. They may reluctantly and quietly share the views of all these horrible nasty bitches and harpies, and think that somehow the sensible Supreme Court has got it right and made the correct decision, even with all those annoying women daring to smile and laugh and make toasts because the judges accidentally agreed with them. They won't openly support them, and think they can forget what was done to them.

They turn a blind eye to those in power who have supported, enabled, and in some cases participated in this abuse and oppression. They think they can continue now that everyone's happy, discreetly throw those difficult women under the bus, and move on while still waving their fucking emoticon flags and pretending the war was won without cost.

Sturgeon, I'm looking at you.

Edinburgh Book Festival, I'm looking at you.

Women's rights are human rights. This isn't over yet.

An asylum claim I would support 100%

This is absolutely terrifying.
Deny what everyone knows to be true or you lose your liberty.

Orwellian.

Yep. That's the whole point.

Well, a crime to any degree at all, or even a ‘hate incident’.

This is both astonishing (in the level of punishment) and positive in that a country, somewhere in Europe does not consider a prison sentence for correctly sexing a man is appropriate.

Obviously the detail about which country is being kept private, but whichever it is, thank goodness there is one.

Now that we've received Isabella Cêpa over on this side, could we enable one of the prominent trans activists who is facing unbearable oppression following the SC judgment to move over to Brazil?

Those news stories are an absolute horror show!

It's a shame they are not so bothered about women's rights and protecting the rights of indigenous people.

Worse than that: they've tacked it on to racism laws, for whatever reason or agenda they believed that to be sensible.

Now, if you hurl vile, nasty racist abuse at somebody and threaten them with (or actually perpetrate) violence for nothing more than being of a different racial heritage from you - that is no worse than respectfully and calmly asking a man who hasn't even bothered to shave off his beard and moustache in his attempt to 'pass' as a woman to use the correct toilets for his sex.

Latino countries are often left off the hook for their abhorrent abortion policies because all the attention is focussed on the US or other places where considered rightwing like Poland. It is a politically tribal culture war rather than genuine concern for women that informs the abortion talk. I switch off when I hear of abortions rights being restricted in the US or UK, sorry I care more about abortion rights in the Philippines. Western feminists have a distorted and unreal perspective of the global abortion issue. They tend to follow their tribal leaders. Abortion rights in Brazil are ignored when darling Lola is in charge but suddenly a burning issue when a right wing devil comes to power.

Is racist abuse - hurty words, not bodily assault or murder- worth 25 years in the slammer? If you say yes, you are part of the problem.